General Tendency among anti-Trad posters

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PrayforMallory said:
I’m no theologian, so when we’ve discussed doctrine, my main goal has been to understand, rather than to argue.

I love the traditional liturgy so much. I just want to see it spread all over the world and become a “regular” thing again. Basically, I want all the stumbling blocks removed by the progressivists and the clarity of the traditional way of life reinvigorated.

That’s just how I feel. Nothing against anyone.

As for the SSPX, there are some things I’ve read about that seem sound (some of their more refined doctrinal arguments) and things that are off-putting (like Williamson calling the Pope “objectively insane”)/ I don’t want any part of the extreme. I just want to be able to go to the Traditional Mass, no matter where I travel. I want my friends to be able to go, and unfortunately, there are only SSPX chapels where they live, so they have to suffer through some really protestantized liturgies (I’m mean really protestantized, with protestant music, etc. I’m not taking a crack at the OF here. I also wish they could go to a more traditional OF. Sadly, “Lord of the Dance,” and “On Eagles’ Wings” remains the norm for them).

As for the women idea, there are more women than men at trad Masses.Some women embrace the chapel veil.

Also, I’m a former protestant. When I converted I wanted to be Catholic to the max. I rejected protestantism and wanted to be Catholic. I can’t stand protestant liturgical culture. Of course, I was raised with really banal pentecostal “liturgies,” where insanity and banality prevails.

Just my thoughts. I’m fine with the OF. I just don’t understand preferring it, and I don’t think I ever will, but if it brings someone closer to God and strengthens them in the Catholic faith, well, more power to them. I just want the TLM to spread and revitalize!
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I try not to post that often, but your post caught my attention. I agree with all your sentiments, and I thank God for your conversion.
 
I’m not sure what being a convert means. It seems to me that converts are often the most ardent Catholics. I’m also not sure what you mean by pointing out that some of the people who disagree with you are women.

As a woman convert, I wonder if you’re trying to dismiss my opinions out-of-hand, but I’m not entirely sure where you’re coming from.

I like the EF and try to promote it. I would like to see a return to traditional Catholic worship and catechesis. I think the Church is in a bit of a crisis and that the answer is to firm up the way we do things, rather than water them down.

But, the SSPX give me the willies. As I’ve said before, it’s mostly the crazy people I keep encountering. Over and over again, I meet someone who is in the SSPX and I keep finding the same sort of weird, tin-foil-hat behavior and rhetoric.

When I can’t go to the Latin mass, I attend the least annoying Novus Ordo I can find, where I try to be a good participant in that liturgy. I consider parish life important for our family, and so I try to do what I can to help out. When the priest asked me to be a lector every other Sunday, I agreed. I don’t really care to see women up there reading, but I recognize that that is the way things are done and I agreed to do as my pastor asked. I suppose that might mean that I am not a “true traditionalist.” I think there are some people who would rather stay at home than attend any NO mass… I think that’s just weird.
 
SanJudas said:
Has anyone else noticed that the most vehement anti-Traditionalist and SSPX-hating posters on this forum seem to be either women or former non-Catholics? Is it possible that some of their animosity towards Traditional Catholicism may come from their fear of a return to some former era during which they imagine women, Protestants, Jews, etc. were mistreated or persecuted? Is this the main stumbling block in the way of them either accepting Traditionalism, or at least not coming onto this forum and constantly attacking it? Is there some way that we can allay their fears and reassure them that Traditionalists are not the Catholic answer to the Taleban?
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To be honest, I’ve never noticed any “vehement anti-Traditionalists” posters on this forum. Perhaps you could post a few quotes that you consider “vehement anti-Traditionalist.”

It seems to me that vehement anti-Traditionalists posts should use unflattering language and nasty adjectives. I myself have said that I find chant “spooky” because of my upbringing, but that’s about the most unflattering thing I have seen.

I’ve seen people post that they have a hard time following the missal in a TLM. Surely that isn’t anti-Traditionalist, is it?

To me, a vehement anti-Traditionalist would make claims that the TLM is “inferior” or “Protestantized” or “less conducive to prayer.” A vehement anti-Traditionalist would quote various Church Councils and show that they failed to follow the norms set by the Church, therefore their conclusions were in error and should be stopped immediately. A vehement anti-Traditionalist would make comments about rampant abuse in TLM, about unworthy people serving, etc. A vehement anti-Traditionalist would say that people who serve at TLM are more likely to be supporters of abortion, users of ABC, and tolerant of other sins of our culture.

I see these comments about OF and modern Catholicism all the time, but I’ve never seen such comments about TLM and Traditional Catholicism.

As for SSPX, I agree with others here who say that this organization and Traditional Catholicism are poles apart. Traditional Catholicism, from what I can understand, is all about submission to Holy Mother Church, while the SSPX is about rebellion against HMC. But the rebellion is made worse because SSPX disguises their rebellion as “loyalty to traditions” to deceive and drawn in well-meaning Traditionalist Catholics rather than coming out and admitting that they are in rebellion.
 
