Ghosts but no Jesus?

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This may cause some rift so please understand that this is not my intention.

I firmly believe that evil lurks in our world in many forms…I also believe that apparitions are nothing more that evil spirit floating around. Call me crazy, but I have had my share of encounters with these things. I don’t pay any attention to it but it got me thinking…

How is it that these things can make their presence known all the time but whenever I try talking to Jesus, or Mary they don’t appear? I mean I know I’d be throwing a “doubting Thomas” scenario here but a visit by them would be nice…

What do you all think?
 
anrmenchaca47 said:
This may cause some rift so please understand that this is not my intention.

I firmly believe that evil lurks in our world in many forms…I also believe that apparitions are nothing more that evil spirit floating around. Call me crazy, but I have had my share of encounters with these things. I don’t pay any attention to it but it got me thinking…

How is it that these things can make their presence known all the time but whenever I try talking to Jesus, or Mary they don’t appear? I mean I know I’d be throwing a “doubting Thomas” scenario here but a visit by them would be nice…

What do you all think?
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Are you saying that you try communing with the dead and that they “appear” to you in ghostly form? If so, I’m having a hard time believing you, and why would you be speaking with them anyway? With whom do you converse from the other side?
 
Like Jesus said to Thomas himself, “Blessed are those who do not see yet believe.”

As far as why you seem to only feel evil spirits, I can’t say for sure, but it could be a test. I just got through taking the Spiritual exercises of St. Ignatius, and he gives three or four reasons why God lets us go through desolation (where we dont feel God but we are sensitive to the devil)
  1. Its our fault, we’ve gotten lax in prayer and not taking it seriously.
  2. We’ve gotten prideful of all our spiritual achievements and we start thinking its all from us. Desolation then serves to kinda knock us down on our butts and go “Oh yeah, its not me at all!” (I need that one a lot!)
  3. Its a test. Are we mercenaries or are we patriots is what my instructor said. When the money stops do we keep fighting or do we flee? Desolation shows what kind of people we are and how deep our love actually is.
I can’t say which one fits you, but no matter what, don’t only love God for the feelings, but for his own sake, and I guarantee you he will show himself. Most likely not in some awesome overpowering way, but like with Elijah in the still small breeze.
 
anrmenchaca47 said:
This may cause some rift so please understand that this is not my intention.

I firmly believe that evil lurks in our world in many forms…I also believe that apparitions are nothing more that evil spirit floating around. Call me crazy, but I have had my share of encounters with these things. I don’t pay any attention to it but it got me thinking…

How is it that these things can make their presence known all the time but whenever I try talking to Jesus, or Mary they don’t appear? I mean I know I’d be throwing a “doubting Thomas” scenario here but a visit by them would be nice…

What do you all think?
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If you are communing with these spirits you need to be careful demons will mascaraed and will try to hurt your faith or you. If i remember correctly the church forbids people from communing with sprites.
 
Blacksword said:
Are you saying that you try communing with the dead and that they “appear” to you in ghostly form? If so, I’m having a hard time believing you, and why would you be speaking with them anyway? With whom do you converse from the other side?
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Wow, 😊

I can see this one bit me in the rear…NO i don’t commune with the dead. 😊

Forget I asked. 🤷
 
Robyn_p said:
Like Jesus said to Thomas himself, “Blessed are those who do not see yet believe.”

As far as why you seem to only feel evil spirits, I can’t say for sure, but it could be a test. I just got through taking the Spiritual exercises of St. Ignatius, and he gives three or four reasons why God lets us go through desolation (where we dont feel God but we are sensitive to the devil)
  1. Its our fault, we’ve gotten lax in prayer and not taking it seriously.
  2. We’ve gotten prideful of all our spiritual achievements and we start thinking its all from us. Desolation then serves to kinda knock us down on our butts and go “Oh yeah, its not me at all!” (I need that one a lot!)
  3. Its a test. Are we mercenaries or are we patriots is what my instructor said. When the money stops do we keep fighting or do we flee? Desolation shows what kind of people we are and how deep our love actually is.
I can’t say which one fits you, but no matter what, don’t only love God for the feelings, but for his own sake, and I guarantee you he will show himself. Most likely not in some awesome overpowering way, but like with Elijah in the still small breeze.
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Where can I find the Spiritual exercise of St. Ignatius? Sounds like something I should try.
 
