Genesis 1- "our image"

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In Genesis 1:26 it says:

“God said, ‘Let us make man in our own image, in the likeness of ourselves, and let them be masters of the fish of the sea, the birds of heaven, the cattle, all the wild animals and all the creatures that creep along the ground.’”

Our image? Why was it not written to say “my image”? “Our image” sounds like more than one god is speaking. I’m just curious if anyone knows why it is worded this way because it’s really confusing me!

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Karen
 
In Genesis 1:26 it says:

“God said, ‘Let us make man in our own image, in the likeness of ourselves, and let them be masters of the fish of the sea, the birds of heaven, the cattle, all the wild animals and all the creatures that creep along the ground.’”

Our image? Why was it not written to say “my image”? “Our image” sounds like more than one god is speaking. I’m just curious if anyone knows why it is worded this way because it’s really confusing me!

Thanks!
Karen
In ancient Semitic, from which Hebrew derives, the base word for god is “El” or “Elo”. Also in ancient Semitic, the suffix ending of “-im” indicates a grouping of objects or people. In Hebrew, the passage you’re referring uses the term “Elohim” when it refers to God. This indicates a grouping of persons, which leads to the distinct persons of the Trinity that is revealed later in the New Testament.
 
its a reference to the Holy Trinity. Man is created like God’s image in the fact that we have an immortal spirit, a soul. Often people confuse this as meaning God looks like us physically , with hair, nose, ears, ect but it actually means we have a spirit like Him. and like i said it is a reference to the Holy Trinity. God the Father is talking to God the Son and Holy Spirit.
 
When he said “OUR” I allways thought he was talking to the angels. Thats the way i see it.
 
Can anybody advise or point the way to Jewish discussion of this passage before Jesus?
 
I highly doubt that the ancient writers of the Genesis text were thinking about the Trinity, that’s our later understanding of it… Elohim were most probably angels.
 
In Genesis 1:26 it says:

“God said, ‘Let us make man in our own image, in the likeness of ourselves, and let them be masters of the fish of the sea, the birds of heaven, the cattle, all the wild animals and all the creatures that creep along the ground.’”

Our image? Why was it not written to say “my image”? “Our image” sounds like more than one god is speaking. I’m just curious if anyone knows why it is worded this way because it’s really confusing me!

Thanks!
Karen
To understand “our image” from a Catholic point of view, what Catholic doctrines about God do you know?
 
I highly doubt that the ancient writers of the Genesis text were thinking about the Trinity, that’s our later understanding of it… Elohim were most probably angels.
In Hebrew, the angels are referred to as Cherubim and Seraphim, depending on their rank. Elohim is strictly reserved for God in this passage, later understood in the form of the Trinity. God later reveals his true identity as YHWH to Moses, which translates to “I AM”
 
I highly doubt that the ancient writers of the Genesis text were thinking about the Trinity, that’s our later understanding of it… Elohim were most probably angels.
Or it’s the majestic plural. Quoting myself:

So what’s up with Genesis 1:26 and 'adonai and 'elohim? One explanation is that these are not syntactic plurals (in context, they do not really mean “gods” or “my lords”), but intensive plural, a plural of majesty or impressiveness. Are you familiar with the royal ‘we’ (where instead of ‘I’, the speaker uses ‘We’ instead)? It is assumed that this is the case here with number 1: although the form is plural the one referred to or who is speaking is singular. The plural of intensity denotes a single object or individual but adds a connotation of greatness to the referent. As I’ve mentioned: both 'adonai and elohim, by the face of it is plural and masculine (the latter for example has the plural ending -im), but the construction is usually singular when referring to the Israelite God, so we have phrases like “'anokhi YHWH 'Eloheyka” ‘I ('anokhi is first person singular), YHWH, am your Elohim’.
 
I always thought it was a reference to the Holy Trinity, but it could have been a reference to the Angels, as they are portrayed to be very human-like in appearance.
 
In Hebrew, the angels are referred to as Cherubim and Seraphim, depending on their rank. Elohim is strictly reserved for God in this passage, later understood in the form of the Trinity. God later reveals his true identity as YHWH to Moses, which translates to “I AM”
In an ancient Israelite context there was yet no fixed idea of the choirs of angels as we do today. Cherubim were envisioned pretty much like the guardian genii of Ancient Near Eastern iconography, which could take the forms of winged humans or winged beasts (sphinxes, griffins, etc.) and who functioned as the gods’ steeds and bodyguards.

Seraphim is a term meaning “the burning ones.” The term malach Yhwh “messenger of Yhwh” (traditionally “angel of the LORD”) is more often applied to one who relays God’s words to humans, often (but apparently not always) appearing in human form to do so.





 
I always thought it was a reference to the Holy Trinity, but it could have been a reference to the Angels, as they are portrayed to be very human-like in appearance.
Angels are not equal in power to God regarding the creation of the first two humans.
 
Angels are not equal in power to God regarding the creation of the first two humans.
I know, but I meant physical image; they don’t have a physical image, but Jesus was man and angels are portrayed to look like man. Otherwise, there is no way an angel is close to being as powerful as God
 
In an ancient Israelite context there was yet no fixed idea of the choirs of angels as we do today. Cherubim were envisioned pretty much like the guardian genii of Ancient Near Eastern iconography, which could take the forms of winged humans or winged beasts (sphinxes, griffins, etc.) and who functioned as the gods’ steeds and bodyguards.

