Generational Healing Mass

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Are “Healing of the Family Tree” or “Generational Healing” Masses sanctioned by the Church? I have recently discovered there are some people saying they are not of Catholic Tradition but I live in a community where some Priests that I trust have them and I never thought there was anythiong wrong-they say it is the old fashioned Mass for the Dead. Are they one in the same. Please do not give your opinion as I would like to know the Truth. I tried to find the answer on the Vatican website but I cannot navigate in there. What does the Pope say?Thank you
 
Are “Healing of the Family Tree” or “Generational Healing” Masses sanctioned by the Church? I have recently discovered there are some people saying they are not of Catholic Tradition but I live in a community where some Priests that I trust have them and I never thought there was anythiong wrong-they say it is the old fashioned Mass for the Dead. Are they one in the same. Please do not give your opinion as I would like to know the Truth. I tried to find the answer on the Vatican website but I cannot navigate in there. What does the Pope say?Thank you
There is nothing wrong with it - and you are not likely to find it mentioned anywhere.

You can have a mass for any intention you wish. Nothing scandalous in it.
 
Thanks, I didn’t think there was anything wrong with them either but on the website www.ad2000.com and www.catholic.org there are articles condemning this type of Mass. In fact, an article says the Korean Bishops Condemn “Family Tree” healing practices. so you see, how does a person find out what the Catholic Truth is about this?Some Bishops say it is sanctioned and others say it isn’t.
 
I wish I had further information for this. All I can tell you is that my younger brother left HMC for a protestant charismatic church. He claimed that because one of our direct ancestors had done some really nasty things before and after the American Civil War (e.g. owning slaves) that God “cursed” our family down to the “Xth generation” and that we needed to be “healed from that curse”. This runs contrary to Catholic theology and yet I note that I can find “Healing Masses” in the charismatic community in my diocese. I’m confused too. Frankly it seems very “protestant” to me.
 
I wish I had further information for this. All I can tell you is that my younger brother left HMC for a protestant charismatic church. He claimed that because one of our direct ancestors had done some really nasty things before and after the American Civil War (e.g. owning slaves) that God “cursed” our family down to the “Xth generation” and that we needed to be “healed from that curse”. This runs contrary to Catholic theology and yet I note that I can find “Healing Masses” in the charismatic community in my diocese. I’m confused too. Frankly it seems very “protestant” to me.
Nothing in the Catholic Charismatic Renewal is ‘protestant’.

Why not see if there is someone in your diocese can help fill you in?
 
Nothing in the Catholic Charismatic Renewal is ‘protestant’.
Most of the songs are.🤷
Why not see if there is someone in your diocese can help fill you in?
The false doctrine of “generational curses” is from taking an OT bible verse out of context, removing it from the cross, and applying it to our lives today.

“A text without a context is a pretext.”

Prominent protestant charismatic people putting out this false message:
Neil Anderson
Larry Huch
and more

The scripture being taken out of context is from Exodus, and is in the context of the Ten Commandments that the Lord gave to Moses.
Ex 20:4-6 “You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand generations] of those who love me and keep my commandments.”
Jesus came to set us free from the curse of the LAW.
Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us. Galatians 3:13
Those who are in Christ have been redeemed from the punishment of the law. Read the NT books of Romans and Hebrews to see that we are redeemed from that law.
We are not responsible for our father’s sins.
We are responsible for, and will be judged according to our own sins.

Look up generational curses within these forums, and see here
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=163333&highlight=generational+curse
 
Most of the songs are.🤷

The false doctrine of “generational curses” is from taking an OT bible verse out of context, removing it from the cross, and applying it to our lives today.

“A text without a context is a pretext.”

Prominent protestant charismatic people putting out this false message:
Neil Anderson
Larry Huch
and more

The scripture being taken out of context is from Exodus, and is in the context of the Ten Commandments that the Lord gave to Moses.

Jesus came to set us free from the curse of the LAW.

Those who are in Christ have been redeemed from the punishment of the law. Read the NT books of Romans and Hebrews to see that we are redeemed from that law.
We are not responsible for our father’s sins.
We are responsible for, and will be judged according to our own sins.

Look up generational curses within these forums, and see here
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=163333&highlight=generational+curse
Why bring up protestant charismatic views etc?

Why not investigate the CATHOLIC Charismatic Renewal?

Any Generational Healing Mass I have been to- offered by a group that is part of the CATHOLIC Charismatic Renewal - never mentions anything about ‘curses’.
 
Nothing in the Catholic Charismatic Renewal is ‘protestant’.

Why not see if there is someone in your diocese can help fill you in?
Respectfully, I disagree with you. I was born and baptized in '51. Made my first communion in '58. Was confirmed in '63. I am cognizant of the Azusa St. movement and had to do extensive study because I was resident here in Baton Rouge when Bro. Jimmy Swaggert was ascending in his power. My brother left HMC to follow a doctrine which had not been preached before 1970 or the birth of the CCR in 1968.

