General/Particular Judgment

[Jerok]

Sorry if this is the wrong forum

I’m confused with the general and particular judgments. I understand when we die we are immediately judged and our soul is sent to heaven, hell, or purgatory.

Then in the general judgment our soul is united to the body. Are we judged again but this time publicly? I’m confused as to why we would need to be judged again, if that’s what actually happens.

Also, when we are united body and soul and the general judgment occurs,is there still a purgatory? Are we sent to either heaven or hell, or do some still need to spend some ‘time’ in purgatory?

Thanks!

 

[Texas_Roofer]

My understanding is particular is the critical judgement. In the general judgement I think maybe everybody is there all people all time but at that judgement your faith has already been sealed. And I am pretty sure purgatory is over when general judgement occurs as is earth. From general judgement it is heaven or hell.

 

[Jerok]

Okay so what about people still alive at the time of general judgment? They all go directly to heaven or hell? Wouldn’t some of them need purgatory, and most those who are in purgatory need more time there? Or will they become completely holy without any suffering in purgatory? That doesn’t seem as fair

 

[zach_dunn]

I think reading completely through paragraphs 1020 — 1050 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church should answer your questions. If they don’t, let us know!

 

[Texas_Roofer]

Okay so what about people still alive at the time of general judgment? They all go directly to heaven or hell?

yes

Wouldn’t some of them need purgatory, and most those who are in purgatory need more time there? Or will they become completely holy without any suffering in purgatory?

They suffer on earth, the bible seems to tell they have a rough go of it

That doesn’t seem as fair

? wages for the vineyard?

 

[Shin]

‘THERE is a twofold retribution for the things that a man has done in life, one for his soul immediately upon its separation from the body, another at the resurrection of the body. The first retribution is to individuals severally, as individuals severally die: the second is to all men together, as all men shall rise together. Therefore there must be a twofold judgement: one of individuals, regarding the soul; another a general judgement, rendering to all men their due in soul and body. And because Christ in His Humanity, wherein He suffered and rose again, has merited for us resurrection and life everlasting, it belongs to Him to exercise that judgement whereby risen men are rewarded or punished, for so it is said of Him: He hath given him authority to exercise judgement, because he is the Son of Man (John v, 27). And further, since in the last judgement there will be question of the reward or punishment of persons present in visible bodily shape, it is fitting for that judgement to be a visible process. Hence Christ will take His seat as judge in human shape, so that all can see Him, good and bad. But the vision of His Godhead, which makes men blessed, will be visible only to the good. As for the judgement of souls, that is an invisible process, dealing with invisible beings.’

St. Thomas Aquinas

Yes, what Texas said.

The end times are so horrible partly because purgatory is going to end, from what I have heard. So the penance on earth increases.

 

[brb2]

I’m confused with the general and particular judgments. I understand when we die we are immediately judged and our soul is sent to heaven, hell, or purgatory.

Then in the general judgment our soul is united to the body. Are we judged again but this time publicly? I’m confused as to why we would need to be judged again, if that’s what actually happens.

Also, when we are united body and soul and the general judgment occurs,is there still a purgatory? Are we sent to either heaven or hell, or do some still need to spend some ‘time’ in purgatory?

Hell, ruled by satan … has yet to be openned. He still has his earthly rule here … and the final battle of Armageddon has yet to be fought. Would seem the final / general judgment must wait til the End Times are complete.

Paul teaches absence from the body … is presence with the Lord. Thus, our spirits, if we be IN CHRIST, are keep in a safe place til the final judgment. If we are not Reborn in Christ … our spirits reside elsewhere, til the end judgment.

Some Protestants [from Reformed backgrounds] teach that the Non-Christians ‘cease to exist’ at their death. That death is permanent for them … and their hell is never having another existance. Judged upon their death, and ‘receiving its just wages’ … permanent death ---- Similar to what the Sadduces believed in OT times. But, Christ and disciples clearly taught otherwise.

Rev. 20:10 “and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be TORMENTED DAY AND NIGHT FOR EVER AND EVER.”

 

[NHInsider]

Sorry if this is the wrong forum

I’m confused with the general and particular judgments. I understand when we die we are immediately judged and our soul is sent to heaven, hell, or purgatory.

