Geocentric Universe?

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buffalo said:
You know me. The frown was indicating sarcasm.

I really have a hard time when people claim the Bible is only a book of faith and that everything related to science has to be thrown out. The claim that God is incapable in inspiring the authors to write in a simple way so that the truth can be conveyed across all ages is ludicrous. As if God didn’t know the future and what we would be up to right about now.
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So you believe in literal pillars holding up the Earth I presume?
 
buffalo said:
You know me. The frown was indicating sarcasm.

I really have a hard time when people claim the Bible is only a book of faith and that everything related to science has to be thrown out. The claim that God is incapable in inspiring the authors to write in a simple way so that the truth can be conveyed across all ages is ludicrous. As if God didn’t know the future and what we would be up to right about now.
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That’s the bottom line. The Christian evolutionist has to believe that God knew He created the universe through billions of years of evolutionary processes, but told His people the exact opposite. And that God makes foolish those of us who believe His Word - again, the exact opposite of what He told us. There is no discernment in them.
 
buffalo said:
You know me. The frown was indicating sarcasm.

I really have a hard time when people claim the Bible is only a book of faith and that everything related to science has to be thrown out. The claim that God is incapable in inspiring the authors to write in a simple way so that the truth can be conveyed across all ages is ludicrous. As if God didn’t know the future and what we would be up to right about now.
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Yes, I do know you… My key board has Pepsi freckles from spontaneous nose combustion due to certain posts.😛 I also have a file of research which is most helpful. Thank you.

Right now, I am having a really hard time keeping a balanced perspective which is why I mistook the intent. Actually, I am waiting to be named a heretic regarding my position on how the visible Church operates.😉
 
Luke65 said:
That’s the bottom line. The Christian evolutionist has to believe that God knew He created the universe through billions of years of evolutionary processes, but told His people the exact opposite.
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Why?
 
Luke_K said:
In the spirit of interest of the geocentric position, I would like to hear what your or anyone else’s explanation is of something I demonstrated earlier (post 494, page 33).

The mass of the earth can be determined regardless of its motion or lack thereof. When you calculate the mass of the earth based on the assumption that it travels around the sun, you get the same mass within substantially less than 1% error.

Is this just a coincidence?
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Is it a coincidence that we can’t prove whether Tycho (“taken broadly”) or Copernicus (“taken broadly”) is right? Is it a coincidence that we can’t prove whether we got here by billions of years of evolutionary processes or Special Creation a few thousand years before Christ was born? Is it a coincidence that we can’t prove whether or not God even exists? Is it a coincidence that we have to make a free will decision as to which view we will hold by faith? No, these are not coincidences: life is a test, and I pray that you will pass it, and I hope you will do the same for me.
 
Luke65 said:
Is it a coincidence that we can’t prove whether Tycho (“taken broadly”) or Copernicus (“taken broadly”) is right? Is it a coincidence that we can’t prove whether we got here by billions of years of evolutionary processes or Special Creation a few thousand years before Christ was born? Is it a coincidence that we can’t prove whether or not God even exists? Is it a coincidence that we have to make a free will decision as to which view we will hold by faith? No, these are not coincidences: life is a test, and I pray that you will pass it, and I hope you will do the same for me.
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You believe God was born of a virgin, became a man, walked on water, raised the dead, turned water to wine, read people’s thoughts, calmed the sea and winds, was transfigured, was cruicifed, died, then rose, walked through walls, ascended to Heaven on His own, can give us His body and blood today in bread and wine, etc:

Uh huh…, this is good. Fine fine.

You believe it’s possible that the sun can revolve around the earth:

YOU’RE CRAZY!!!

Sorry, I just don’t get the anomosity against those that believe Geocentrism is possible. There have been some pretty heated insults hurled. Can someone please explain what the fear is?
 
tjm190 said:
So you believe in literal pillars holding up the Earth I presume?
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You should know better than that. However, exactly what was the author getting to? What does pillars mean?

It is raining cats and dogs outside.
 
jam070406 said:
You believe God was born of a virgin, became a man, walked on water, raised the dead, turned water to wine, read people’s thoughts, calmed the sea and winds, was transfigured, was cruicifed, died, then rose, walked through walls, ascended to Heaven on His own, can give us His body and blood today in bread and wine, etc:

Uh huh…, this is good. Fine fine.

You believe it’s possible that the sun can revolve around the earth:

YOU’RE CRAZY!!!

Sorry, I just don’t get the anomosity against those that believe Geocentrism is possible. There have been some pretty heated insults hurled. Can someone please explain what the fear is?
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The atheists would have to bow to God. Can’t have that.
 
jam070406 said:
Right! I understand that.

