Getting worn down by my mother repeatedly violating boundaries again

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Some of you might remember that I made the decision to go No Contact with my mother, who may have a serious personality disorder, last fall after some particularly egregious behavior. In the intervening 6 months, I have slowly but steadily regained my emotional wellbeing, to the joy of my family. Without the constant lying, manipulating, and emotional abuse, I have felt such freedom and happiness, like a breath of fresh air after being suffocated. I clearly set boundaries that I would not allow to be crossed. My version of No Contact included no texting, no emails, no calls, no letters, no Facebook contact, no visits (she lives across country). My blood pressure went down, my anxiety attacks ceased entirely.
Except…despite my clear description of MY boundaries, my mother has repeatedly tried to find ways around or past them. I have respected my own boundaries by never acknowledging these attempts. Communication FROM me to her has entirely ceased, but after an initial period of silence from her, she started peppering me with communications. Granted, most of it has revolved around attempts to communicate with her grandchildren (which my husband has intercepted and not allowed to occur). But I am feeling worn down lately, and quite vulnerable, as I just had a new baby (one of the reasons she has stepped up her efforts to ignore my sabbatical from her, no doubt).
Since November, she has sent cards, gifts (which very pointedly pointed out her favorites among my children while excluding my oldest daughter…). Then at Christmas, she called and texted. She also called her ex-husband, my legally-adoptive stepdad, with whom I have a tenuous relationship, to gain access to me through him, by questioning him about why I am doing this and asking him for information and trying to paint a picture of her being persecuted (of course, that doesn’t work with him anymore since she did a real number on him, too). Since then, she has regularly tried to contact me by texting. More recently, she has tried calling different numbers to reach me. Just today, I found that somehow, my Facebook security settings had changed enough, and although I had previously unfriended her, there she was in my Friends list, and had been able to see my Facebook page and updates for more than a week. My husband had already installed various blocking apps on my cell phone, but he admitted that when he checked the blocked queue, she had been texting again and requesting to come for a visit. Next month is my daughter’s birthday, and also my niece’s birthday (she is raising my niece). She is driving down south to visit my siblings, who also moved to the Deep South in adulthood, and is bringing my niece and wants to do a tour of the South kind of visit, where she goes from my sister’s home, to my home, to my brother’s home. She has already been informed that she is no longer welcome in our home.
All of her communications have been nonchalant (as if nothing has ever happened and our relationship is just peachy keen) or petulant (pretending as if I am punishing her for some unknown reason, rather than the reality of the situation, which is just me protecting myself and my daughter from further maltreatment). Never once has she apologized or shown an ounce of remorse. Not that I ever expected an apology…but it is just more of the same manipulative behavior.
Now, thanks to you CAFers, I know that it is important for ME to respect MY boundaries, even if she never does. That is why (and how) I have learned to just not respond to her attempts at communication. That has worked well enough, but in this vulnerable post-partum time, I am very emotional and confused about how to handle the increased efforts she is making to contact me. I am struggling with self-doubt to a ridiculous degree, despite the efforts of my husband and mother-in-law to reassure me and help me remember why I have to do this (“forgetfulness” and self-blame have always been my coping mechanisms, which is exactly how she trained me to be so that I would always come back and be the one to apologize).
What can I do about this? It is a very real possibility that in a few weeks, she will show up on my doorstep uninvited from a cross-country trip, expecting to be allowed back into our house and our lives. I don’t want to wilt under the pressure, and I don’t want to lose my substantial gains in emotional wellbeing that I have made since beginning my sabbatical from her. Also, my husband has forbidden her from being here, and from contact with the kids, as a safeguard against her manipulating me into allowing her back into our lives.
I am thinking that I should change the key code for the garage. Also, I am wondering what I should do if she shows up while we are home (very likely). And I am not sure what to do about her attempts to contact me through letters, texts, and calls. And I am not sure what to do about her having access to me via Facebook.
Please, if you have any experience with abusive parents or people with personality disorders, kindly share your thoughts on what I can do or how I can handle this. I would especially appreciate any thoughts on how to deal with this emotionally and spiritually, as well.
 