SanJudas said:
I really don’t like arguing with all of these liberals and modernists. I ridded myself of the last vestiges of those heresies a while ago. (I hope!) No, the only way to deal with these people is to follow the advice of Our Lord in Mark 9:29: “This kind can only come out through prayer and fasting.”
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In this scripture, Jesus is speaking of a particularly nasty kind of demon, which is not anything that we should use to characterize even the worst poster here. It does little to “allay their fears and reassure them that Traditionalists are not the Catholic answer to the Taleban” to compare people to demons, even in a round about way.
 
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VivatJesus said:
I’m a little worried about the fact that this person claims to be a “Eucharistic Minister” and his screen name is Spiller :eek:!
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I don’t care who you are, that’s FUNNY!!!:clapping: I have always thought the best contribution to any thread is a good joke.
 
Spiller said:
What “traditions”? I think the Tridentine Mass was largely suppressed for many years so as NOT to placate schismatics/heretics/apostates/whatever like the SSPX.
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I have wondered why you are so against those of us that follow tradition (old form if you will)?

Have any of those that lean more to the EF ever harmed you personally in any way? If so then I believe praying for them is a better choice then being so anti-Traditional.
 
SanJudas said:
Riiiight! So vastly different, that the traditions they have been keeping alive for 38 years are now beginning to appear in Papal Masses and on EWTN!
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But oh, so alike in so many ways…like their constant criticisms of the HMC and her clergy…like their constant denigration of Vatican II and the NO Mass…
 
SanJudas said:
I did not make an “ad hominem” attack towards you. I am questioning your self-qualification as a “traditionally-minded Catholic”:

These are not the words of a traditionally-minded Catholic.
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You seem more than willing to “categorize” Catholics who do not share your views, yet take offense when THEY “categorize”?

Pot meet Kettle…
 
piouswoman said:
Yes, they cut and paste and cut and paste and cut and paste…the attacks never subside. It is a quite blatant yet shallow approach that is easily recognized if you spend any time here at all…
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And, HOW MANY SSPX links have YOU posted?
 
JuanCarlos said:
Spiller, aren’t you an extraordinary minister of Holy Communion? And haven’t you posted in the past that you prefer the Novus Ordo over the Traditional Latin Mass, and the CCC over the Baltimore and Roman Catechisms? These definitely aren’t the traits of a traditional minded Catholic…
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That is utter rubbish. A traditional minded Catholic believes in obedience, not superiority over the HMC and her clergy.
 
JuanCarlos said:
You. are. not. a. Traditional. Catholic! Its very simple! You are no more a Traditional Catholic than I am a Maronite- not even remotely. Yes, I love and respect that particular Church but I do not use icons as the center of my home prayer life, I follow the Latin calender, I prefer the TLM over the Maronite Liturgy, and I prefer Latin Catechisms over Maronite ones. Its not an insult for me to be called a non-Maronite- its common sense!!!
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Based on what Church teaching or document do you make this assertion? Has the Church defined “Traditional Catholic”, or do you just make this stuff up to suit your personal attacks on others?
 
GerardP said:
But it contains more clarity than the CCC. You can actually learn the faith without being terribly confused. You’ll be confused by the CCC.
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The confusion is YOUR issue. The CCC stands as the official Church teaching, whether you like it or not. Another example of “tradtional Catholics” rejecting Church authority to suit their agenda.
 
VivatJesus said:
I’m a little worried about the fact that this person claims to be a “Eucharistic Minister” and his screen name is Spiller :eek:!
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Yet another personal attack having nothing to do with the thread itself. :cool:
 
VivatJesus said:
We don’t need them, Spiller! The Church functioned perfectly fine for about 1,300 years when only the priest distributed the Holy Eucharist…and this was when nearly all Catholics believed in the Real Presence, as opposed to <20% nowadays.
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We also used to have three priests to a parish, instead of one priest covering three parishes, as is frequently the case now.
 
JuanCarlos said:
Spiller, I never said you were any less Catholic than I was. Please drop the “Jesus crucified” mindset, especially when you counter your arguments with labels like “shallow”, “bigot”, and “Thank God I am not a Traditional Catholic”. Look at my post. Did I ever once resort to a personal insult to bolster my claim Not in the slightest.
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Are you serious?

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Good heavens! Have I ever actually received Holy Communion from a person like this? No wonder almost 80% of American Catholics don’t believe in the Real Presence any more!

The above quote is not a personal attack???🤷

It does not infer that he is less of a Catholic than you are???🤷
 
ethelzguy said:
We also used to have three priests to a parish, instead of one priest covering three parishes, as is frequently the case now.
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Well, when you have all the parishioners insisting on running the show, where is there a need for priests?
 
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