Geocentrism

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Volodymyr_988 said:
sungenisandthejews.blogspot.com/2007/07/sungenis-smears-bishop-continues-to.html

splcenter.org/blog/2007/08/17/anti-semitic-leader-rebuked-by-catholic-bishop/

cufblog.org/?p=273

sungenisandthejews.blogspot.com/2008/02/bishop-rhoades-sets-record-straight_21.html

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Read them . The bishop of his diocese has never sanctioned him or told others not to listen to him–sorry nice try—give me a quote from a Bishop or other Church authority saying his writing are problematic. Your assertion was that he was in trouble with his Bishop. Prove it or retract!!!
 
Mister_De said:
You mean would I admit it in “real life”? Not anymore. Not because I’m embarrassed about it or anything. I’m just sick of getting into debates and arguments. I don’t have any problem letting people know though. I’m very vocal.
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I know what you mean.
 
Matter of fact the only thing that was written was on Sungenis’ web site. Saying that he personally met with the Bishop and Vicar General, and Sungenis voluntarily removed some writings.
 
Fine, I retract. I admit that the earth is a flat sheet made up with 4 corners that is held up by pillars. The 7 planets all revolve around the earth in perfect circles and if you sail too far west or east you’ll fall off the face of the earth and be eaten by the Kraken.

Since I have been “alpha-maled” I’m going to respond to the Geocentrism

answersingenesis.org/tj/v15/i2/geocentrism_review.asp

answersingenesis.org/tj/v15/i2/geocentrism.asp

This one deals with him specifically:

evolutionpages.com/pink_unicorn.htm

“But neither is holding to the plain error of geocentrism any help to the faithful. Frankly, most people don’t care. The majority of people who come across Sungenis’s bunkum will see it as that. But since Sungenis represents himself as a master apologist for the Catholic Church, then it’s the Catholic Church that gets smeared with the buffoonery. It’s certain that Sungenis causes scandal and damages the Church’s reputation amongst the faithful and unbelievers because of his insistence on this scientifically wrong and theologically unimportant point. It is appalling science, poor apologetics and abysmal evangelism.”
 
Volodymyr_988 said:
Fine, I retract. I admit that the earth is a flat sheet made up with 4 corners that is held up by pillars. The 7 planets all revolve around the earth in perfect circles and if you sail too far west or east you’ll fall off the face of the earth and be eaten by the Kraken.

Since I have been “alpha-maled” I’m going to respond to the Geocentrism

answersingenesis.org/tj/v15/i2/geocentrism_review.asp

answersingenesis.org/tj/v15/i2/geocentrism.asp

This one deals with him specifically:

evolutionpages.com/pink_unicorn.htm

“But neither is holding to the plain error of geocentrism any help to the faithful. Frankly, most people don’t care. The majority of people who come across Sungenis’s bunkum will see it as that. But since Sungenis represents himself as a master apologist for the Catholic Church, then it’s the Catholic Church that gets smeared with the buffoonery. It’s certain that Sungenis causes scandal and damages the Church’s reputation amongst the faithful and unbelievers because of his insistence on this scientifically wrong and theologically unimportant point. It is appalling science, poor apologetics and abysmal evangelism.”
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LOL TELL US HOW YOU REALLY FEEL ABOUT GEOCENTRISM AND BOB SUNGENIS:cool:
 
Wait, isn’t the universe infinite? How can something infinite have a center?!
 
What is really interesting about this debate is how attached we all are to heliocentrism. Geocentrism is a paradigm shift of immense proportions that most of us cannot accept. The point is that until we can travel outside our own frame of reference we will not know. So it becomes a worldview issue.

This worldview applies to many other things, too.
 
The last time I looked the astrophysicists were saying that observations showed an equal amount of matter in all directions from the earth. Whether this is merely a limitation of observational technology or not is questionable. In the final analysis it doesn’t mean anything one way or another. Unless perhaps if you are looking for an excuse for overweening vanity.

Matthew
 
Heliocentrism is the idea that the Universe centers around Sun.

Geocentrism is the idea that the Universe centers around the Earth.

In a strange way, both are true.

As the Universe is limitless, it cannot be defined in a geometric way. As in, were I to draw a circle, it would not take much to mathematically deduce it’s center as the circle itself has a finite structure (it’s circumference.) As the Universe is not structured in finite terms (no circumference, edge, end, etc,…) ANY point within it posesses the same `position’ characteristics as any other point.

