Getting the Cold Shoulder

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I think she’s trying to keep her distance, because she’s a single female. You’re married.
This.

You have a wife and several children…focus on them, not on how some other woman feels about you. Perhaps do a bit of honest questioning of your motives as to why this matters so much that you post about it? You should be busy enough between work and home to not give it another thought!
 
It seems to me that while she was happy to work with you, she doesnt want to become .friends’ after the project is finished. & I can understand that cause there’s a 20 year age difference! So she cant really be one of your ‘friends’. Maybe that is what she is trying to spell out. If there were not the age difference I would say the same thing, except that maybe there were/are also some things about you she doesnt like. Or maybe shes a snob, but with 20 years age difference I wouldnt worry about it.
 
This.

You have a wife and several children…focus on them, not on how some other woman feels about you. Perhaps do a bit of honest questioning of your motives as to why this matters so much that you post about it? You should be busy enough between work and home to not give it another thought!
As I mentioned in my original post, I made some personal sacrifices. No one likes getting snubbed after giving something a lot of effort. One of the effects was that it cost me a promotion at work due to liberal managers who found out what I was working on and disagreed with that cause.
 
I wouldn’t take it personal. It is quite possible that the young woman feigned friendship with you simply to make working together on the projects go more smoothly and once the project work ended she no longer saw a need to keep feigning friendship with you.
I think this is quite possible. It would also have been unnecessary. All she would have needed to do was ask me to do something and I would have. In fact, just yesterday a fellow parishioner asked me to work on a fundraiser for another project and I signed up, just because she asked and it’s a good cause. I don’t know this other person well at all but I’m still doing it.

I hate to think that someone is being a phony. It’s unfortunate.
 
I think this is quite possible. It would also have been unnecessary. All she would have needed to do was ask me to do something and I would have. In fact, just yesterday a fellow parishioner asked me to work on a fundraiser for another project and I signed up, just because she asked and it’s a good cause. I don’t know this other person well at all but I’m still doing it.

I hate to think that someone is being a phony. It’s unfortunate.
This thread got me thinking about a few other recent threads about dating and how women turn down men. Obviously you weren’t pursuing this girl, but she may have interpreted your friendliness that way (many girls are taught from an early age that men are only after “one thing,”) and she may have tried to give you subtle signals before then that were missed (could be you were oblivious, or she wasn’t good at hinting, or both), so she felt she had to go to “be rude.”

Or she doesn’t have polished social skills, or doesn’t know how to have acquaintances that aren’t friends (this is surprisingly common among women in my age group - everyone is your BFF or mortal enemy). Or she heard a rumor and believed it. There are infinite possibilities for what’s going on, and based on what you’ve written you’re not going to know. It stinks, and it’s sad that what seemed an amicable relationship is over, but there’s not much to be done.
 
As I mentioned in my original post, I made some personal sacrifices. No one likes getting snubbed after giving something a lot of effort. One of the effects was that it cost me a promotion at work due to liberal managers who found out what I was working on and disagreed with that cause.
There are a few issues here.

First off, a lot of managers would have trouble with employees working on an outside project while on the clock when no one in management has approved the project. Companies legitimately feel it is their right to have (name removed by moderator)ut about what charitable work they are willing to pay employees to do as part of the charitable work of the business. Maybe your company only approves charitable work that complies with certain politics, but that is something to take up with those in a position to approve or disapprove charitable work on the job. There is no right for every political view to be approved equally.

Second, if you decided to put in work on a church or other Christian charitable project while you were on the clock, that isn’t the fault or responsibility of the project’s leader. It wouldn’t have been her place to ask you to work on the church’s project while someone else is paying you, and it isn’t on her head if you decided it was OK to do that. That decision was yours. Don’t make it out to be something that makes her beholden to you.

Third, while it is natural to want recognition by the leader of a project after the project is done, one would still hope you did the work and made the sacrifices for the sake of the project, and not for the sake of forging a friendship based on a sense of gratitude from a woman you cannot date or marry. If she treats everyone this way, then yes, by human nature she’s going to find it harder and harder to get help for her projects. If she only keeps distance from men with whom she does not think a close friendship is seemly, though, that is actually a good thing. Many marriages have suffered from people outside the marriage who were not so careful to avoid stirring up feelings with no legitimate outlet.

