Getting married to a non-believer

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Apparently you didn’t read my post about the definition of it, and therefore this argument doesn’t make any sense.

You are defining it incorrectly. NEVER used the words obedience or subservient. I defined the word “Sub mission” for what it means, which is beautiful, and lifts up the woman…NOT oppresses her in any way.

The man has the harder task here, not the woman. It’s a shame you wouldn’t want her to allow you to love her. Cause that’s what sub mission means.
 
Great stories, ha!

Obviously, mixed can work, and I think it’s great to see it seems to be for some here.

It’s nice to see some not like my extended family.

Thanks for sharing!

Take care,

Mike
 
You put it out on a public forum, for public comment. I can comment if I want to.

You defined the terms incorrectly. When I corrected the definition, you still insisted in a mistaken definition and asserting a point that didn’t make sense. My “commentary” on it being a shame was to show the incorrect understanding you had of the term.

and instead of actually addressing the discussion, you say “stop talking”.

Couldn’t it POSSIBLY be you being called to more? to a more beautiful understanding of marriage the way Christ instituted it? as an image of His love for the church-- to grow and purify and sanctify each other?

no… huh? just stop talking.
 
Sub-mit: Sub=under. Mission. To place herself under the mission.
Merriam-Webster Dictionary: Submit: To yield oneself to the authority or will of another.
You defined the terms incorrectly. When I corrected the definition, you still insisted in a mistaken definition and asserting a point that didn’t make sense. My “commentary” on it being a shame was to show the incorrect understanding you had of the term.
It’s kind of hard to have a meaningful dialogue with someone when they make up their own definition of the topic being discussed.
 
Again, I wasn’t discussing your marriage “in depth”. I was correcting your understanding of a definition (you are the one who brought your marriage into it as an example, so therefore opening it up to " business")
 
How sad.

Sub-mit: Sub=under. Mission. To place herself under the mission.

The husband’s mission is to love his wife as Christ loved the church. Love means to will the good of the other person (which is heaven). Christ loved by dying. So the husband’s job is to get his wife to heaven even if it kills him. Her job is to allow him to do that.

I’d gladly submit to my (future) husband in this because I know he cares about my soul first and it is safe with him.
That is a weird way of defining the word “submit”.

Especially since that isn’t the actual definition you would find in the dictionary.

I don’t see the word “mission” anywhere in the dictionary definition.

The synonyms of “submit” are “yield” and “back-down” and “cave-in” and also “obey”.

Plus…isn’t there something about the husband and wife submitting to each other?

Love is self-sacrificing and it’s not one-sided.

I submit myself to Christ. I definitely don’t “back-down” or “cave-in” to everything my husband says…especially if he is wrong. I especially do not “obey” anyone except Christ.

“Obey” is definitely another way to use the word “Submit”.
 
That is a weird way of defining the word “submit”.

Especially since that isn’t the actual definition you would find in the dictionary.

I don’t see the word “mission” anywhere in the dictionary definition.

The synonyms of “submit” are “yield” and “back-down” and “cave-in” and also “obey”.

Plus…isn’t there something about the husband and wife submitting to each other?

Love is self-sacrificing and it’s not one-sided.

I submit myself to Christ. I definitely don’t “back-down” or “cave-in” to everything my husband says…especially if he is wrong. I especially do not “obey” anyone except Christ.

“Obey” is definitely another way to use the word “Submit”.
Submitting is Submission.
 
That is a weird way of defining the word “submit”.

Especially since that isn’t the actual definition you would find in the dictionary.

I don’t see the word “mission” anywhere in the dictionary definition.

The synonyms of “submit” are “yield” and “back-down” and “cave-in” and also “obey”.

Plus…isn’t there something about the husband and wife submitting to each other?

Love is self-sacrificing and it’s not one-sided.

I submit myself to Christ. I definitely don’t “back-down” or “cave-in” to everything my husband says…especially if he is wrong. I especially do not “obey” anyone except Christ.

“Obey” is definitely another way to use the word “Submit”.
It’s not a “weird” way. This is how the church teaches what that word means when used in this context.
 
It’s not a “weird” way. This is how the church teaches what that word means when used in this context.
I completely disagree. I don’t think that is the way the Church teaches…especially since I’ve never seen anyone use the word “mission” in relation to the word “submit”.

I’m sacramentally married and I know exactly how marriage works.

I don’t obey my husband. I don’t submit to my husband. I only submit myself to Christ.
 
I completely disagree. I don’t think that is the way the Church teaches…especially since I’ve never seen anyone use the word “mission” in relation to the word “submit”.

I’m sacramentally married and I know exactly how marriage works.

I don’t obey my husband. I don’t submit to my husband. I only submit myself to Christ.
How your marriage works is probably not “exactly” like anyone else’s marriage working.

Read Theology of the Body-- he explains Eph 5 in detail.

youtube.com/watch?v=-CZJtoTJJRM

I didn’t say anything about obey.

I really honestly have no idea why this is so difficult or offensive. Its beautiful and honoring of women.
Submission… under / mission
 
How your marriage works is probably not “exactly” like anyone else’s marriage working.