As an Earth Science teacher, astronomer and most importantly Catholic, I find it most heartening that Science caught up with the Church here. Science shows the structure, the Church shows the purpose. The fact the God has deigned to create us, involove himself with us, and make us His heirs here in this place makes THIS `point’ in the Universe (Earth/Sun) certainly take on the purpose of center.

Certainly, this has been my own thought. Worthy of duscussion?

Your turn. 🙂
 
drafdog said:
The last time I looked the astrophysicists were saying that observations showed an equal amount of matter in all directions from the earth. Whether this is merely a limitation of observational technology or not is questionable. In the final analysis it doesn’t mean anything one way or another. Unless perhaps if you are looking for an excuse for overweening vanity.

Matthew
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I would posit that it is a limitation in our observational technology.

To Edmund:

Yes, the Earth revolves around the Sun which revolves around the center of the Milky Way.

But, since it seems that there is an anthropic principle built into the universe, the design of the universe is geocentric. Because, God designed the universe for us, that doesn’t mean that we are in the middle of the universe though. Each minute particle, distance, temperature are designed by God to hold us in material existence. There is no contradiction between Faith and Science.
 
Volodymyr_988 said:
I would posit that it is a limitation in our observational technology.

To Edmund:

Yes, the Earth revolves around the Sun which revolves around the center of the Milky Way.

But, since it seems that there is an anthropic principle built into the universe, the design of the universe is geocentric. Because, God designed the universe for us, that doesn’t mean that we are in the middle of the universe though. Each minute particle, distance, temperature are designed by God to hold us in material existence. There is no contradiction between Faith and Science.
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It makes sense to me that the earth orbits the sun, because most other solid objects orbit their suns. (unless someone knows otherwise)

So why shouldn’t ours? It seems the common way.

On the other hand, the earth could be special.
 
This thread is embarrassing.:rolleyes: Leave science to the scientists, folks.
 
Volodymyr_988 said:
I would posit that it is a limitation in our observational technology.

To Edmund:

Yes, the Earth revolves around the Sun which revolves around the center of the Milky Way.

But, since it seems that there is an anthropic principle built into the universe, the design of the universe is geocentric. Because, God designed the universe for us, that doesn’t mean that we are in the middle of the universe though. Each minute particle, distance, temperature are designed by God to hold us in material existence. There is no contradiction between Faith and Science.
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It’s not an observational limitation, so much as a physical one. The universe has a finite age, 13.7 billion years, and the speed of light is also finite. No matter how good the technology gets, we will never be able to see anything further away than 13.7 billion light years. Information simply cannot travel faster than the speed of light.

But this discussion is rather silly; as others have pointed out, Earth is the theologically significant center of the universe; whether it is the physical center, if the universe can even be defined to have a center, is besides the point. And technically the earth doesn’t revolve around the sun, and the sun doesn’t revolve around the earth; they both revolve around their respective center of mass… this is just a consequence Newton’s Law of gravitation!
 
It seems to me that there are people on CAF with a real agenda to turn threads into anti-Sungenis frenzies. People should stay on topic and act in a Christian manner.
 
Mister_De said:
I do.

Geocentricism - unproven.
Heliocentrism - unproven.

Tradition and scripture supports Geocentricism.
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O really? Would you like to lanch a sattelite to, lets say, Uranus based upon Geocentricism. Up to the challenge?
 
fatima1917 said:
O really? Would you like to lanch a sattelite to, lets say, Uranus based upon Geocentricism. Up to the challenge?
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Instead of being snippy, why don’t you prove Heliocentrism to everyone reading. Scientists can’t do it, but I bet you think you can.

I won’t be holding my breath…
 
Mister_De said:
Instead of being snippy, why don’t you prove Heliocentrism to everyone reading. Scientists can’t do it, but I bet you think you can.

I won’t be holding my breath…
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Scientists have already proved heliocentrism. The words are: Saturn, Pioneer 10 and 11, gravity assist, and astrophysics. Real rock solid physics not the kook fringe physics of geocentrism.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Traj_pjm.png
 
Volodymyr_988 said:
Since I have been “alpha-maled” I’m going to respond to the Geocentrism

answersingenesis.org/tj/v15/i2/geocentrism_review.asp

answersingenesis.org/tj/v15/i2/geocentrism.asp

This one deals with him specifically:

evolutionpages.com/pink_unicorn.htm
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Perhaps one of the most convinicing arguments against geocentrism is found in the last link:
"A star field with a radius of 14 billion light years and a mass 3x10^27 times that of the earth rotating around the earth once a day and wobbling with a amplitude of 186 million miles at an angle of 23.5 degrees annually is an untenable dynamical system in Newtonian mechanics "
 
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