My prayers are with you.

This is a very difficult situation. I have read some of your other posts in the past but I haven’t responded (if I have, I can’t remember).

My thoughts go directly to the possibility of her showing up at your doorstep. Is there anyway you may be able to get a heads up as to when she could show up? By contacting your siblings?
How is your relationship with them? Is there anyway you could figure out her travel plans without hinting your intentions?

My thinking is that you could just leave your house for awhile…maybe bring the kids to your MILs for a time…so you aren’t home when she shows up.
I would change any locks and you feel you need to change and maybe inform your neighbors to call the police if anyone suspicious shows up to the house.

Anything to keep you from being physically there while your mom tries to come over uninvited. Get a hotel if you have to…stay with other relatives…something to get you out of the house.
If this was me…my husband would be putting us up in a hotel…no questions ask…no budget to worry about…if it meant that much to me and the kids…he’d make it happen.

As for the other forms of communication…keep doing what you are doing. Your mother is not going to change. You seem to be doing a good job so far.

Personally, I’d lose Facebook. That is entirely your choice…but it’s advice I’m willing to give. I don’t miss it one bit and I find it healthier. But that is just me.
 
My heart goes out to you, I have been where you are and it is overwhelming. When I was a teenager I tried very hard to die just to get away from my parents. After a great deal of therapy, I was able to cope a little better; however, when I had children my anxiety disorder went full blown and I was unable to cope again.My father, who could get very intense, started telling me the world was doomed, that everything was about to fall apart, that this country was about to bomb that country, and another depression was coming, we were going to loose everything. After not being able to stop his rants, I cut off all ties with him for my own well being and for my marriage.

I think what you are doing is the best thing you can do for yourself. You need to seek therapy whether with a doctor or priest. My father showed up to my house, something he never did without calling. I told my husband not to let him in, but then this nagging feeling came over me, he died three weeks later. That is not to guilt you, it is to make sure you become as strong as you possible can while you are away from your mother.

I still feel bad at times for what happened, but I also think God gave me the strength to do what I needed to do for my family and for myself. If I had continued to see my father, I would have lost my mind, something I came way too close to in my life already. You can pray your way through feeling guilty, you cannot pray your way out of being crazy.

I hope you find the strength you need to do what is best for you. Your kids need a healthy mother, one you never had,
 
My prayers are with you.

This is a very difficult situation. I have read some of your other posts in the past but I haven’t responded (if I have, I can’t remember).

My thoughts go directly to the possibility of her showing up at your doorstep. Is there anyway you may be able to get a heads up as to when she could show up? By contacting your siblings?
How is your relationship with them? Is there anyway you could figure out her travel plans without hinting your intentions?

My thinking is that you could just leave your house for awhile…maybe bring the kids to your MILs for a time…so you aren’t home when she shows up.
I would change any locks and you feel you need to change and maybe inform your neighbors to call the police if anyone suspicious shows up to the house.

Anything to keep you from being physically there while your mom tries to come over uninvited. Get a hotel if you have to…stay with other relatives…something to get you out of the house.
If this was me…my husband would be putting us up in a hotel…no questions ask…no budget to worry about…if it meant that much to me and the kids…he’d make it happen.

As for the other forms of communication…keep doing what you are doing. Your mother is not going to change. You seem to be doing a good job so far.

Personally, I’d lose Facebook. That is entirely your choice…but it’s advice I’m willing to give. I don’t miss it one bit and I find it healthier. But that is just me.
All very helpful, Kelfa. Thank you.

I live across country from ALL relatives, so some of your advice I cannot take, due to that fact. But your ideas about the locks and finding out about the travel itinerary is very relevant.