None of our brothers and sisters in Christ ought to snub us. Under normal circumstances, if they know us, they ought to act like it, and if they don’t know us, then they ought to be willing to get to know us better. Having said that, there should not be any “in” cliques of people who have worked on projects together for the parish who expect greater closeness to each other than to everyone else. If anything, it is wise for those who work together to bend over backwards to not give the impression that the married people in the parish are cultivating special friendships with anyone except their spouse.

Now, mind you, I don’t think you’re trying to cultivate anything inappropriate with this young woman. Having said that, she may be wise to cut off any effort she senses on your part to cultivate a closeness that is closer than what is prudent or seemly. You should respect her sense of the situation, and give her room. Greet her when she greets you, but otherwise, leave her alone.
 
You’re a married man. You don’t need a friendship with a single woman 20 years younger than you. If you want more friends, go make friends with men your own age.

But since you want to know why this woman is keeping her distance, here it is: because she has more common sense than you do. No offense.
 
You’re a married man. You don’t need a friendship with a single woman 20 years younger than you. If you want more friends, go make friends with men your own age.

But since you want to know why this woman is keeping her distance, here it is: because she has more common sense than you do. No offense.
Very well-put. I don’t know if she is doing what she is doing in a graceful way, but what she is doing is more sensible than what he is trying to do. If he wants to be especially chummy with the people with whom he does parish work, he ought to stick with the Knights of Columbus.
 
Easter Joy, you are jumping to a lot of false conclusions. First, none of this took place while I was on the clock. We were trying to get an abortion provider out of our local high school. The high school notified the newspaper and give them my name address and the names of my children. That’s tell my employer found out. I agree that everything should be arms length. It always was. My problem is with outright rudeness and the possible presumption that my intent might have been improper. It was it a working relationship. There was no need for that. At any rate it’s done. I hope she doesn’t treat other volunteers like that.
 
I probably do tend to over-share verbally. She knew when my wife was ill with a life-threatening medication reaction (I asked her for prayers), and when she got pregnant, and when we had a miscarriage. I’m rather extroverted and talkative. I had texted her a copy of the positive pregnancy test because I thought it was a cool picture. After we miscarried, my wife was going to be at the church at the same time as her, and I was afraid she might congratulate my wife not knowing we had lost the baby. So I let her know beforehand to avoid a potentially embarrassing exchange. I would hope that would let someone know I’m not a threat.
This part of your post confuses me. You sent her a picture of your wife’s pregnancy test? Did your wife know that you did that? I’d be pretty ticked off if my husband sent such a personal thing to a female friend (well, any friend, really), especially so soon after finding out. We tell people about pregnancy together, and we discuss who we are going to tell beforehand. I also would not want him going around discussing a miscarriage with her. I just wonder how your wife feels about this tendency to over-share personal information. You may have made your friend rather uncomfortable, as well.

In any case, I agree with the posters who have said you really need to let it go and leave her alone. I can understand feeling hurt by someone you thought was a friend, and who is now acting rudely, but I can’t understand why it seems to bother you as much as it does.
 
Easter Joy, you are jumping to a lot of false conclusions. First, none of this took place while I was on the clock. We were trying to get an abortion provider out of our local high school. The high school notified the newspaper and give them my name address and the names of my children. That’s tell my employer found out. I agree that everything should be arms length. It always was. My problem is with outright rudeness and the possible presumption that my intent might have been improper. It was it a working relationship. There was no need for that. At any rate it’s done. I hope she doesn’t treat other volunteers like that.
My apologies…do you mean to say that you have suffered from religious discrimination while at work for causes you support while off the clock? Wow. Not that I don’t believe you, but it continues to amaze me what the ACLU-types feel entitled to do in persecution of religion that refuses to confine itself to an hour on the weekends. (I need to not get started…)

It is prudent for an unmarried woman to keep married men at arm’s length. She may have been ungraceful about how she does it, but there is a need for it if she senses any fondness from you or towards you at all.

You don’t seem to realize that even though you are too old for her and already married, she may have feelings for you or fear that you have feeling for her. It is not as if there is no precedent for an old guy finding some young thing who could be his daughter, starting an “innocent” relationship, and wind up leaving his wife and children for a new wife. It has happened, and not rarely.

Just presume her reasons are good and not bad, but whatever they are, let it drop.
 
