Genesis 1:3 - What was the light that God created?

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Maybe the light was the big bang?
One has to take into account that the first chapter of Genesis is not meant to be a historical or scientific account of creation. It was written to teach the religious truth about creation, not provide chronological, step-by-step review of the origin of the universe.

To illustrate: each “day” in Genesis chapter 1 begins with an evening and ends with a morning. (Genesis 1:5, 8, 13, 19, 23, and 31) If this is supposed to be a literal account then the days of creation were only half days, consisting of 12 hours of mostly darkness since the hours between evening and morning are mostly dark.

Genesis 1:7 describes the sky with a word that in Hebrew means “metallic dome.” It also states that there is no vacuum of space beyond this dome of the sky, only water. Of course we know that there is no cosmos of waters beyond a metallic dome above us. Instead we have an atmosphere of gases, and beyond that the emptiness of space.

Genesis chapter 1 states that the animals were created before humans, but the creation story of chapter 2 has Adam created first.–Genesis 1:20-28; 2:4-7, 18-20.

So the “light” of Genesis–NOT speaking of the allegorical connection with Christ in this instance–is in reference to something else besides a literal description of earth’s creative stages. Notice that the “light” comes AFTER God creates the heaven and earth. (Genesis 1:1-3) So it can’t be in reference to the Big Bang, as that happened before there was an earth.
 
One has to take into account that the first chapter of Genesis is not meant to be a historical or scientific account of creation. It was written to teach the religious truth about creation, not provide chronological, step-by-step review of the origin of the universe.

To illustrate: each “day” in Genesis chapter 1 begins with an evening and ends with a morning. (Genesis 1:5, 8, 13, 19, 23, and 31) If this is supposed to be a literal account then the days of creation were only half days, consisting of 12 hours of mostly darkness since the hours between evening and morning are mostly dark.

Genesis 1:7 describes the sky with a word that in Hebrew means “metallic dome.” It also states that there is no vacuum of space beyond this dome of the sky, only water. Of course we know that there is no cosmos of waters beyond a metallic dome above us. Instead we have an atmosphere of gases, and beyond that the emptiness of space.

Genesis chapter 1 states that the animals were created before humans, but the creation story of chapter 2 has Adam created first.–Genesis 1:20-28; 2:4-7, 18-20.

So the “light” of Genesis–NOT speaking of the allegorical connection with Christ in this instance–is in reference to something else besides a literal description of earth’s creative stages. Notice that the “light” comes AFTER God creates the heaven and earth. (Genesis 1:1-3) So it can’t be in reference to the Big Bang, as that happened before there was an earth.
ah ok great insight thank you
 
I just started to read Genesis this afternoon and I realized that the light was not the sun. So what was the light?
:)O dear Abba, that the light was the sun. When I first saw your question I thought same as you that in fourth day God made sun and moon so that in Genesis 1:3 God said ’ let there be light’, that light was not the sun; still then when you continue read, Genesis 1:4,5–'And God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness.5God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day. ’ so this light is sun, because only sun is the light separate day and night .

**Genesis 1

1In the beginning when God created the heavens and the earth, 2the earth was a formless void and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters. 3Then God said, ‘Let there be light’; and there was light. 4And God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness.5God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.
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Genesis 1
14 And God said, ‘Let there be lights in the dome of the sky to separate the day from the night; and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years, 15and let them be lights in the dome of the sky to give light upon the earth.’ And it was so. 16God made the two great lights—the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night—and the stars. 17God set them in the dome of the sky to give light upon the earth, 18to rule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good.19And there was evening and there was morning, the fourth day**.
 
I think the first light, “Fiat Lux,” was simply the initial manifestation of God’s creative love which until now sustains the Universe.
 
St. Augustine says in his Confessions that the description in the Bible…

The earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; (Genesis 1:2)

…means before creation, outside of time, eternal. This is when the Son was begotten by the Father and how we can say in the creed that the son was “eternally begotten of the Father before all ages.”

-Tim-
HI Tim,

I disagree with Saint Augustine here. This leads to a false teaching in my estimation. God did not create the Word. The Word is the Second Person of the Triune God. God is Trinitarian in being in His very essence. It was not that in eternity God the Father decided to beget the Word and the Holy Spirit developed or came about out of the Love shared by the love between the Father and the Son. God *is *Love itself. God is the Holy Spirit and is the Father and the Son.

My understand is that there was never in eternity a point where the Word and the Holy Spirit were not but the Father was. The very Being of God is Trinitarian. It is not from Genesis that we get that the Word was begotten but from John who new Our Lord.