I do not want to be paranoid, of course. Nor do I want to feel chased out of my home. However, this woman who was supposed to love me has tried to emotionally destroy me for decades. I need to remember that always. No matter how much I love her, she is a dangerous person for my emotional health.
 
My heart goes out to you, I have been where you are and it is overwhelming. When I was a teenager I tried very hard to die just to get away from my parents. After a great deal of therapy, I was able to cope a little better; however, when I had children my anxiety disorder went full blown and I was unable to cope again.My father, who could get very intense, started telling me the world was doomed, that everything was about to fall apart, that this country was about to bomb that country, and another depression was coming, we were going to loose everything. After not being able to stop his rants, I cut off all ties with him for my own well being and for my marriage.

I think what you are doing is the best thing you can do for yourself. You need to seek therapy whether with a doctor or priest. My father showed up to my house, something he never did without calling. I told my husband not to let him in, but then this nagging feeling came over me, he died three weeks later. That is not to guilt you, it is to make sure you become as strong as you possible can while you are away from your mother.

I still feel bad at times for what happened, but I also think God gave me the strength to do what I needed to do for my family and for myself. If I had continued to see my father, I would have lost my mind, something I came way too close to in my life already. You can pray your way through feeling guilty, you cannot pray your way out of being crazy.

I hope you find the strength you need to do what is best for you. Your kids need a healthy mother, one you never had,
Thank you Shelby sun.
Your story helped me. You have experienced several things I anticipate having to go through someday. I do not look forward to my mother’s passing, and have serious concerns about how to make sure her needs are met without exposing myself or my daughter to abuse during the elderly and end of life period. But I can only pray and hope God will guide me.
 
I have no experience with restraining orders.

That being said…is there a way you could get one against your mother?

Maybe that might be something you and your husband could look into…I only think of this because she is almost threatening to come over…despite your plain-as-day intentions to keep the no-contact rule.

Drastic times call for drastic measures.

Or you could stay home and have your husband answer the door and make it clear that he will be calling the police if she does not leave at that very instant.

I don’t know…I’m just thinking out loud here.

I think your best bet is to figure out when she will arrive and not be there when she does.
 
What can I do about this? It is a very real possibility that in a few weeks, she will show up on my doorstep uninvited from a cross-country trip, expecting to be allowed back into our house and our lives. I don’t want to wilt under the pressure, and I don’t want to lose my substantial gains in emotional wellbeing that I have made since beginning my sabbatical from her. Also, my husband has forbidden her from being here, and from contact with the kids, as a safeguard against her manipulating me into allowing her back into our lives.
I am thinking that I should change the key code for the garage. Also, I am wondering what I should do if she shows up while we are home (very likely). And I am not sure what to do about her attempts to contact me through letters, texts, and calls. And I am not sure what to do about her having access to me via Facebook.
Please, if you have any experience with abusive parents or people with personality disorders, kindly share your thoughts on what I can do or how I can handle this. I would especially appreciate any thoughts on how to deal with this emotionally and spiritually, as well.
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I am assuming you are praying for her without cease, if not start and do so and even fast for her. She needs your prayer. She isn’t in control of herself and she needs prayer for her own sake and salvation.

Maybe you can consult with your priest and ask for guidance (Jesus speaks to the priest).

If it was me because your mother seem to have similar issue as narcissism, i would talk to my children about this, but not getting into detail but perhaps presenting this as she has an illness. Make them understand that she isn’t capable to have empathy and she cans do hurtful thing, it is important not to take anything personally but we need to pray for her. Make sure that they understand they still can love her and they shouldn’t judge her.

This mental condition lead them of not being able to feel empathy for anyone, and certainly don’t understand boundaries, it is beyond they can do. Read the book people of the lie, this helped me so much to start to have compassion for these souls, truly they aren’t in control in themselves.

