Getting the TLM

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Hi, this is pretty much my first post. I have been recently attending the TLM while visiting my Grandfather in Florida. The EF is offered probably 30 min. away from my actual home in Indiana in a bad part of town by Fr. Gabet of the FSSP. I would like to know how or what you guys suggest for me to get the TLM. I think the Parochial Vicar of my Parish would be willing to say it. He is pretty young and to what I have seen prays using Latin sometimes (Officum Divinum.) I would be willing to somehow come up with the funds for the Mass if the Church won’t and I would be more than willing to serve at it. I do not know; but, my Church has 10,000 people in it so I am sure some would be interested. Should I talk to the pastor and vicar? What should I say? How will they likely respond? Thanks! 🤷 :confused:

P.s. please pray for this cause!!

In Christ through Mary,
M.
 
First step would be to organize a group of interested folks. Set up a meeting place and time. Create a petition requesting the TLM. Get signitures. Talk to the parochial vicar to see if he would be willing to say the Mass if you can get permission. Submit a copy of the petition with a cover letter to the Pastor. (keep the original petition). Wait for his response.

If no response is forth-coming then resubmit to the Bishop with a copy to the pastor. Always be polite and up front. Never threaten or sound hostile. Be patient.

Keep the TLM group active and involved. Begin collecting items such as altar cards, vestment sets, candle sticks, altar crucifix, sanctus bells,

And have a few social hours to develop a sense of togetherness.

God Bless
 
Thanks for all the responses! I have one remaining question; how should I approach my priest about the TLM?

In Christ Through Mary,
M :blush. 🤷
 
OP I just PM’d you. I live in Fort Wayne here in Northern Indiana. At the risk of naming the various parishes and singling them out about their devotion to (or lack of) tradition, I thought I would PM you about it.
 
holyfamily1 said:
Hi, this is pretty much my first post. I have been recently attending the TLM while visiting my Grandfather in Florida. The EF is offered probably 30 min. away from my actual home in Indiana in a bad part of town by Fr. Gabet of the FSSP. I would like to know how or what you guys suggest for me to get the TLM.** I think the Parochial Vicar of my Parish would be willing to say it.** He is pretty young and to what I have seen prays using Latin sometimes (Officum Divinum.) I would be willing to somehow come up with the funds for the Mass if the Church won’t and I would be more than willing to serve at it. I do not know; but, my Church has 10,000 people in it so I am sure some would be interested. Should I talk to the pastor and vicar? What should I say? How will they likely respond? Thanks! 🤷 :confused:

P.s. please pray for this cause!!

In Christ through Mary,
M.
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He may or may not. You should ask him in a humble and charitable way. I would do that first before starting petitions or fundraisers. He has the right to refuse for any reason or no reason and you do not want to be the cause of bad feelings between him and other parishoners who may think he has to accomodate them if they ask.
 
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He may or may not. …] He has the right to refuse for any reason or no reason and you do not want to be the cause of bad feelings between him and other parishoners who may think he has to accomodate them if they ask.
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From Summorum Pontificum
Art. 5.
.1 In parishes, where there is a stable group of faithful who adhere to the earlier liturgical tradition, the pastor should willingly accept their requests
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Art. 7.
If a group of lay faithful, as mentioned in art. 5 . 1, has not obtained satisfaction to their requests from the pastor, they should inform the diocesan bishop. The bishop is strongly requested to satisfy their wishes.
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If he cannot arrange for such celebration to take place, the matter should be referred to the Pontifical Commission “Ecclesia Dei”.
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As you can see, if these faithful constitute a stable group as defined in Summorum Pontificum, the pastor should indeed accommodate their request, otherwise the bishop should, otherwise the Holy See itself is to be contacted! All of this, of course, in the unity of Christian brotherly love, without defensive or prideful behaviors which promote division rather than diversity.

I was just reading this 2008 news which I find very interesting in context: when asked by a journalist if the Holy Father wanted to see “many ordinary parishes” making provision for the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite, Cardinal Castrillon, then President of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei, said:
“All the parishes. Not many, all the parishes, because this is a gift of God. This kind of worship is so noble, so beautiful. The worship, the music, the architecture, the painting, makes a whole that is a treasure. The Holy Father is willing to offer to all the people this possibility, not only for the few groups who demand it but so that everybody knows this way of celebrating the Eucharist in the Catholic Church.”
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Great answer R_C. And this is why forming the group is the first item to accomplish. 👍
 
However, no priest can be required to say the EF. The pastor may be accommodating, but if the priest isn’t willing to say it, no one can compel him. That was my point. The associate should be approached first to find out if he is interested and/or trained before other steps are taken.