There are wrong teachings that claim that Jesus was not the son of God because He was created or 'begotten’and He was not. The Word is one person of the one and only and triune God.

I kind of think of it as spontaneous the being of God. All three exist as one.

Besides, I would expect a much glorious begottenness of the Word than happening in the same way as the way God created the heavens and the earth.

The Greek word begotten is suppose to be monogenesis, pointing to the uniqueness. I’ll look this up.
 
HI Tim,

I disagree with Saint Augustine here. This leads to a false teaching in my estimation. **God did not create the Word. **The Word is the Second Person of the Triune God. God is Trinitarian in being in His very essence. It was not that in eternity God the Father decided to beget the Word and the Holy Spirit developed or came about out of the Love shared by the love between the Father and the Son. God *is *Love itself. God is the Holy Spirit and is the Father and the Son.

My understand is that there was never in eternity a point where the Word and the Holy Spirit were not but the Father was. The very Being of God is Trinitarian. It is not from Genesis that we get that the Word was begotten but from John who new Our Lord.

There are wrong teachings that claim that Jesus was not the son of God because He was created or 'begotten’and He was not. The Word is one person of the one and only and triune God.

I kind of think of it as spontaneous the being of God. All three exist as one.

Besides, I would expect a much glorious begottenness of the Word than happening in the same way as the way God created the heavens and the earth.

The Greek word begotten is suppose to be monogenesis, pointing to the uniqueness. I’ll look this up.
I never said that God created the Word. Those are your words, not mine. I never said that and neither did St. Augustine.

I said that the Father begot the Son in eternity, before creation and before time began, just like it says in the Nicene creed. I also believe that the first three verses of Genesis state exactly that.

There seems to be a lot of confusion about beget vs create and what the two words mean. They are not the same thing. God was not creating Jesus in the first three lines of Genesis but the Father was begetting the Son in eternity, before time began.

-Tim-
 
Well, I did a limited research on when it was that the Word was generated. It definitely could not have been when “God said Let there be light”. This I think, although Saint Augustine and Tertullian did not think so. Tertullian thought that the primeval light was the ‘nativity’ of the Word.

Tertullian:

“Then, therefore, does the Word also Himself assume His own form and glorious garb, His own sound and vocal utterance, when God says, Let there be light. Genesis 1:3 This is the perfect nativity of the Word, when He proceeds forth from God— formed by Him first to devise and think out all things under the name of Wisdom— The Lord created or formed me as the beginning of His ways…”

I consider that before the primeval light was created the earth and the heavens had already been created (Genesis 1.1). The Word we understand was generated before all creation, so He was not generated after the creation of the earth, the heavens, and angels.

I further consider that the Word has the same being as the other two persons. If the Word is Wisdom, for example, and as it says in the OT, I can not imagine or conceive that there was in eternity a point (?) in where the Father was but not the Son nor the Holy Spirit. This thinking leads to the absurdity of God not having wisdom nor love.

I thought I asked a simple question, but, it can really make one ponder and ponder. I don’t like being in disagreement with the Fathers and I haven’t found a Father that really just plainly agrees with me. Yet, I don’t understand how Augustine given the understand that he came to have of the Trinity by he Grace of God, could really think that the primeval light was the generation of the Word, when he made the analogy of the generation of the Word to how we conceive ideas with our intellect. Maybe, he came to a better understanding later in life and the Confession was an early work, I don’t know.

Saint Thomas continued where Saint Augustine left of with the understanding of the generation of the Word and the Holy Spirit and how the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are three distinct and complete persons and one being. Saint Thomas uses the analogy of Augustine of comparing our intellect and conception of ideas etc… to the generation of the Son by the Father. In one of his hermeneutical approaches he does consider that if considered in the anagogical sense 'Let there be light" could mean the entrance of Christ into creation (but I don’t think by this he means the generation of the Word).

"Thomas himself gives an example of the senses of Scripture as applied to a particular passage: “When I say ‘Let there be light’ and speak of corporeal light, it pertains to the literal sense. If ‘Let there be light’ is understood as ‘let Christ be born in the church,’ it pertains to the allegorical sense. If it is understood as ‘let us be introduced into glory through Christ,’ it pertains to the anagogical sense. If it is understood as ‘let us be illumined in our intellects and inflamed in our affections,’ it pertains to the moral sense.” www3.nd.edu/~afreddos/papers/Taqandss.htm BTW, this whole article is an excellent read and the title is: REALITY—A Synthesis Of Thomistic Thought
by Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange, O. P.