You will need most of all find a way to forgive her (Doesn’t mean that you have to trust her but you need to make peace with your past). Talk with your children because they don’t have the skill to deal with these strange behaviors. Again, talk with your priest to receive advice and also guidance to move past this.

I pray for you and your mother!

Unless you find a way to disappear, she will never honor your boundaries, these people don’t like to lose their face so be strong and firm.

p.s I am not a doctor please research
 
On a practical level I would suggest a couple of things:


  1. *]Get a new cell phone number, unlisted.
    *]Deactivate your Facebook page for awhile.

    I helped a friend years ago who was living with an abusive guy and who took several attempts to get away from him. He was the real bad stalker type. And my friend would cave and take him back. But during the times she was open to advice what I would tell her is that to picture yourself and your boundaries as like concentric circles starting with yourself at the center. The person who is abusive should never be allowed past the outermost boundary, because that makes it easier to get to the closer-in boundaries which are easier to break down. Pretend it’s like a huge ranch - perimeter patrol is easier than stopping someone who’s breaking down your door.

    This is allegorical perhaps in your case but try to intercept your mother at a distance - whether that’s an actual physical distance or cyber-distance.

    I read books on escaping abusers so that I could relay the info to my friend. One thing that stuck in my mind is that the best thing to do is make it impossible for them to reach you (by unlisted numbers and the like). If you pick up that phone even once, you buy at least six more weeks of harassment, this source said.

    They even suggested getting another number (the unlisted one) for your everyday use and keeping the old number, with an answering machine (or in the case of a cell phone the voice mail). Let the abuser leave their messages on the old number but don’t listen to them (because they will upset you) but keep them for evidence if they try to escalate the game. Then you can turn that over to law enforcement. Hopefully it won’t come to that but I don’t know your situation. At least it can’t hurt to know the strategies.

    A couple of books I found helpful - Gavin de Becker’s The Gift of Fear - for serious cases and to learn to trust our intuition and spot “red flags” and Dr. Susan Forward’s Emotional Blackmail for how to deal with the drama queens and other pains-in-the-rear who try to manipulate any way they can.
 
I have no experience with restraining orders.

That being said…is there a way you could get one against your mother?

Maybe that might be something you and your husband could look into…I only think of this because she is almost threatening to come over…despite your plain-as-day intentions to keep the no-contact rule.

Drastic times call for drastic measures.

Or you could stay home and have your husband answer the door and make it clear that he will be calling the police if she does not leave at that very instant.

I don’t know…I’m just thinking out loud here.

I think your best bet is to figure out when she will arrive and not be there when she does.
She has never threatened physical harm, so a restraining order is not likely to be granted (I think).
Since my husband would probablybe at work, I probably should call him first if she came here. I would only call police if my mother started trying to get in the house or making audible threats. She has not laid a hand on my since I was 17. Well, she has, but not a violent one. More like creepy unwanted touches when she was able to corner me. Which she could not do through a door or wall.
She has never shown violent tendencies, just a complete disregard for how to treat a human being with respect.
 
I agree with the others:
Change all phone numbers, deactivate Facebook and change all locks and codes she might know.
Stay strong, know that you can and will handle this. If not for your own sake, for the sake of your children. Remember the stories of moms who lift cars off their babies? This is your car and you can lift it! 🙂
I also wonder if you have contact with anyone who has contact with her? I would say it would be great to know for sure if/when she will show up. Perhaps there can be a seed planted through them that you will not even open the door to her. Would she care if it turned into a scene? Like, if you had to call the police? Or would she enjoy that "persecution’?
I am sorry that you are dealing with this. There is a lot going on in my own family and I know how hard it is to not get sucked into a cycle of drama. Boy, do I hate the drama, I’m sure you do too.
O Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to you. Amen
 
I am assuming you are praying for her without cease, if not start and do so and even fast for her. She needs your prayer. She isn’t in control of herself and she needs prayer for her own sake and salvation.