But what of the Catholics that seem so opposed to the idea?
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This is a huge paradigm shift for many of us. I was very surprised to learn that there were geocentrists. I was shocked to learn that it cannot be proven either way. It took me a while to get used to the possibility, for I was taught differently for most of my life.

There is a huge commitment to relativity by the science establishment. There is even a bigger commitment to acentrism by materialists.
 
jam070406 said:
Right! I understand that.

But what of the Catholics that seem so opposed to the idea?
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I couldn’t care less if the Earth were to rotate around the sun, except that God has revealed the truth of the matter to us through His Church - that is what I care about.
 
jam070406 said:
You believe God was born of a virgin, became a man, walked on water, raised the dead, turned water to wine, read people’s thoughts, calmed the sea and winds, was transfigured, was cruicifed, died, then rose, walked through walls, ascended to Heaven on His own, can give us His body and blood today in bread and wine, etc:

Uh huh…, this is good. Fine fine.

You believe it’s possible that the sun can revolve around the earth:

YOU’RE CRAZY!!!

Sorry, I just don’t get the anomosity against those that believe Geocentrism is possible. There have been some pretty heated insults hurled. Can someone please explain what the fear is?
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All of those miracles of Jesus were what testified to his Divinity, because only God can suspend the laws he has set in the universe.

In order to recognize miracles or other supernatural events which fall outside of the common course of nature, we must know natural causes extremely well. Otherwise, we may falsely recognize a natural event as being miraculous or not recognizing an apparently natural event as being miraculous.

Geocentrists want us to believe that no one can really know to any substantial degree of certainty whether the planets obey the mathematically and empirically established laws that direct the common course of nature.

Basically, they believe that Jesus’ walking on water was miraculous because he defied the laws of gravity. But every planet and star in the universe does this too so maybe what Jesus did wasn’t so big of a deal? 🤷
 
jam070406 said:
Sorry, I just don’t get the anomosity against those that believe Geocentrism is possible. There have been some pretty heated insults hurled. Can someone please explain what the fear is?
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There is no fear, it is just obviously incorrect.
 
cassini said:
See Charles, you bring the truth down to human reasoning on small bodies orbiting larger bodies. In other words you conclude THIS because of THAT. This is AN ASSUMPTION. ASSUMPTIONS are not science and do not prove anything so the core earth/sun question has not been proven either way. Of course geocentricism does not comply with your heliocentric ASSUMPTIONS, but that is taken for granted. Now you, Pope John Paul II and all the other human reason over faith Copernicans can chose what you like, but ASSUMPTIONS apart, I chose God’s omnipotence to create what HE said in the Scriptures He created.
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I don’t assume anything, i have a 10" Meade i can SEE the moons orbiting Jupiter, i can SEE the shape of Andromeda. Again, give me ONE example of larger massed object orbiting a smaller massed object.
 
Luke65 said:
I couldn’t care less if the Earth were to rotate around the sun, except that God has revealed the truth of the matter to us through His Church - that is what I care about.
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Well… then science has shown your church is incorrect.
 
buffalo said:
This is a huge paradigm shift for many of us. I was very surprised to learn that there were geocentrists. I was shocked to learn that it cannot be proven either way. It took me a while to get used to the possibility, for I was taught differently for most of my life.

There is a huge commitment to relativity by the science establishment. There is even a bigger commitment to acentrism by materialists.
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Would you be shocked to learn science does not actually “prove” anything. Science has shown that the idea that the sun orbits the earth is obtuse.
 
Originally Posted by tjm190 forums.catholic-questions.org/images/buttons_khaki/viewpost.gif
So you believe in literal pillars holding up the Earth I presume?
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tjm190 said:
If we are not to disregard anything in scripture that contradicts scientific observations, then we must accept that the Earth stands on literal pillars.
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Why?

First of all. It isn’t necessary to apply the “mutually exclusive or” to every line in each of the 72 books of the Bible. Second, the Bible is not written as a single string of interesting observations or a single string of theories or a single string of scientific information or a single string of dance tunes or a single string of anything at all. Neither is it a line of dominoes waiting to fall as soon as a single verse gets debated.
Third, and this is only a suggestion, instead of mining verses, one should look at context and purpose. Fourth. The Bible can be summarized by John 3: 16 & 17. The 72 books form a tapestry of many threads. Fifth. The misuse of Divine Revelation should be avoided by both evolutionists and creationists. Sixth. Forget it. My apology for thinking that there are people who understand “both / and.”
 
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