St. Thomas Aquinas and Sacred Scripture
www3.nd.edu/~afreddos/papers/Taqandss.htm

Here are some interesting things I was reading:

Question 27. The procession of the divine persons
newadvent.org/summa/1027.htm

The section on Augustine is good here:
theopedia.com/Eternal_generation_of_the_Son

Tertullian:
newadvent.org/fathers/0317.htm

Saint Cyril of Jerusalem:
On the Words, the Only-Begotten Son of God, Begotten of the Father Very God Before All Ages, by Whom All Things Were Made.

“11. The Father then begot Him not in such wise as any man could understand, but as Himself only knows. For we profess not to tell in what manner He begot Him, but we insist that it was not in this manner. And not we only are ignorant of the generation of the Son from the Father, but so is every created nature. Speak to the earth, if perchance it may teach you Job 12:8: and though thou inquire of all things which are upon the earth, they shall not be able to tell you. For the earth cannot tell the substance of Him who is its own potter and fashioner. Nor is the earth alone ignorant, but the sun also : for the sun was created on the fourth day, without knowing what had been made in the three days before him; and he who knows not the things made in the three days before him, cannot tell forth the Maker Himself. Heaven will not declare this: for at the Father’s bidding the heaven also was like smoke established by Christ. Nor shall the heaven of heavens declare this, nor the waters which are above the heavens. Why then art you cast down, O man, at being ignorant of that which even the heavens know not? Nay, not only are the heavens ignorant of this generation, but also every angelic nature. For if any one should ascend, were it possible, into the first heaven, and perceiving the ranks of the Angels there should approach and ask them how God begot His own Son, they would say perhaps, We have above us beings greater and higher; ask them. Go up to the second heaven and the third; attain, if you can, to Thrones, and Dominions, and Principalities, and Powers: and even if any one should reach them, which is impossible, they also would decline the explanation, for they know it not.”
newadvent.org/fathers/310111.htm

This website here is not Catholic but they do present the understanding that the Word is eternal and always was by using biblical references:
biblelessons.com/begotten.html

Bottom line, I don’t think the primeval light was the generation of the Word.

Peace
 
I never said that God created the Word. Those are your words, not mine. I never said that and neither did St. Augustine.
You are right. I could have written more clearly. What I had in mind is that to consider that when God said: Let there be light, is when the Word was generated is as if to consider that He was created. This because it is an outward generation and separate from God and would imply that there was a time when the Word was not and ‘created’ in the same fashion or mode as the that which was indeed created by calling it into being; ‘let there be’.
I said that the Father begot the Son in eternity, before creation and before time began, just like it says in the Nicene creed. I also believe that the first three verses of Genesis state exactly that.
I read your post after I posted, but, I noted on the post above that in Genesis 1.1 God creates the heavens and the earth, so the primeval light could not be the Word as he was before creation.
There seems to be a lot of confusion about beget vs create and what the two words mean. They are not the same thing. God was not creating Jesus in the first three lines of Genesis but the Father was begetting the Son in eternity, before time began.

-Tim-
I understand the difference as I clarified above; but there have been historical misunderstandings that led to heresies with the begetting and the thought that Jesus was created (Jehovah’s Witness)

About the last sentence; I just don’t see how if the Word, for instance, is Wisdom and always was, is and will be, how the primeval light could be the generation of the Word. It doesn’t make sense that the primeval light is the generation of the Word.

Peace.
 
Obviously the light was the moon in its early stages when it still was molten magma. When the sun was created, it cooled down and became a light reflector. Just as it is today. But in its early stage, when it was still molten magma, it must have been shining a light on the earth and created day and night when it orbited the earth (which at that point was still covered with water and no sky or atmosphere or nothing). :cool:
 
Obviously the light was the moon in its early stages when it still was molten magma. When the sun was created, it cooled down and became a light reflector. Just as it is today. But in its early stage, when it was still molten magma, it must have been shining a light on the earth and created day and night when it orbited the earth (which at that point was still covered with water and no sky or atmosphere or nothing). :cool:
Except that light was created on the first day and the moon was created on the fourth day.

-Tim-
 
How do you know that the moon was created on the fourth day? Does the Bible actually say that? Does it say the “sun” and the “moon”? No, it talks about two great “lights”. The moon may alredy have been created because it doesn’t produce any light, only reflect it.
 
Except that light was created on the first day and the moon was created on the fourth day.

-Tim-
Is there for you a posibility that the moon become a “great” light on the fourth day without it beeing created on the same day, but before?
 
