Genesis 18: 23-30

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Abraham stepped forward and said, "Will you really destroy the upright with the guilty?

24 Suppose there are fifty upright people in the city. Will you really destroy it? Will you not spare the place for the sake of the fifty upright in it?

25 Do not think of doing such a thing: to put the upright to death with the guilty, so that upright and guilty fare alike! Is the judge of the whole world not to act justly?"

26 Yahweh replied, “If I find fifty upright people in the city of Sodom, I will spare the whole place because of them.”

27 Abraham spoke up and said, "It is presumptuous of me to speak to the Lord, I who am dust and ashes:

28 Suppose the fifty upright were five short? Would you destroy the whole city because of five?" “No,” he replied, “I shall not destroy it if I find forty-five there.”

29 Abraham persisted and said, “Suppose there are forty to be found there?” “I shall not do it,” he replied, “for the sake of the forty.”

30 Abraham said, “I hope the Lord will not be angry if I go on: Suppose there are only thirty to be found there?” “I shall not do it,” he replied, “if I find thirty there.”

31 He said, “It is presumptuous of me to speak to the Lord: Suppose there are only twenty there?” “I shall not destroy it,” he replied, “for the sake of the twenty.”

32 He said, “I trust my Lord will not be angry if I speak once more: perhaps there will only be ten.” “I shall not destroy it,” he replied, “for the sake of the ten.”

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Do you think there was at least one righteous person in those towers on 911?

If you read on, God directed the righteous to move out before bringing down his wrapth.

If you look back on Noah, then God removed, protected the righteous there from the flood.

But, we do have examples in real life, like Katrina, Big Thompson Flood were righteous and unrighteous people died in these diasters.

The claim that God always removes the righteous before judgement is exactly the thinking behind the Rapture doctrine.

But, do we see that as always true in real life? NO.
 
Do you think there was at least one righteous person in those towers on 911?
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If you read on, God directed the righteous to move out before bringing down his wrapth.
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If you look back on Noah, then God removed, protected the righteous there from the flood.
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But, we do have examples in real life, like Katrina, Big Thompson Flood were righteous and unrighteous people died in these diasters.
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The claim that God always removes the righteous before judgement is exactly the thinking behind the Rapture doctrine.
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But, do we see that as always true in real life? NO.
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Perhaps the difference is that we currently have no Abraham to ask Him to do so . . . no Noah prepared to save the faithful remnant . . .
 
St_Benedict said:
Abraham stepped forward and said, "Will you really destroy the upright with the guilty?

24 Suppose there are fifty upright people in the city. Will you really destroy it? Will you not spare the place for the sake of the fifty upright in it?

25 Do not think of doing such a thing: to put the upright to death with the guilty, so that upright and guilty fare alike! Is the judge of the whole world not to act justly?"

26 Yahweh replied, “If I find fifty upright people in the city of Sodom, I will spare the whole place because of them.”

27 Abraham spoke up and said, "It is presumptuous of me to speak to the Lord, I who am dust and ashes:

28 Suppose the fifty upright were five short? Would you destroy the whole city because of five?" “No,” he replied, “I shall not destroy it if I find forty-five there.”

29 Abraham persisted and said, “Suppose there are forty to be found there?” “I shall not do it,” he replied, “for the sake of the forty.”

30 Abraham said, “I hope the Lord will not be angry if I go on: Suppose there are only thirty to be found there?” “I shall not do it,” he replied, “if I find thirty there.”

31 He said, “It is presumptuous of me to speak to the Lord: Suppose there are only twenty there?” “I shall not destroy it,” he replied, “for the sake of the twenty.”

32 He said, “I trust my Lord will not be angry if I speak once more: perhaps there will only be ten.” “I shall not destroy it,” he replied, “for the sake of the ten.”

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Me thinks Benedict had a particular point in mind when he posted this in Eastern Catholicism, which perhaps was lost here.
 
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Perhaps the difference is that we currently have no Abraham to ask Him to do so . . . no Noah prepared to save the faithful remnant . . .
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That was my first thought too. Furthermore, a righteous person killed in, say, the Twin Towers would be on his way to Heaven-- hardly a catastrophe for him! In Abraham’s day, on the other hand, they had little to no conception of a Heavenly afterlife. The righteous expected to go down to gray Sheol along with everyone else. Men were supposed to be righteous and obey God just because he was God, without any concrete reward to look forward to in the next world. (I think. Please correct me if I’m wrong.)
 
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