Maybe you can consult with your priest and ask for guidance (Jesus speaks to the priest).

If it was me because your mother seem to have similar issue as narcissism, i would talk to my children about this, but not getting into detail but perhaps presenting this as she has an illness. Make them understand that she isn’t capable to have empathy and she cans do hurtful thing, it is important not to take anything personally but we need to pray for her. Make sure that they understand they still can love her and they shouldn’t judge her.

This mental condition lead them of not being able to feel empathy for anyone, and certainly don’t understand boundaries, it is beyond they can do. Read the book people of the lie, this helped me so much to start to have compassion for these souls, truly they aren’t in control in themselves.

You will need most of all find a way to forgive her (Doesn’t mean that you have to trust her but you need to make peace with your past). Talk with your children because they don’t have the skill to deal with these strange behaviors. Again, talk with your priest to receive advice and also guidance to move past this.

I pray for you and your mother!

Unless you find a way to disappear, she will never honor your boundaries, these people don’t like to lose their face so be strong and firm.

p.s I am not a doctor please research
I am not praying without ceasing, unfortunately, because I have tried to emotionally detach by thinking about more positive relationships and putting my emotional energy there. But when I do think of her, I pray and ask Lord Jesus to heal her and that God’s will be done in her life.
I would like to talk to my priest about this. Do you think it would be worth his time?
I believe I have forgiven her. I don’t feel anger at her. I feel profound sadness at what we both have lost through her actions.
My children are so young that my brief talks with them have been similar to what you say, but with words they can understand. My mother sent a baby quilt for my newborn. It is something she has done for each of my children. It is like her one link to a kind gift from her heart to her grandbabies. I appreciated it so much and when my oldest asked where it.came from, I told her nana wanted to be nice to the new baby. She asked no more questions. That is an example of the simple way I explain it right now.
I miss the woman my mother should have been. I have always seen her through the eyes of a loving daughter. It is so hard to acknowledge an unpleasant reality, but it has been near impossible until recently for me to acknowledge that my mother is simply incapable of love…until she made some revealing confessions last year, hoping to gain pity to keep me on the hook. But I realized she has no empathy and cannot feel or give or receive love. She only knows manipulation. That is just so very sad. She is missing the best portion of life, and has made herself persona non grata in the lives of so many loved ones.
 
Congrats on your new baby, mommamaree.

Don’t feel bad about feeling weak, remember having a baby does a number on our hormones. And although you may ‘feel’ weak, you are actually very strong. You have been facing this difficult situation and becoming so much stronger. Good job.

Now I guess we can just assume your mom is going to show up at your door. I think you have the choice of not answering. Just keep the door shut til she leaves. She may hear your kids inside, so what? She may yell to open the door, so what? She may ring the bell repeatedly, and so what? She will eventually get tired and leave. If she becomes ridiculous, you could always call the police.

Or

You could answer the door and tell her you are not interested in talking with her and that she needs to please leave. Then close the door. She will probably still be trying to talk to you, but just close it anyway.

And if possible, I think it would be helpful if you could call your husband and have him come home from work to help you. Chances are good your mom will try to get to you while he is at work.

I think if you run through these scenarios in your mind, you will feel more confident when the day arrives and she is standing at your door.

Hang in there. A lot of us have survived this kind of crazy and it DOES get easier as you begin to stand firm. And eventually, it does not consume your life.

Keep focused on your own family, that is where your energy needs to go.
 
Restraining order!

Call a lawyer and see if you can get one based on stalking or harrassment.
 
Congrats on your new baby, mommamaree.

Don’t feel bad about feeling weak, remember having a baby does a number on our hormones. And although you may ‘feel’ weak, you are actually very strong. You have been facing this difficult situation and becoming so much stronger. Good job.

Now I guess we can just assume your mom is going to show up at your door. I think you have the choice of not answering. Just keep the door shut til she leaves. She may hear your kids inside, so what? She may yell to open the door, so what? She may ring the bell repeatedly, and so what? She will eventually get tired and leave. If she becomes ridiculous, you could always call the police.

