Genesis Account, not literal

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Gorgias said:
And, by “literal”, it means literal sense (which means “the intent of the human author”), not “the literal words on the page taken as a literal narrative.”
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Yes, we read scripture as to what the author intended to say, guided by Tradition and the Magisterium, until recently.
 
What is it that makes new understanding about the authors’ intents suddenly evil and contradictory? Tradition necessarily starts somewhere.

Jesus also promised to send us the spirit to reveal things to us in time – so if we are revealed things now as opposed to some other time, who are we to judge God’s timing?

I suggest you read “An Essay in the Development of Christian Doctrine” by John Henry Newman. Great read, maybe will give you some insight.
 
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What is it that makes new understanding about the authors’ intents suddenly evil and contradictory? Tradition necessarily starts somewhere.

Jesus also promised to send us the spirit to reveal things to us in time – so if we are revealed things now as opposed to some other time, who are we to judge God’s timing?

I suggest you read “An Essay in the Development of Christian Doctrine” by John Henry Newman. Great read, maybe will give you some insight.
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There was Eve taken from Adam, now there is not.
 
buffalo said:
For the umpteenth time - Gen1 is an account of the order of creation. Gen 2 is the importance of man. They are complementary.
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But if you want us to take them as literal historical accounts, and they don’t agree with one another, aren’t you really telling us – by calling them “complementary” – that they really are figurative?

How can they be both literal and contradictory?
 
Pretty optimistic to think that a billion Catholics were at Mass last Sunday!
 
Gorgias said:
How can they be both literal and contradictory?
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Perspective. Gen1 is from God’s perspective, Gen 2 from man’s.

Two guys see an accident. One remembers the direction and speed of the cars. The other remembers their colors. They both recount the accident happened. In the end we have complementary information.
 
For thousands of years Catholics understood from Scripture, Tradition and Magisterium that Eve was taken from the side of the sleeping Adam. All of a sudden, she wasn’t and Adam and Eve didn’t exist.
 
Perhaps they did exist, but not in the sense you believe. Would that be so crazy?
 
buss0042 said:
Perhaps they did exist, but not in the sense you believe. Would that be so crazy?
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Here is how it went with science.

First they had MtDNA Eve and Y Chromosome Adam as the two individuals we are all descended from. They lived a few hundred thousand years apart

Now MtDNA Eve and Y Chromosome Adam were contemporaries but didn’t know each other.

Next thing ya know - science will say they lived in the same village.

See the convergence to Catholic teaching happening?
 
You are equivocating a development of exegesis with “science.” They stand apart from each other.
 
buffalo said:
Now MtDNA Eve and Y Chromosome Adam were contemporaries but didn’t know each other
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I’ve missed that. I thought it was still believed that they were not contemporary. Can you link for me?
 
Thank you. Excellent.

Not necessarily contemporaries, mind you, but both alive within the same 57,000 year timespan, according to this study. Perhaps not surprising that they probably didn’t know each other.
 
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Not necessarily contemporaries, mind you, but both alive within the same 57,000 year timespan, according to this study. Perhaps not surprising that they probably didn’t know each other.
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Much closer now than before, eh? Next thing ya know…

and since those dates overlap, they might have lived together.
 
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buffalo said:
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Gorgias:
How can they be both literal and contradictory?
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Perspective. Gen1 is from God’s perspective, Gen 2 from man’s.

Two guys see an accident. One remembers the direction and speed of the cars. The other remembers their colors. They both recount the accident happened. In the end we have complementary information.
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That’s a nice try, but you still have the problem that God remembers the car’s color as ‘blue’, while man remembers it as ‘red’. If the Bible is inerrant, one cannot be wrong… but it must be.

Try again. 😉
 
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