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Hi everybody,

I just watched another of the countless Holocaust documentaries I’ve seen in my life, and I’m still apalled that it happened. Regarding the question of how could a God allow something like this to happen, I side with the argument of free will. Men had free will to cause this and free will allowed it to happen.

Although it is easy for me to say here and now, I’m always shocked how those around these atrocities didn’t stand up and do something about it. However, genocide still happens today and at the moment I’m doing nothing to prevent it.

Where in the world is this happening right now? Is there a way we can prevent it? I’d like to generate some discussion on this. Regardless of your religion, please reply to this. Let’s not focus on how God could allow this, but instead lets talk about we using our free will can do something about it.

Take care,
Korbin
 
Fear keeps some people from trying to prevent or stop genocide.

Those committing the mass genocide murders far out number/strength those who might want to help.

And governments around the world allows the largest genocide to happen and they make it Legal:eek: its called—ABORTION—:mad:

To stop genocide, the root cause must first be addressed, then peoples from all faiths and governments and races and ethnic backgrounds must come together with the one goal of stopping this slaughter:thumbsup: Can we as a people do that:confused:
 
I think that anyone who believes in a God who sanctioned what Joshua did at Jericho will have trouble dealing in an effective way with genocide, to say nothing of those who read all those blood-thirsty psalms. I am reading Steven Pinker’s book “The Better Angels of our Nature”. I have not finished, but most highly recommend the first third at least as a thought-provoking and evidence-based account of the decline (yes - decline!) in violence since the Middle Ages.
 
Read “The Black Book of Communism” and you will see that it happened quite a lot. Also read “Bloodlands–Europe Between Hitler and Stalin.”
 
One question I have to ask anyone who brings this type of question up is: What makes you think God wouldn’t allow this kind of thing to happen?

I mean really? Why do you think He wouldn’t?
 
Calgar said:
One question I have to ask anyone who brings this type of question up is: What makes you think God wouldn’t allow this kind of thing to happen?

I mean really? Why do you think He wouldn’t?
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I understand why God would not stop this sort of thing. It is why he would actually encourage it that should make believers wonder.
 
God allows free will, and so humans suffer the consequences of their own decisions.

We just have to trust in God that justice will be served.
 
Calgar said:
One question I have to ask anyone who brings this type of question up is: What makes you think God wouldn’t allow this kind of thing to happen?

I mean really? Why do you think He wouldn’t?
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Please continue, why wouldn’t he.
 
State-sponsored atheism (Satanism per Pastor Richard Wurmbrand) spawned by Russia was the instigator of more genocidal slaughter in the twentieth century than in all human history. This was prophesied by Our Lady of the Rosary in her Fatima, Portugal appearances in 1917. Our Lady’s statement was, " God wishes to establish in the world devotion to my Immaculate Heart." This would demand that souls themselves emulate the Immaculate Heart, drawing people closer to God. Our Lady requested that the Bishops, led by Peter, in their respective cathedrals, at one time, solemnly and publicly, consecrate Russia to her Immaculate Heart for the conversion of that nation; and as the “only” means to a period of peace. “Only” means sole means. This was not done as requested although multiple consecrations have been performed. As various consecrations have been done to date, there is no impediment to further consecrations that will singularly identify and invite the Immaculate Heart to convert Russia. Otherwise, she stated, Russia was the instrument of God’s chastisement. Russia’s mass starvation of the Catholic farmers of the Ukraine started in 1929, the same year Our Lady returned to Fatima seer Sister Lucia to formally ask for the consecration.

Russia instigated World War II by signing a non-aggression pact with wildly bellicose Germany and Japan, hoping to stay aloof and then swoop in and spoil the nations of the world after they had all been crippled by war. This was foiled by Hitler’s invasion of Russia. So the Ukraine genocide of millions targeting Catholics and the German Holocaust targeting Jews and Catholics were the prelude to further diverse genocide, whether from the spread of Communism or the spread of amorality as in legalizing abortion, with Communist Vietnam’s abortion rate shows she is now leading the abortion holocaust (although birth control is free).

Our Lady of the Rosary asked that all Catholics “pray the daily Rosary for peace.” Free Rosary CD’s are available at the Mary Foundation for those needing help. Those priests at the foundation of St. Maximillian Kolbe in Japan who said they were living the Fatima message, which included five First Saturday Confession, Mass and Communion, and 15 minutes of meditation on the life of Christ after Mass and the daily Rosary, survived the atomic bomb detonated within one mile of their untouched, simple frame house and lived into their eighties. This is what we can do to prevent genocide: devotedly honor the Immaculate Heart in obeying her requests; and urging further consecrations of Russia.