Or

You could answer the door and tell her you are not interested in talking with her and that she needs to please leave. Then close the door. She will probably still be trying to talk to you, but just close it anyway.

And if possible, I think it would be helpful if you could call your husband and have him come home from work to help you. Chances are good your mom will try to get to you while he is at work.

I think if you run through these scenarios in your mind, you will feel more confident when the day arrives and she is standing at your door.

Hang in there. A lot of us have survived this kind of crazy and it DOES get easier as you begin to stand firm. And eventually, it does not consume your life.

Keep focused on your own family, that is where your energy needs to go.
Hi newf,
I think if I was home alone if she showed up, I should not even answer the door. I know myself well enough that if I were to see her face, I would cry and invite her in and say how sorry I am and ask for forgiveness. And then I would start to wither away again as the cycle begins again.
I know I could not possible close the door in her face. I am still clinging to the hope that she might someday change (which is not likely to ever happen, from what I have learned about personality disorders in my reading these past few months). I am also still struggling to separate the person that she IS from the person that I WISH SHE WAS. I cannot look at her and not see the person I wish she was.
I think this is the number one reason why the Lord provided that my family has never been able to live in my hometown, despite our efforts to do so.
Thank you for your encouragement. It is helpful to focus upon the great strides I have made in the past 6 months, and to remember that post-partum can be a difficult time.
My mother does have a history of trying to get at me when my husband is not around. She is rather intimidated by men, especially ones that she cannot try to seduce. Consequently, my husband, who is very stable and honorable and savvy, is outside of her sphere of manipulation. She has always been far more concerned with his opinion of her than she has been of the damage she is doing to me or my oldest daughter. She waits until he is not at home before she starts in on her worst behavior. Although she has slipped up enough times and forgot about his observation of her and has said or done destructive things to us that he knows what she is capable of. So, I probably should make sure that he is on his way home as soon as I become aware of her presence in town.
Oy. I hate family drama. I hate mind games and maneuvers. It is exhausting. I refuse to play into it, or to enable it, but just having to anticipate that she will attempt it despite my opting out is enough for me to feel physically ill.
I appreciate how everyone who has responded so far has not tried to lay upon me more guilt, as if I have any control over this situation. It is so good to hear from others who have experience with this, to know that I am not crazy or cruel, but that I am just in a bad situation and I have to make some difficult decisions. God bless you all!
 
On a practical level I would suggest a couple of things:


  1. *]Get a new cell phone number, unlisted.
    *]Deactivate your Facebook page for awhile.

    I helped a friend years ago who was living with an abusive guy and who took several attempts to get away from him. He was the real bad stalker type. And my friend would cave and take him back. But during the times she was open to advice what I would tell her is that to picture yourself and your boundaries as like concentric circles starting with yourself at the center. The person who is abusive should never be allowed past the outermost boundary, because that makes it easier to get to the closer-in boundaries which are easier to break down. Pretend it’s like a huge ranch - perimeter patrol is easier than stopping someone who’s breaking down your door.

    This is allegorical perhaps in your case but try to intercept your mother at a distance - whether that’s an actual physical distance or cyber-distance.

    I read books on escaping abusers so that I could relay the info to my friend. One thing that stuck in my mind is that the best thing to do is make it impossible for them to reach you (by unlisted numbers and the like). If you pick up that phone even once, you buy at least six more weeks of harassment, this source said.

    They even suggested getting another number (the unlisted one) for your everyday use and keeping the old number, with an answering machine (or in the case of a cell phone the voice mail). Let the abuser leave their messages on the old number but don’t listen to them (because they will upset you) but keep them for evidence if they try to escalate the game. Then you can turn that over to law enforcement. Hopefully it won’t come to that but I don’t know your situation. At least it can’t hurt to know the strategies.