Then in the general judgment our soul is united to the body. Are we judged again but this time publicly? I’m confused as to why we would need to be judged again, if that’s what actually happens.

Also, when we are united body and soul and the general judgment occurs,is there still a purgatory? Are we sent to either heaven or hell, or do some still need to spend some ‘time’ in purgatory?

Thanks!

Last first - purgatory is a process, not a “place” per se, and there is no “time” in eternity. We use “time” and “place” terminology because we have no other way to think about/comprehend it. So if purgation is still necessary after the general judgment God will be able to carry it out.

Next, I think particular judgment is about our response to God’s grace (saved or damned, if you will) and general judgment is about our actions and rewards (as in Matthew’s description).

 

[steve_b]

Paul teaches absence from the body … is presence with the Lord. Thus, our spirits, if we be IN CHRIST, are keep in a safe place til the final judgment. If we are not Reborn in Christ … our spirits reside elsewhere, til the end judgment.

Correction: That quote as stated is probably one of the most misquoted.

He would prefer to be absent from the body and present with the Lord.

the misquote by Protestants heard over and over again might come from either mixing 2 quotes (below) and contexts and creating a new pretext we often hear. Or it might have to do with their doctrine of OSAS. Either way in that quote, Paul is NOT stating an absolute, but a wish

Colossians 2:5
For though I am absent from you in body, I am present with you in spirit and delight to see how orderly you are and how firm your faith in Christ is.

2 Corinthians 5:8
We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord.

 

[brb2]

probably one of the most misquoted.

He would prefer to be absent from the body and present with the Lord.

Do we really think Paul would hope for an impossible objective? Paul clearly believed ‘nothing could separate him from the Lord’ … especially death.

 

[steve_b]

Do we really think Paul would hope for an impossible objective? Paul clearly believed ‘nothing could separate him from the Lord’ … especially death.

Rm 8:38-39, Another oft misquoted or misunderstood verse by the OSAS crowd…

“For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the LOVE OF GOD that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.”

Not a single sin is mentioned in those verses. Because sin DOES seperate us from God. Or Paul would contradict himself in many places in his writings. For example

“Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God” (1 Cor. 6:9,10).

Sin seperates us from God. It’s just that sin does not seperate us from the love of God.

 

[brb2]

Rm 8:38-39,

“For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the LOVE OF GOD that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.”

Not a single sin is mentioned in those verses. Because sin DOES seperate us from God. Or Paul would contradict himself in many places in his writings. For example

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Paul is speaking to the Believers … those IN CHRIST, fully confessed of any mortals [sins]. At the time Paul writes this, we know he is being inspired by H.S. … and w/o ‘active’ sins on his conscience. He has total confidence, that when in such a state … not even death or satan can separate one from Christ.

He also explains [elsewhere in scripture] … that if one neglects to remain unstained from the world, remains defiant about such sins, and unconfessed in regards to them ---- that is Apostasy, separating one ‘from Christ’. The Apostate, has no confidence anymore before God … a free-will error he/she has made.

 

[steve_b]

Paul is speaking to the Believers … those IN CHRIST, fully confessed of any mortals [sins]. At the time Paul writes this, we know he is being inspired by H.S. … and w/o ‘active’ sins on his conscience. He has total confidence, that when in such a state … not even death or satan can separate one from Christ.

Paul is speaking to the Church that’s true. He’s warning his listeners that if they did the behavior he describes, they will seperate themselves from God…

Paul would be giving a poisonous message if he said regardless of doing those activities (mentioned), you’re still in Christ. That’s NOT his message. He’s crystal clear on that. God will still love us as he says, but we can seperate ourselves from God by certain sins which he mentions by name. I can give you others he speaks of if you wish.

trish:

He also explains [elsewhere in scripture] …

do you have a reference?

trish:

that if one neglects to remain unstained from the world, remains defiant about such sins, and unconfessed in regards to them ---- that is Apostasy,

Are you defining apostasy in your terms, or are you using apostasy as an example?

trish:

separating one ‘from Christ’. The Apostate, has no confidence anymore before God … a free-will error he/she has made.

Apostasy is also a mortal sin. All mortal sins seperate us from God. Venial sins wound us but don’t seperate us from God like mortal sins do.