Seraphim is a term meaning “the burning ones.” The term malach Yhwh “messenger of Yhwh” (traditionally “angel of the LORD”) is more often applied to one who relays God’s words to humans, often (but apparently not always) appearing in human form to do so.

http://www.ancientreplicas.com/eagle-diety-o.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_FOIrYyQawGI/Sdvj4ZP2OTI/AAAAAAAABnk/39HsBlLBuLk/s400/CherubimArtifact.jpg

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These Seraphim look like mecha… :eek: Look at all these pulleys and mechanical joints, especially the wrists… :eek: No wonder people’s imagination went wild to the point of “postulating”, if it’s rightful to be call it a “postulation” that Ezekiel saw an alien vessel 😃
 
These Seraphim look like mecha… :eek: Look at all these pulleys and mechanical joints, especially the wrists… :eek: No wonder people’s imagination went wild to the point of “postulating”, if it’s rightful to be call it a “postulation” that Ezekiel saw an alien vessel 😃
Indeed. That Eagle Seraphim reminds me of an anime called RahXephon :rotfl:
 
The Hypothesis #1 “God is speaking to members of his heavenly council” (aka Angels) is also my opinion on this, since there’s apparently no mention of the use of the majestic plural in Ancient Hebrew.

Also, agreed with Explanation #5 “comes from commentators who hold to minimalist, deconstructionist, evolutionary views of biblical religion. They do not take seriously the rigorous anti-pagan, anti-mythological theology in Genesis and the rest of the Bible. Their approach is actually unhistorical, for they impose personal skeptical unbeliefs on the Text while ignoring the Text’s internal witness”. This is further supported by the anti-myth nature of the text. Also, although it is true that the israeliste folks worshipped other gods, this worship was mostly limited to domestic idolatry, so it’s very unlikely that the people who wrote the sacred texts (the israelite elite: priests, prophets, etc.) would write it that way.

And finally, for explanation #6, the ancient Hebrew writers didn’t know about the trinity, although this seems to be an interesting point: "In later history, Israel’s prophets envisioned a “Lord” (Adon) who sat beside God as vice-regent; an image enacted materially by the Davidic kings who sat on God’s throne in Jerusalem.

This imagery of God-and-his-Lord comes from two primary Hebrew texts: Psalm 110:1 and Daniel 7:9-14. And both passages are central to Yeshua’s self-identification as God’s Lord, and to the apostles’ apologetic about Yeshua (Matt 22:41-46; 26:63-65; John 17:3; Acts 7:55-56; Eph 1:20-23; 1 Tim 5:21; 6:13; Heb 1:2-3)."
 
These Seraphim look like mecha… :eek: Look at all these pulleys and mechanical joints, especially the wrists… :eek: No wonder people’s imagination went wild to the point of “postulating”, if it’s rightful to be call it a “postulation” that Ezekiel saw an alien vessel 😃
Blame the Assyrians for their rather outlandish portrayal of muscles. And I’ll warrant that’s supposed to be a wristband. 😃

William Albright once wrote a two-page article on the cherubim in the Biblical Archaeologist in 1938. Since it is brief enough, I’ll quote it in full (from here):

What Were the Cherubim?
By W. F. Albright

Today we think of a cherub as a tiny winged boy, following the tradition of Renaissance artists. This conception was directly borrowed from pictures of Graeco-Roman “loves” or Erotes, familiar to us from the excavations of Pompeii. The actual appearance of the cherubim of the Old Testament was already forgotten before the time of Christ, and Josephus (first century A.D.) says that “no one can tell what they were like.”

Since the veil of the Tabernacle was decorated with embroidered cherubim, and the walls and the religious objects of Solomon’s temple lavishly adorned with them. we ought to be able to identify them in contemporary Syro-Palestinian art. The account of the Ark of the Covenant shows that only a creature with wings can be considered. If, therefore, we study all known representations of animals and hybrid creatures, partly animal, we find one which is much more common than any other winged creature, so much so that its identification with the cherub is certain: that is the winged sphinx or winged lion with human head. In Egypt the wingless sphinx and the griffin appear; in Babylonia and Assyria the winged bull with a human head prevails; but in Syria and Palestine it is the winged sphinx which is dominant in art and religious symbolism.


King Hiram of Byblus seated upon his cherub-throne, tenth century B.C.
The God of Israel was often designated as “He who sitteth (on) the cherubim” (I Sam. 4:4, etc.). The conception underlying this designation is well illustrated by representations of a king seated on a throne supported on each side by cherubim, which have been found at Byblus, Hamath, and Megiddo, all dating between 1200 and 800 B.C. One shows King Hiram of Byblus (period of the Judges) seated upon his cherub throne. Pottery incense altars found at Taanach and Megiddo are archaeological parallels to the wheeled lavers (“bases”) of Solomon’s temple, which were decorated with lions and cherubs, according to I Kings 7:36.

The primary function of the cherub in Israelite religious symbolism is illustrated by two biblical passages. A very ancient hymn, found twice in the Bible, has the words, “And He rode upon a cherub and did fly” (I Sam. 22:11 [2 Sam. 22:11], Ps. 18:11 [English, Ps. 18:10]); the second is Ezek. 10:20. The conception of the deity as standing or as enthroned on an animal or hybrid creature was exceedingly common in the ancient Near East, but it was most common in Syria and Northern Mesopotamia between 2000 and 700 B.C. In Babylonia the figure of a deity is replaced in certain cases by a winged shrine and later by a thunderbolt. So in Israelite symbolism between 1300 and 900 B.C., the invisible Glory (Jehovah) was conceived as enthroned upon the golden cherubim or standing on a golden bull.

For a more recent, more in-depth study, I think Alice Wood’s Of Wings and Wheels: A Synthetic Study of the Biblical Cherubim would be a good one.
 
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