    A couple of books I found helpful - Gavin de Becker’s The Gift of Fear - for serious cases and to learn to trust our intuition and spot “red flags” and Dr. Susan Forward’s Emotional Blackmail for how to deal with the drama queens and other pains-in-the-rear who try to manipulate any way they can.

  1. I will definitely look into getting copies of these books. They sound very helpful.
    I currently have a blocking app on my phone that is working well (finally, we tried a couple that did not work properly at all). My husband checks and deletes the queue occasionally. I don’t even know how to access the queue. But doing it this way, without changing my numbers, has enabled me to be made aware of her intention to come down for a visit next month. With the house phone, we may have to change it to an unlisted number, as you say, because we have no way of blocking her number on it.
    Regarding Facebook, it is the only way that I have to keep in touch with all my inlaws (wonderful family). They all live 600 miles away and we all keep in touch through Facebook. I wonder if I just unfriend my mother again, and check my security settings, would that be sufficient to keep her from accessing us that way? I don’t know much about how FB works with regards to privacy…:o
    Thank you for your thoughts. This has all been most helpful for me to clarify my thinking a bit and decide what to do.
 
On a practical level I would suggest a couple of things:


  1. *]Get a new cell phone number, unlisted.
    *]Deactivate your Facebook page for awhile.

    I helped a friend years ago who was living with an abusive guy and who took several attempts to get away from him. He was the real bad stalker type. And my friend would cave and take him back. But during the times she was open to advice what I would tell her is that to picture yourself and your boundaries as like concentric circles starting with yourself at the center. The person who is abusive should never be allowed past the outermost boundary, because that makes it easier to get to the closer-in boundaries which are easier to break down. Pretend it’s like a huge ranch - perimeter patrol is easier than stopping someone who’s breaking down your door.

    This is allegorical perhaps in your case but try to intercept your mother at a distance - whether that’s an actual physical distance or cyber-distance.

    I read books on escaping abusers so that I could relay the info to my friend. One thing that stuck in my mind is that the best thing to do is make it impossible for them to reach you (by unlisted numbers and the like). If you pick up that phone even once, you buy at least six more weeks of harassment, this source said.

    They even suggested getting another number (the unlisted one) for your everyday use and keeping the old number, with an answering machine (or in the case of a cell phone the voice mail). Let the abuser leave their messages on the old number but don’t listen to them (because they will upset you) but keep them for evidence if they try to escalate the game. Then you can turn that over to law enforcement. Hopefully it won’t come to that but I don’t know your situation. At least it can’t hurt to know the strategies.

    A couple of books I found helpful - Gavin de Becker’s The Gift of Fear - for serious cases and to learn to trust our intuition and spot “red flags” and Dr. Susan Forward’s Emotional Blackmail for how to deal with the drama queens and other pains-in-the-rear who try to manipulate any way they can.

  1. I will definitely look into getting copies of these books. They sound very helpful.
    I currently have a blocking app on my phone that is working well (finally, we tried a couple that did not work properly at all). My husband checks and deletes the queue occasionally. I don’t even know how to access the queue. But doing it this way, without changing my numbers, has enabled me to be made aware of her intention to come down for a visit next month. With the house phone, we may have to change it to an unlisted number, as you say, because we have no way of blocking her number on it.
    Regarding Facebook, it is the only way that I have to keep in touch with all my inlaws (wonderful family). They all live 600 miles away and we all keep in touch through Facebook. I wonder if I just unfriend my mother again, and check my security settings, would that be sufficient to keep her from accessing us that way? I don’t know much about how FB works with regards to privacy…:o
    Thank you for your thoughts. This has all been most helpful for me to clarify my thinking a bit and decide what to do.
 
Restraining order!

Call a lawyer and see if you can get one based on stalking or harrassment.
Does this meet the requirement for either offense, though?