This part of your post confuses me. You sent her a picture of your wife’s pregnancy test? Did your wife know that you did that? I’d be pretty ticked off if my husband sent such a personal thing to a female friend (well, any friend, really), especially so soon after finding out. We tell people about pregnancy together, and we discuss who we are going to tell beforehand. I also would not want him going around discussing a miscarriage with her. I just wonder how your wife feels about this tendency to over-share personal information. You may have made your friend rather uncomfortable, as well.

In any case, I agree with the posters who have said you really need to let it go and leave her alone. I can understand feeling hurt by someone you thought was a friend, and who is now acting rudely, but I can’t understand why it seems to bother you as much as it does.
“over sharing”. Yup. That was it.
Lesson learned, move on.
 
My gut instinct is that she either feels you did something to slight or insult her or she may have felt drawn to you and though it better to back off as you are a married man. If she single maybe we was getting a little jealous of you family situation. You never know what goes through people’s minds I’d let it go and move on. Be polite and civil but honor her wish to remain distant. Maybe she just didn’t feel like being friends with a married guy maybe that alone didn’t feel right to her.
 
My apologies…do you mean to say that you have suffered from religious discrimination while at work for causes you support while off the clock? Wow. Not that I don’t believe you, but it continues to amaze me what the ACLU-types feel entitled to do in persecution of religion that refuses to confine itself to an hour on the weekends. (I need to not get started…)

It is prudent for an unmarried woman to keep married men at arm’s length. She may have been ungraceful about how she does it, but there is a need for it if she senses any fondness from you or towards you at all.

You don’t seem to realize that even though you are too old for her and already married, she may have feelings for you or fear that you have feeling for her. It is not as if there is no precedent for an old guy finding some young thing who could be his daughter, starting an “innocent” relationship, and wind up leaving his wife and children for a new wife. It has happened, and not rarely.

Just presume her reasons are good and not bad, but whatever they are, let it drop.
Frankly I would find that rather weird if a married guy sent me someone thing like that. I’d distance myself from him as well. Becareful what you send people some things are for family only.
 
I am a happily married man with a large family. I met a nice young lady through some volunteer work. She is a fellow parishioner. She asked me to take on some projects, which I did. I worked hard at them and we had some successes. One of the projects was quite involved and lasted over a year. I made a lot of personal sacrifices for this project. We worked together on it, and I thought she had become my friend. Not a close friend because I will only have my wife as a close female friend, but a friend. A friend like the friends I have at work. We got a lot of stuff done and I enjoyed working with her.

When the project ended, she began to give me the cold shoulder. Shortly before it ended she backed out of it without explanation. I invited her to have dessert with my family and she looked very uncomfortable that I asked this. She declined with a lame excuse. She won’t say “Hi” back if we run into each other after Mass and I say “hello”, and acts as if she dislikes me. It’s very confusing to me, and I have no idea why she’s doing this. At any rate, since she seems to have developed a dislike for me and is uncomfortable I resolved not to try to initiate a conversation if we run into each other. But on Sunday I ran into her again, and without thinking I gave her a wave. I’m a personable guy and I wave and say hi whenever I run into someone I know. I got a scowl back, without her even making eye contact. I said a prayer for her in my heart and went on my way.

Now I realize not everyone is going to be my friend, and no one owes me anything. If that’s the way she’s going to be that’s her prerogative and I don’t want to be friends with anyone who doesn’t want to be friends with me. But it still hurts my feelings a bit, and I feel a bit used for having worked hard on a couple of projects that she asked me to work on where she acted friendly when she wanted something.

Why do people do this? Is it because I’m a married man and she’s a single female? Because I’m older? Or is it just that ultimately it doesn’t make sense so I should just forget it? Other people don’t do this to me, and I didn’t do anything different with her than I do with anyone else, with the exception of working on an important project with her. What are your thoughts?
I suspect she found herself attracted to you and wisely backed off In doing so she has done you and herself a great favor. I would suggest you take the “hint” and not try to cultivate a friendship with her.
 
There are a few issues here.

First off, a lot of managers would have trouble with employees working on an outside project while on the clock when no one in management has approved the project. Companies legitimately feel it is their right to have (name removed by moderator)ut about what charitable work they are willing to pay employees to do as part of the charitable work of the business. Maybe your company only approves charitable work that complies with certain politics, but that is something to take up with those in a position to approve or disapprove charitable work on the job. There is no right for every political view to be approved equally.