“The “light” of day one is the same as the “luminaries” of day four.” It is in fact in reference to the light of the sun and stars. However, it’s important to distinguish some important details. For example, the light is not ascribed to any particular source or object, but instead is distinguished according to its specific properties. This light is intended to be the measure of the day, which can be applied in two ways, that of time, or of distance, as per the light year. Whereas on the fourth day, the sun, moon and stars receive this specific function (that is, as the measure of time), in relation to their movements. Furthermore, as St. Basil correctly notes, the sun and stars are said to be “made” on the fourth day so that man would not attribute the sun as the origin of life on earth. However, he incorrectly asserts that they were created on the fourth day.

“It appears that what is now the first chapter of Genesis was composed after the return of the Jews from captivity in Babylon.” So your saying that Moses is not the author of the first two chapter of Genesis? That’s a real bad move, nor is it even accurate.

“Therefore the creation story of God was orally taught and later written down as a seven-day mnemonic device that culminates in a lesson about observing the Sabbath.” That’s not true on both accounts.

“Obeying Torah and keeping the Sabbath was as important as attributing creation to God!” What are you talking about? You completely disregard the prophetic nature of the text.

“If you note in chapter 2 of Genesis the creation story is different and follows an order that is not the same as in chapter 1. But the two stories are placed side by side. This is an ancient way used by writers of the past to demonstrate that the details of the story are not as important as the religious truths being taught.” No that’s not true, you’re not looking close enough. You’re missing just about everything in fact.

“The Jews saw themselves as needing to be a part of this order or subject to it by needing to rest as God did on the seventh day.” Not even close.

“The “light” of the first day is not merely the “sun” and “moon” of day 4, but (as others have pointed out) can have deeper meanings, such as God’s illuminating Word, and even the Word Incarnate.” No, it really can’t, it has one specific meaning, and its not related to the Second Person of the Holy Trinity.

“But your original thought is correct, even though the first chapter of Genesis is clearly not a literally historic and scientific description of creation.” I would disagree with you. In fact, it doesn’t seem like you’ve carefully considered the text.
 
"They are obviously unaware of the other texts the Church applies to Christ, namely Proverbs 8 and Sirach 24 where Wisdom personified is seen as a prophetic foreshadow fulfilled in Jesus Christ. In Proverbs 8:22, Wisdom is described as “the beginning of his works, the first of his acts of old.” In Sirach 24:9 Wisdom states,“in the beginning, he created me.” “Just because these verse state that Wisdom was created by God and even though these chapters about Wisdom are referred to as typifying Christ, the Second Person of the Trinity who has no beginning, does not mean that that Church is claiming the Christ was created. He was not.”

The passages you cited are specifically used by the Church Fathers to allude to Jesus’s human nature. Prv. 8:22 has been applied to the human nature of Jesus Christ, as per St. Athanasius and St. Ambrose. However, its one thing to interpret it as such, but another to prove it.

“When interpreting a text from a spiritual or allegorical angle, one does not necessarily apply all aspects of the context in so doing.” You probably should, it will save you a lot of time.
 
“St. Augustine says in his Confessions that the description in the Bible… The earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep;”…means before creation, outside of time, eternal. This is when the Son was begotten by the Father and how we can say in the creed that the son was “eternally begotten of the Father before all ages.”

I have never read St. Augustine apply such an interpretation. He held the view that the earth was in reference to “formless matter” or “primary matter” as per St. Aquinas. However, this interpretation is false. It has nothing to do with formless matter nor “primary matter,” simply on the fact that their isn’t such a thing.
 
“One has to take into account that the first chapter of Genesis is not meant to be a historical or scientific account of creation. It was written to teach the religious truth about creation, not provide chronological, step-by-step review of the origin of the universe.” I don’t think you have a clue what the inspired author intended to teach.

“Genesis 1:7 describes the sky with a word that in Hebrew means “metallic dome.” It also states that there is no vacuum of space beyond this dome of the sky, only water.” This is not true. The waters are in reference to the waters of the earth, and the firmament is in reference to the atmosphere; it has nothing to do with outer space.

“Of course we know that there is no cosmos of waters beyond a metallic dome above us. Instead we have an atmosphere of gases.” Yes, that’s true. This is exactly what Moses was teaching.

“Genesis chapter 1 states that the animals were created before humans, but the creation story of chapter 2 has Adam created first.–Genesis 1:20-28; 2:4-7, 18-20.” This was done for specific reasons which evade you.

“So it can’t be in reference to the Big Bang, as that happened before there was an earth.” I didn’t see a “big bang” mentioned anywhere in Scripture.
 
I think the first light, “Fiat Lux,” was simply the initial manifestation of God’s creative love which until now sustains the Universe.
I thought you said it the light “was the pre-existing Logos manifesting himself as a precondition for Creation.”

Both opinions are wrong.
 
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