I asked for clarification not dispute. Your statement neither clarifies nor explains. Nor does it address the issue of generational healing. From my point of view and based upon the extensive reading I have done, please, explain to me why I should not view this concept as anything but “charismatic protestant”.

Please cite to me where such ideas were taught in my generation. Please show me where such ideas are to be confirmed in the CCC?

See, that’s the whole problem. It is new. It follows upon the heels of the protestant Azusa St. movement. How can I as a pre Vatican II Catholic try to convince my brother of his misconceptions (on pain of his immortal soul). And, how, in the name of Almighty God, can I be held accountable for what my great great grandfather did?

The Church has never taught generational curses.

I don’t mean to be so severe, but I have wracked my brain with this whole concept vis-a-vis my brother and it is antithetical to Catholic theology.
 
Why bring up protestant charismatic views etc?

Why not investigate the CATHOLIC Charismatic Renewal?

Any Generational Healing Mass I have been to- offered by a group that is part of the CATHOLIC Charismatic Renewal - never mentions anything about ‘curses’.
A couple of months after my mother had died (back in 1994),. a friend took me to one of these so-called generational healing Masses. It was rather odd and not at all comforting. Graceandglory’s observations are fairly accurate.

Furthermore, what was rather troubling is that this seems to mirror what the Mormons do with their geneaology. They have their folks trace their lineage so that all of their ancestors can be “saved.”

What the folks promoting these so-called generational healing Masses fail to realize is that the root of all our deficiencies is sin. The sin of Adam and Eve disfigured our souls and distorted our hearts. Sin undoes God’s creation.

It is better for us to concentrate on repairing our relationship with God, especially during these remaining days of Lent. True healing comes when we reconcile with God and convert. It’s too late after we die. We can’t pray ourselves out of purgatory. But, our friends, relatives and descendants can. That’s why, if I want to pray for my deceased relatives, including my beloved mom, I offer the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass for them.
 
Nothing in the Catholic Charismatic Renewal is ‘protestant’.

Why not see if there is someone in your diocese can help fill you in?
Interesting that you would say that since the entire Catholic charismatic movement began as the direct result of ecumenical activities with protestant groups **and **with the request of those Catholics present at these activities to receive baptism of the Holy Spirit from a non Catholic, Presbyterian I believe it was, pastor.

As the Presbyterian community is firmly rooted in reformation principles, Calvinists actually to a great degree, they would clearly be classified as protestants. Since the Catholic Charismatic renewal movement was born from association with them and from the aforementioned baptism of the Holy Spirit performed by them, there is most certainly something very protestant about it. No matter how much these groups try to claim they are an organic growth that sprang from within the Catholic Church they are not and did not.

To say otherwise displays at best a denial of what the movement is truly concerned with and where it actually came from.
 
Why bring up protestant charismatic views etc?

Why not investigate the CATHOLIC Charismatic Renewal?

Any Generational Healing Mass I have been to- offered by a group that is part of the CATHOLIC Charismatic Renewal - never mentions anything about ‘curses’.
Because they are two of the most popular and prominent authors and evangelists who spread this “heresy” to thousands weekly by book and TV.

I was in the CATHOLIC Charismatic Renewal from 1977 to 1982. Through that involvement, I ended up leaving the Catholic Church for what I thought was even better, and ended up married to the charismatic pentecostal preacher’s kid. 😦 So, let’s say I’ve investigated it to it’s logical end.

😉
 
Because they are two of the most popular and prominent authors and evangelists who spread this “heresy” to thousands weekly by book and TV.

I was in the CATHOLIC Charismatic Renewal from 1977 to 1982. Through that involvement, I ended up leaving the Catholic Church for what I thought was even better, and ended up married to the charismatic pentecostal preacher’s kid. 😦 So, let’s say I’ve investigated it to it’s logical end.

😉
No - not to its ‘logical end’ but you seemed to have been sidetracked.

Your particular story does not link the Catholic Charismatic Renewal to any nonCatholic charismatic movement.
 
Respectfully, I disagree with you. I was born and baptized in '51. Made my first communion in '58. Was confirmed in '63. I am cognizant of the Azusa St. movement and had to do extensive study because I was resident here in Baton Rouge when Bro. Jimmy Swaggert was ascending in his power. My brother left HMC to follow a doctrine which had not been preached before 1970 or the birth of the CCR in 1968.

I asked for clarification not dispute. Your statement neither clarifies nor explains. Nor does it address the issue of generational healing. From my point of view and based upon the extensive reading I have done, please, explain to me why I should not view this concept as anything but “charismatic protestant”.

Please cite to me where such ideas were taught in my generation. Please show me where such ideas are to be confirmed in the CCC?