There have been examples in the past of priests who learned to say both forms, but, for whatever reason of their own, have chosen not to say the EF once ordained. I don’t think pointing to documentation or making public demands is the way to encourage those priests to change their minds.

In all things, charity and understanding go a long way.
 
Mrs_Sally said:
In all things, charity and understanding go a long way.
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I gotta agree with the recommendation to at least discuss it with the priest ahead of time. If he is willing to say a TLM the group may avoid a bunch of work and beaurocracy.

Regardless of how it is intended, a petition is sometimes interpreted as a hostile action, especially if it’s the first action.
 
Thanks for all the posts!!!

The Priest I was considering asking is pretty young (early 30s.) Would he have been instructed in seminary to learn the EF? 🤷 Our Bishop of the FW-SB Diocese is amazing!!

In Christ Through Mary,
M
 
If quotes from Summorum Pontificum are going to get throw around, one should quote the whole article for the correct context.
Art. 5. § 1 In parishes, where there is a stable group of faithful who adhere to the earlier liturgical tradition, the pastor should willingly accept their requests to celebrate the Mass according to the rite of the Roman Missal published in 1962, and ensure that the welfare of these faithful harmonises with the ordinary pastoral care of the parish, under the guidance of the bishop in accordance with canon 392, avoiding discord and favouring the unity of the whole Church.
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§ 2 Celebration in accordance with the Missal of Bl. John XXIII may take place on working days; while on Sundays and feast days one such celebration may also be held.
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§ 3 For faithful and priests who request it, the pastor should also allow celebrations in this extraordinary form for special circumstances such as marriages, funerals or occasional celebrations, e.g. pilgrimages.
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§ 4 Priests who use the Missal of Bl. John XXIII must be qualified to do so and not juridically impeded.
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§ 5 In churches that are not parish or conventual churches, it is the duty of the Rector of the church to grant the above permission.
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I agree that, in a perfect world, the EF should be offered for those who want it, when ever, where ever. However, we do not live in a perfect world. There are many factors that can/should go into the decision to add an EF Mass to what is probably already a very full schedule.

It all starts with networking. Find some like-minded people, find a priest who is interested. Start small, don’t push, ask questions and be prepared to answer them. Help make the whole experience into a learning one, for everyone involved, and not into a battle.
 
holyfamily1 said:
Thanks for all the posts!!!

The Priest I was considering asking is pretty young (early 30s.) Would he have been instructed in seminary to learn the EF? 🤷 Our Bishop of the FW-SB Diocese is amazing!!

In Christ Through Mary,
M
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Speak to the priest. He may have. No idea if the course to learn is considered an elective in seminary. I suspect it may be.

Here’s a interesting pov from Br JReducation from another thread.
We have one statement that says that the laity has a right to the EF and another that says that priests don’t have to provide the EF and that religious superiors of priests can even deny the EF, even if the priest wants to celebrate it.
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It’s very hard to secure anyone’s rights when you the provider does not have any obligation to provide. That’s like our current healthcare system. We all have a right to healthcare, but doctors don’t have an obligation to provide it unless we have insurance. One person’s rights assume another person’s duty.
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If the priest has the right to decline, if the bishop has the right to say that the introduction of an EF mass at a parish will be disruptive to the parish and that there is no free priest to celebrate an additional mass, and if the religious superior or the religious community has the right to deny the permission to celebrate the EF for the lay faithful. then lay faithful must respect those rights and accept a negative response when they ask for the EF.
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In that case, better wording would be that the lay faithful have a right to request it, not a right to get it and every diocesan priest has a right to celebrate it, as long as he does not sacrifice the parish.
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The lay faithful have the right to request it and the local parish priest must provide it if the following conditions are met, then spell out the conditions.
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I would love to see the training be required and for more priests to be willing to say it. I think if we who are interested are continually charitable, humble, and encouraging we will see more and more EF Masses become available.
 
holyfamily1 said:
The Priest I was considering asking is pretty young (early 30s.) Would he have been instructed in seminary to learn the EF? 🤷
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FSSP currently offers training to priests and seminarians both in person and in video 😃 Not too long ago they offered a free workshop in our archdiocese. Maybe more of these will be offered across the US.
 
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