Read Theology of the Body-- he explains Eph 5 in detail.

youtube.com/watch?v=-CZJtoTJJRM

I didn’t say anything about obey.

I really honestly have no idea why this is so difficult or offensive. Its beautiful and honoring of women.
Submission… under / mission
That’s not what it means to everyone though.
 
How your marriage works is probably not “exactly” like anyone else’s marriage working.

Read Theology of the Body-- he explains Eph 5 in detail.

youtube.com/watch?v=-CZJtoTJJRM

I didn’t say anything about obey.

I really honestly have no idea why this is so difficult or offensive. Its beautiful and honoring of women.
Submission… under / mission
I have no idea what the problem is either but it’s apparent you would be better off letting the subject drop. You can explain things to people but you can’t understand it for them.
 
The fact supposed Catholics on a Catholic forum are having a hard time accepting Catholic teaching on marriage should be enough to demonstrate to the OP of one of the issues of marrying an unbeliever. If you marry an unbeliever, how can you guarantee their understanding of marriage will be holy?
 
I married an agnostic. To be honest, I really don’t know many of any fully practicing male Catholics. I could find ones that went to Mass, but not ones that would encourage or understand a fully faithful life.
My agnostic husband fully respects my beliefs. His own moral beliefs and opinions fall much more on the Catholic side than any other faith or belief system.
I actually listen to alot of Catholic media on my phone (on speaker), and he is completely fine with it. We pray at home, the meal blessing, some of the Rosary (I don’t do a full rosary with my son yet), etc. Our child goes to Catholic school.
I can’t think of any of my religious practices that have been inhibited or not encouraged because of his agnosticism.

The ‘catch’ is, that he was already like that when I started dating him. Marriage didn’t change anything about who he is and how he treated me.

So, if you find yourself with a nonbeliever, you really have to take into account just exactly how it will effect your married life as he is. He might not try to inhibit your religious practices, but will his own beliefs lead him to live a way that you aren’t capable of following? NFP? Life issues? etc?
 
So if the OP is still reading this, lest there be nothing but bickering for him/her to read, maybe I can summarize and add something. This, and other threads show a division on the issue of “is it a bad idea for a Catholic to marry a non-Catholic”. You could probably draw a line, indicating the spectrum of how intensely one practices their faith, or how strongly one believes that the Catholic faith is the the ONE TRUE faith. And the further down the line you get…the more intensely practiced, or the more strongly the belief of the Catholic faith being the one true faith, the STRONGER the belief that marrying outside of that faith is a bad idea. You will find more “moderate” (I hate that word, but you know what I mean) Catholics in belief and practice will be less wary of interfaith marriages. But it’s not just about whether people think it’s a good or bad idea, in practice, the stronger/more intense a person’s attachment to their faith is, the bigger the struggles/marital issues.

Think about it. If you believe that you are truly hurting yourself, and truly risking your soul by choosing to use birth control, or by missing Mass on a Sunday, or then there is a strong possibility that these things will become major issues in your marriage. Even further, if you truly believe that the Church is necessary for salvation, then it will potentially be a source of great worry and heartbreak to watch your children be torn between two faiths, or watch them get conflicting messages about faith from the two people they trust the most. On the other hand, if you don’t feel so strongly about those things, or if you feel like Catholicism is right for you, but not necessarily right for everyone, then you won’t have as much worry and heartbreak or stress. And furthermore, if you like to call yourself Catholic, but don’t particularly believe the Church’s teachings, and think of it more as a cultural thing, then even further, you will have less stress in your marriage.

But here’s the problem - which one of those are you? Are you the intense Catholic, the moderate/average Catholic, or the cultural Catholic? Yes, but which one will you be when you have children and is it possible that you will shift a bit when you become responsible for those dear souls that you will love more than your own life? It is hard to predict! Many people become more religious after they have children, and find themselves in struggles with their spouses that they never expected before they shifted their views.

And being a cultural Catholic only, doesn’t ensure that there are no struggles. My purely cultural Catholic sister in law recently expressed to me that it has been difficult being married to a Methodist (not practicing) husband and trying to get the kids to receive their sacraments. She doesn’t even want to go to church every Sunday, and she doesn’t care about things like birth control and other moral issues. But she said that when it was time to deal with the struggles of getting the kids to their sacramental prep classes, and whatever other little things that satisfied her need to be connected to Catholicism, she never had the assistance or support of her husband, who simply didn’t care about those things.

So even people who are minimally connected to their faith can experience some difficulty, but the stronger your connection, the harder it is to deal with interfaith issues. So naturally, if you are thinking ahead, and haven’t yet fallen for a non-Catholic, your best bet is to seek out other Catholics as romantic interests. It is true that sometimes God calls us to marry someone from a different religion, and it is true that sometimes the mixed faith marriage leads to a conversion to Catholicism, and that sometimes even when it stays mixed, and even when the spouses are religious, it all works out swimmingly. But these are the exceptions. And that is why the church technically doesn’t just allow mixed faith marriages. They are technically NOT allowed, until a couple is given express permission from their bishop to be an exception to the rule. Nowadays, that permission seems to be given out rather freely, but do be aware, that it is still considered to be an exception to the norm in the Church.
 
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