See, that’s the whole problem. It is new. It follows upon the heels of the protestant Azusa St. movement. How can I as a pre Vatican II Catholic try to convince my brother of his misconceptions (on pain of his immortal soul). And, how, in the name of Almighty God, can I be held accountable for what my great great grandfather did?

The Church has never taught generational curses.

I don’t mean to be so severe, but I have wracked my brain with this whole concept vis-a-vis my brother and it is antithetical to Catholic theology.
I have been in the Catholic Charismatic Renewal, I have been to healing services focused on Generational Healing and I have not ever heard of ‘generational curses’.

I have not had any contact with any charismatic movement other than the Catholic Charismatic Renewal.

IF these are held in your particular diocese certainly someone at the diocese can help you sort out part of this issue.

As far as your brother - pray that he always follows God’s will in his life and go from there.
 
No - not to its ‘logical end’ but you seemed to have been sidetracked.

Your particular story does not link the Catholic Charismatic Renewal to any nonCatholic charismatic movement.
This is news to me…I have been told several times by teachers and speakers that the Catholic Charismatic movement sprang up out of the false ecumenism that cropped up due to the false interpretation of Vatican II.

You know sometimes people often develop a personal glorification of the seeming self, these same people often can be found delving into the interest of others…quite frequently these same people use snide rhetorical questions in a false attempt to exalt themselves into a self percieved sage. It is these who rarely engage in self-introspection. Often times those same people hide behind the guise of broadmindedness…only to be open to their own wills and ideas…placing themselves prisoner at the center of their own life…instead of the divine.
 
I have read everything written in the posts and I still can’t get a clear answer about whether or not generational healing or healing of the family tree Masses are sanctioned by the Church.
The trusted Priest that does these Masses says the Catholic Church has always recommended praying for the dead, to relieve them of the temporal punishments due to sin(CCC 1030-1032). If we have the recognition of the fact that sin has consequences and that it takes prayers and offerings to help overcome those consequences-within the providential plan of God. If we look at Romans 5:12-19, where St.Paul talks about original sin and its consequences, we have here the foundation for both acknowledging the consequences of sin but also the sure hope that grace through Christ is greater than sin so that we can with confidence turn to Him and call upon Him to be saved.This is the simple foundation for acknowledging the nature of sin and its consequences, the call to pray for the dead and also to call upon the saving grace of Christ to work for both the living and the dead.It is in this context that the Priest does these Masses and says it is simply the Mass for the Dead.He says to look at CCC#953and #817 which the speaks of acts of charity and sinful acts affect the whole body, that is the communion of saints and wounds to the unity of the Church due to sin. From this he concludes that the Lord might want us to pray for the harmful effects of sin to be overcome by grace.So this particular Priest sees no problem with these Masses. Another Priest told me that they are not sanctioned by the Church and they are a strange new phenomena and that he wouldn’t go there because it is not Catholic. These are two Priests from the same Diocese.Who is correct?Culpable ignorance or denial?What does Pope say?Depending on who you speak to you get different answers from trusted Priests.:confused:
 
Why not ask these questions of your diocese?

Are they held with the knowledge of the diocese? Perhaps advertised or listed with them?

IF so then they would be a good source as to whether these are ok to attend or not, and if they are Catholic or not.

:hmmm: :newidea: :hmmm: :doh2:
 
yes, I have put a call into the Chancery Office here for our Diocese and have been waiting and I have emailed a Priest from this website too. I just was hoping someone could tell me what the Church’s position(not anyone’s personal opinion) is on it because I’m afraid by the time I hear from the Chancellor it could be eons;)
 
yes, I have put a call into the Chancery Office here for our Diocese and have been waiting and I have emailed a Priest from this website too. I just was hoping someone could tell me what the Church’s position(not anyone’s personal opinion) is on it because I’m afraid by the time I hear from the Chancellor it could be eons;)
As you have seen you run the same chance - if not a greater one - of getting personal opinion.
 
I have read everything written in the posts and I still can’t get a clear answer about whether or not generational healing or healing of the family tree Masses are sanctioned by the Church.
The trusted Priest that does these Masses says the Catholic Church has always recommended praying for the dead, to relieve them of the temporal punishments due to sin(CCC 1030-1032). If we have the recognition of the fact that sin has consequences and that it takes prayers and offerings to help overcome those consequences-within the providential plan of God. If we look at Romans 5:12-19, where St.Paul talks about original sin and its consequences, we have here the foundation for both acknowledging the consequences of sin but also the sure hope that grace through Christ is greater than sin so that we can with confidence turn to Him and call upon Him to be saved.This is the simple foundation for acknowledging the nature of sin and its consequences, the call to pray for the dead and also to call upon the saving grace of Christ to work for both the living and the dead.It is in this context that the Priest does these Masses and says it is simply the Mass for the Dead.He says to look at CCC#953and #817 which the speaks of acts of charity and sinful acts affect the whole body, that is the communion of saints and wounds to the unity of the Church due to sin. From this he concludes that the Lord might want us to pray for the harmful effects of sin to be overcome by grace.So this particular Priest sees no problem with these Masses. Another Priest told me that they are not sanctioned by the Church and they are a strange new phenomena and that he wouldn’t go there because it is not Catholic. These are two Priests from the same Diocese.Who is correct?Culpable ignorance or denial?What does Pope say?Depending on who you speak to you get different answers from trusted Priests.:confused:
Yes, the Catholic Church does commend that we pray for the faithful departed. In fact, the entire month of November is devoted to the Holy Souls (not just November 2nd).