I dunno…as much as this is very difficult for me right now, I don’t know that a restraining order would even be helpful for me. I am confused and sad right now, but I am not living in fear.

What could a restraining order do?
 
I will definitely look into getting copies of these books. They sound very helpful.
I currently have a blocking app on my phone that is working well (finally, we tried a couple that did not work properly at all). My husband checks and deletes the queue occasionally. I don’t even know how to access the queue. But doing it this way, without changing my numbers, has enabled me to be made aware of her intention to come down for a visit next month. With the house phone, we may have to change it to an unlisted number, as you say, because we have no way of blocking her number on it.
Regarding Facebook, it is the only way that I have to keep in touch with all my inlaws (wonderful family). They all live 600 miles away and we all keep in touch through Facebook. I wonder if I just unfriend my mother again, and check my security settings, would that be sufficient to keep her from accessing us that way? I don’t know much about how FB works with regards to privacy…:o
Thank you for your thoughts. This has all been most helpful for me to clarify my thinking a bit and decide what to do.
You can actually block users on Facebook, not just unfriend them. I would suggest this for your mother – blocking her would prevent her from re-friending you, from seeing your page, from sending you any messages, etc.

Here’s the Facebook help page on blocking users: facebook.com/help/290450221052800/

Also, double-check your privacy settings and make sure everything on your FB page is set to friends-only.
 
I am not praying without ceasing, unfortunately, because I have tried to emotionally detach by thinking about more positive relationships and putting my emotional energy there. But when I do think of her, I pray and ask Lord Jesus to heal her and that God’s will be done in her life.
I would like to talk to my priest about this. Do you think it would be worth his time?
I believe I have forgiven her. I don’t feel anger at her. I feel profound sadness at what we both have lost through her actions.
My children are so young that my brief talks with them have been similar to what you say, but with words they can understand. My mother sent a baby quilt for my newborn. It is something she has done for each of my children. It is like her one link to a kind gift from her heart to her grandbabies. I appreciated it so much and when my oldest asked where it.came from, I told her nana wanted to be nice to the new baby. She asked no more questions. That is an example of the simple way I explain it right now.
I miss the woman my mother should have been. I have always seen her through the eyes of a loving daughter. It is so hard to acknowledge an unpleasant reality, but it has been near impossible until recently for me to acknowledge that my mother is simply incapable of love…until she made some revealing confessions last year, hoping to gain pity to keep me on the hook. But I realized she has no empathy and cannot feel or give or receive love. She only knows manipulation. That is just so very sad. She is missing the best portion of life, and has made herself persona non grata in the lives of so many loved ones.
Yes of course, you can consult your priest and you should. I remembered asking a priest to receive a confession from me. He took the time, and after hearing me, he asked to meet me because he understood that i was in a bad shape and i needed help. So please go see him, Jesus is always there for us, he will speak through him to you.

I am happy that you are starting to realize that your mother is incapable of love under this condition if she has it, but gosh prayer is so powerful. So yes pray for her when you think of her. I don’t know if she has this severe condition but if she does, these types of people can be so cruel emotionally, that when you are an empathy like you, it is beyond torture to witness their cruel gesture. Not to count that they totally dislike compassion and they will put you down or mock you for this. Pray to be strong. You have done wonderful and you didn’t lose your sense of compassion.

I hope you find a way to raise your family peacefully.

Blessings to you and your family!
 
Does this meet the requirement for either offense, though?

I dunno…as much as this is very difficult for me right now, I don’t know that a restraining order would even be helpful for me. I am confused and sad right now, but I am not living in fear.

What could a restraining order do?
A restraining order could legally require her to not contact you via any means (electronic, paper, phone, etc). Restraining orders are not just physically boundaries but any sort of boundary that is required. I would contact your local police department (the non-emergency line) and ask them for assistance in the steps to obtaining a restraining order against someone out of state. They could at least point you in the right direction where you could find out if this was possible or not.
 
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