Every time I see one of those stirring World War II movies I have to stop myself. All this could have been avoided. Every time I see documentaries on the German Holocaust I have to stop myself. All this could have been avoided. Every time I see one of those 9-11 memorials I have to stop myself. All this could have been avoided.

Here’s a link to the Voice of the Martyrs website. This was founded by Bishop Sheen’s friend, Pastor Richard Wurmbrand, who wrote the wonderful book, Marx & Satan that shows the satanic, not economic, intent of the Communists from their own writings.
persecution.com/public/volunteer.aspx

“Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.” --Jesus Christ
Let us remember, in Iran’s threat of genocide, that Russia sold nuclear materials to this nation in May of 2004.

Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us now and at the hour of our deaths. AMEN
 
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This was founded by Bishop Sheen’s friend, Pastor Richard Wurmbrand, who wrote the wonderful book, Marx & Satan that shows the satanic, not economic, intent of the Communists from their own writings.
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Really? He shows Marx has satanic intent? Even though he did not believe in Satan?
 
Stalin may well have denied that the devil exists, but that does not mean that to be true any more then I can “deny” that trees exist in the forest,both beliefs would be wrong.

The devil will use even non-believers (sometimes even believers) to do his evil bidding.

After all, the single greatest trick up the “sleeve of the devil” is his ability to convince people he does Not exist.
 
Stalin - atheist
Pol Pot - atheist
Timothy McVay - atheist
Mao Z. - atheist

These guys are responsible for more death and destruction than any theist that I can think of. And the list is much longer if anyone is interested.

Also, nobody is telling me why they think God wouldn’t allow pain and suffering.

I was never told that life was going to be sunshine and lollypops. I don’t know who started that idea.
 
We had a really interesting discussion about this sort of thing in a history class I took last year. We were talking about crimes against humanity in WWII, from Holocaust to Japanese crimes. I hadn’t known how brutal the Japanese were to the Chinese. One major event, the Rape of Nanjing (sometimes Nanking), though I don’t think it was actually categorized as genocide, was horrific. It wasn’t all rape; there were many other horrific things besides that that the Japanese army did to the Chinese people. We read it book excerpt about it. Then we had a big discussion. My teacher said that when there is pressure to do something wrong, only 1 in 10 people will do the right thing. The Japanese army had a code of behavior full of pressure, right back from the samurai times. For example, if a Japanese samurai failed, he was expected to commit suicide rather than face shame. So there was a lot of pressure on these Japanese soldiers to kill civilians because they were commanded to.

I think what we need is to increase that 1 in 10 statistic to a greater one. If only people were more courageous, we wouldn’t have to put up with genocide. Perhaps we can pray that the holy Spirit will give courage to people facing difficult issues like these all around the world.
 
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Also, nobody is telling me why they think God wouldn’t allow pain and suffering.
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Um - because he is all-powerful and all-loving? Why would a being like that create a system in which animals suffered for hundreds of millions of years before people evolved and sinned?
 
Calgar said:
You’re inventing a god in your own image now? I thought you were a non-believer?

The Holy Bible has a few more descriptions of God.
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Well, I don’t think I am all-loving or all-knowing; age is helping with the former, and Wikipedia with the latter, but there is a long way to go.
 
Hokomai said:
Well, I don’t think I am all-loving or all-knowing; age is helping with the former, and Wikipedia with the latter, but there is a long way to go.
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What I mean is: you are saying that God is all loving and thats the end of it.

Quite frankly you sound like a lot of Christians that I know. “My god would never do this or that.” Well, you’ve just invented your own god.
 
Korbin said:
Hi everybody,

I just watched another of the countless Holocaust documentaries I’ve seen in my life, and I’m still apalled that it happened. Regarding the question of how could a God allow something like this to happen, I side with the argument of free will. Men had free will to cause this and free will allowed it to happen.

Although it is easy for me to say here and now, I’m always shocked how those around these atrocities didn’t stand up and do something about it. However, genocide still happens today and at the moment I’m doing nothing to prevent it.

Where in the world is this happening right now? Is there a way we can prevent it? I’d like to generate some discussion on this. Regardless of your religion, please reply to this. Let’s not focus on how God could allow this, but instead lets talk about we using our free will can do something about it.

Take care,
Korbin
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Sometimes genocide is a GOOD thing. When God does or allows it, there is always a good purpose. Remember, God is good, whatever he does is good. I’m sure he had good reasons for drowning infants in the Deluge.
 
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