The Church also has various prayers, texts and propers for Masses for the Dead (outside of the funeral Mass). The whole gamut is covered, from the death anniversary of a pope, bishop, and priest, to Masses for one or more deceased, one’s parents and other individuals. However, the official rituals of the Church do not have any propers, prayers or texts specifically designated for these alleged generational healing Masses that you described in your OP.

We need to exercise special care in not stretching what the Church teaches and twist it into something similar to Mormon salvation belief (which I alluded to earlier in my post).
 
I have read everything written in the posts and I still can’t get a clear answer about whether or not generational healing or healing of the family tree Masses are sanctioned by the Church.
The trusted Priest that does these Masses says the Catholic Church has always recommended praying for the dead, to relieve them of the temporal punishments due to sin(CCC 1030-1032). If we have the recognition of the fact that sin has consequences and that it takes prayers and offerings to help overcome those consequences-within the providential plan of God. If we look at Romans 5:12-19, where St.Paul talks about original sin and its consequences, we have here the foundation for both acknowledging the consequences of sin but also the sure hope that grace through Christ is greater than sin so that we can with confidence turn to Him and call upon Him to be saved.This is the simple foundation for acknowledging the nature of sin and its consequences, the call to pray for the dead and also to call upon the saving grace of Christ to work for both the living and the dead.It is in this context that the Priest does these Masses and says it is simply the Mass for the Dead.He says to look at CCC#953and #817 which the speaks of acts of charity and sinful acts affect the whole body, that is the communion of saints and wounds to the unity of the Church due to sin. From this he concludes that the Lord might want us to pray for the harmful effects of sin to be overcome by grace.So this particular Priest sees no problem with these Masses. Another Priest told me that they are not sanctioned by the Church and they are a strange new phenomena and that he wouldn’t go there because it is not Catholic. These are two Priests from the same Diocese.Who is correct?Culpable ignorance or denial?What does Pope say?Depending on who you speak to you get different answers from trusted Priests.:confused:
These are the facts, not personal opinions:

Generational healing masses differ substantially from the normal healing Masses that we have had around for years. In essence the people who advocate these type of masses say that your ancestors sins can and do affect you and you family today. Something along the lines of a generational curse. One of your great great great ancestors did something and you still carry the stain from it. So, individuals and families who are often and maybe repeatedly assailed by depression, illness, financial worries, accidents, bad relationships etc etc. could find that they are not the victims of happenstance or sheer bad luck. NO, the cause can be and often is a curse :bigyikes: which may have originated in a previous generation. 👍

Now knowing that aspect of the equation, you can pretty clearly see that the intent behind the generational or family tree Mass as it is sometimes called, conflicts with Catholic theology totally.

In the Catholic faith the Sacrament of Baptism washes away the stain of original sin, which is handed down to all of us. It also forgives all sins that we have committed up to that point in our lives. Also just for good measure the Catholic Church has never taught that a persons sins could be passed down to their ancestors or that those sins could cause any objective harm to those who did not in fact commit them.

Now there are religions that believe that the sins of the parent **ARE **passed on to the child AND BEYOND. In fact the book of Exodus actually says so in certain cases, so at at least some point in history the Jews believed it. There are others who believe that Baptism DOES NOT forgive anything at all and is not sacramental in nature. Most protestants fall into that category…

NEITHER IS A TRUE REPRESENTATION OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCHES TEACHING.

Since adhering to one or the other of these two beliefs is essential for one to accept what the generational healing Masses purport to be for it it is reasonable to assume that the believers have drifted off into some non Catholic practices and beliefs,

They are often compared with Masses offered for the dead. But these Masses are offered for the dead, NOT for us and to solve OURdifficulties.

Some Bishops have outlawed these events altogether in their dioceses. Others have a kind of indifference to them and a few allegedly support them, although I could find no hard evidence for that. The Vatican as it often does stands mute on the subject at this time, although, I would imagine they hope the practice will just die off on its own.
note: The last line is a personal opinion.🙂

I would think that staying away from them would not be a really bad idea.
 
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