Second, if you decided to put in work on a church or other Christian charitable project while you were on the clock, that isn’t the fault or responsibility of the project’s leader. It wouldn’t have been her place to ask you to work on the church’s project while someone else is paying you, and it isn’t on her head if you decided it was OK to do that. That decision was yours. Don’t make it out to be something that makes her beholden to you.

Third, while it is natural to want recognition by the leader of a project after the project is done, one would still hope you did the work and made the sacrifices for the sake of the project, and not for the sake of forging a friendship based on a sense of gratitude from a woman you cannot date or marry. If she treats everyone this way, then yes, by human nature she’s going to find it harder and harder to get help for her projects. If she only keeps distance from men with whom she does not think a close friendship is seemly, though, that is actually a good thing. Many marriages have suffered from people outside the marriage who were not so careful to avoid stirring up feelings with no legitimate outlet.

None of our brothers and sisters in Christ ought to snub us. Under normal circumstances, if they know us, they ought to act like it, and if they don’t know us, then they ought to be willing to get to know us better. Having said that, there should not be any “in” cliques of people who have worked on projects together for the parish who expect greater closeness to each other than to everyone else. If anything, it is wise for those who work together to bend over backwards to not give the impression that the married people in the parish are cultivating special friendships with anyone except their spouse.

Now, mind you, I don’t think you’re trying to cultivate anything inappropriate with this young woman. Having said that, she may be wise to cut off any effort she senses on your part to cultivate a closeness that is closer than what is prudent or seemly. You should respect her sense of the situation, and give her room. Greet her when she greets you, but otherwise, leave her alone.
I read this post without looking to see who wrote it at first but thought “that’s excellent I wonder who wrote it” So I checked the name. We’ll no wonder, it was Easter joy. :). The reason that I read this thread at all is that I was recently given the cold shoulder treatment too and by someone whom I looked up to as a wonderful Catholic leader. I’m left to guess why because I asked this person why and received no response. I have a little advice for the op. Move on and maybe re-read Easterjoy’s post.

Pax et bonum
Annie
 
I read this post without looking to see who wrote it at first but thought “that’s excellent I wonder who wrote it” So I checked the name. We’ll no wonder, it was Easter joy. :). The reason that I read this thread at all is that I was recently given the cold shoulder treatment too and by someone whom I looked up to as a wonderful Catholic leader. I’m left to guess why because I asked this person why and received no response. I have a little advice for the op. Move on and maybe re-read Easterjoy’s post.

Pax et bonum
Annie
Just to clarify: He was NOT working on the project on office time. I improperly jumped to that conclusion, but that is not how it was. His work on the project was reported by the media, it got back to the office, and his managers didn’t like that he was working on something that was in keeping with Catholic teaching instead of their personal politics. He believes he suffered from retribution at work because of it. It hurt him to have taken such a personal hit and then to be shunned by the leader of project.

That is totally understandable, and I’m willing to believe she is handling this with a lack of grace–it is entirely possible that she is in the wrong in how she is acting. She may even be shunning him for some petty reason that we can’t know. The main thing is that he is married, and if an unmarried fellow parishioner rejects his overtures to have her socialize with the family, he has no choice but to leave her alone about it. To object is just too much of a mine field. He has no choice but to leave it alone, as disappointing as it is, and even if it is unfair.
 
Just to clarify: He was NOT working on the project on office time. I improperly jumped to that conclusion, but that is not how it was. His work on the project was reported by the media, it got back to the office, and his managers didn’t like that he was working on something that was in keeping with Catholic teaching instead of their personal politics. He believes he suffered from retribution at work because of it. It hurt him to have taken such a personal hit and then to be shunned by the leader of project.

That is totally understandable, and I’m willing to believe she is handling this with a lack of grace–it is entirely possible that she is in the wrong in how she is acting. She may even be shunning him for some petty reason that we can’t know. The main thing is that he is married, and if an unmarried fellow parishioner rejects his overtures to have her socialize with the family, he has no choice but to leave her alone about it. To object is just too much of a mine field. He has no choice but to leave it alone, as disappointing as it is, and even if it is unfair.
Yes I read that a bit later too. I believe my cold shoulder was unfair to me too but moving on and giving it no further thought is IMHO THE THING TO DO.

Annie
 
The main thing is that he is married, and if an unmarried fellow parishioner rejects his overtures to have her socialize with the family, he has no choice but to leave her alone about it. To object is just too much of a mine field. He has no choice but to leave it alone, as disappointing as it is, and even if it is unfair.
That about sums it up.
 
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