ThatOrthodoxGuy said:
If you are communing with these spirits you need to be careful demons will mascaraed and will try to hurt your faith or you. If i remember correctly the church forbids people from communing with sprites.
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No I am not purposefully attempting to contact anything…I know what the Church teaches on communing with spirits…

Like I said, there IS evil and it is ever present and always trying to get us distracted and many way shapes or forms…all I’m asking is why wouldn’t Jesus or Mary do the same to help us…

I can see this one got out of hand rather quickly…😊
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Nevermind*…

And too anyone else who reads this thread…please don’t respond…it was a stupid question…🤷
 
Is there anyway to delete a thread?

I am very embarrased that I even put this thread…:eek:
 
Come on guys, she didn’t say or even seem to imply that she was communing with the dead. Some people have had paranormal experiences that were uninvited, some people have not. Being witness to some form of paranormal activity does not mean that you invoked it. Don’t pick on the OP. It’s uncharitable.

I understand your question. If we have had the experience of visibly seeing an evil, why do we not get the experience of visibly seeing the Holy Spirit? The realm of the visible and tangible is the base level of our experience. The realm of the invisible, the intangible, these are things much harder for us to relate to. We know the whole realm exists, for our very creed insists we believe in both the visible and invisible. My personal opinion is, evil attempts to persuade us by speaking to our human level.
 
Ophelia23 said:
Come on guys, she didn’t say or even seem to imply that she was communing with the dead. Some people have had paranormal experiences that were uninvited, some people have not. Being witness to some form of paranormal activity does not mean that you invoked it. Don’t pick on the OP. It’s uncharitable.

I understand your question. If we have had the experience of visibly seeing an evil, why do we not get the experience of visibly seeing the Holy Spirit? The realm of the visible and tangible is the base level of our experience. The realm of the invisible, the intangible, these are things much harder for us to relate to. We know the whole realm exists, for our very creed insists we believe in both the visible and invisible. My personal opinion is, evil attempts to persuade us by speaking to our human level.
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Thanks…😊

I was beginning to think I made a mistake bringing it up…
 
anrmenchaca47 said:
Thanks…😊

I was beginning to think I made a mistake bringing it up…
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No worries ^^ People were drawing conclusions from your post that just weren’t there XD

Like Ophelia said, the reason that “Ghosts” are far more prevalent than Holy Visions is because evil is far more… not dedicated… maybe devious would be a good for it, in trying to tear souls away from God.

It is my opinion that these sorts of apparitions are used to essentially misinform people about the afterlife, what it is, and why it’s important. They lead people to seek out information about “The afterlife” from human sources, rather than focusing on the divine sources that come from God. Where there are humans, there’s pretty much always misinformation, misunderstanding, etc.

I’ll tell you what though, if you’re really looking for a “Holy Vision” to balance out the others, go to adoration. Christ is sitting there, waiting for us to come visit, 24/7; there is no greater vision than the Eucharist, because it truly is our Lord.

God bless.
 
anrmenchaca47 said:
Where can I find the Spiritual exercise of St. Ignatius? Sounds like something I should try.
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Couple of places, for me they had a program at my local parish, and the pastor led it. You can do it on your own though. I think that Catholic Answers actually sells St. Ignatius’ book on it with a study guide, you might want to check that out. Also, there’s a website called Sacred Story. Net they have the exercises online I believe. I haven’t actually done that particular program, but I’ve heard from a couple people that its really good, but intense. You could look into that as well. There’s other websites too but that’s the only one coming to mind right now.

It’s helpful if you have a good solid priest or spiritual director to keep you on track though because seriously…there was a lot of times I was tempted to give up. But I’m glad now I didn’t. It’s really deepened my love of scripture among other things.

But I would at least get the book and read it over, St. Ignatius has a lot of good advice on discernment of spirits and all the ups and downs that come with prayer. Really helped me a lot.

Hope that gets you started in the right direction. 👍
 
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