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Medawlinno
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As for tongues, see the discussion on “glossolalia” in this same forum section.
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hn160
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The problem is that they are not German, only Germans make good theologians.
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david_patrick
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hi, well …so i have a question/ were you there by invitation from your girl friend? if so, it seems you have a good friendship with her…i proceed with that implication…
In my life, i get in these situations that feel like the twilight zone—i have to ask God" What are you up to, Lord? (even the question-must beg many answers-to prove i don’t know everything)
well, other posts do offer advice of caution…well yea be prudent…But life flows on…
Prudence is for today and tomorrow, yet life events hit us fast with accelerated pace/and -there it is again-that twilight zone…
perhaps, entering a new zone…best to protect yourself…i am sure these people are pursuasive…or try…first up…review the luminious mysteries; i like these as a sequence.
i do believe in ecumenical events/ for instance, The local Amish had an auction and a big community dinner-i took some new shoes to donate free for the Amish auction, who was raising money for their Amish school; i dropped them off at the church of God (not amish nor catholic ) /not unlike the twilight zone as America is big place with all its frreedoms/well the protestant church was open; i walked in-faced the front and bowed toward the alter, by habit -so in my heart-i told God…'i give you thanks, O lord-(for today and good people"…)
well back to that girl friend; if i understood right…-is friendship…still possible? yes affirmative, enter the twilight zone because the situation already tells me-(well i will keep that to myself) -here’s an idea-ask the Lord your next step…in fact, He just might say stay with her (who is to argue with the will of God)–i suspect that you will look back in many years, if it works that way…and reflect on it all…, despite the business of B. Hinn, the falling down, and money acquisitions (which might be faked)…nevertheless, might she become catholic ?(which if you think about it-maybe God has a plan to find his spiritual daughter a mate; to clarify, i base my statements on the power of baptismal waters-yea twilight zone)
In my life, i get in these situations that feel like the twilight zone—i have to ask God" What are you up to, Lord? (even the question-must beg many answers-to prove i don’t know everything)
well, other posts do offer advice of caution…well yea be prudent…But life flows on…
Prudence is for today and tomorrow, yet life events hit us fast with accelerated pace/and -there it is again-that twilight zone…
perhaps, entering a new zone…best to protect yourself…i am sure these people are pursuasive…or try…first up…review the luminious mysteries; i like these as a sequence.
i do believe in ecumenical events/ for instance, The local Amish had an auction and a big community dinner-i took some new shoes to donate free for the Amish auction, who was raising money for their Amish school; i dropped them off at the church of God (not amish nor catholic ) /not unlike the twilight zone as America is big place with all its frreedoms/well the protestant church was open; i walked in-faced the front and bowed toward the alter, by habit -so in my heart-i told God…'i give you thanks, O lord-(for today and good people"…)
well back to that girl friend; if i understood right…-is friendship…still possible? yes affirmative, enter the twilight zone because the situation already tells me-(well i will keep that to myself) -here’s an idea-ask the Lord your next step…in fact, He just might say stay with her (who is to argue with the will of God)–i suspect that you will look back in many years, if it works that way…and reflect on it all…, despite the business of B. Hinn, the falling down, and money acquisitions (which might be faked)…nevertheless, might she become catholic ?(which if you think about it-maybe God has a plan to find his spiritual daughter a mate; to clarify, i base my statements on the power of baptismal waters-yea twilight zone)
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Rdunbar123
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I had a friend who went to a Christian nurses convention and was asked if he didn’t want the gift of tongues . His reply was that he wanted the gift of interpretation of tongues as suggested by St. Paul . I thought that was a good answer
Without someone to interpret in their language, speaking in tongues is simply babble
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EvangelCatholic
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Would singing in tongues be considered babble? I experienced this once, many years ago at a charismatic event in a Catholic high school. While we were singing a hymn, other voices filled the assembly that seemed angelic. As with others around me, I was awe-struck.
If there is no one to interpret, then what else could it be? It may be beautiful, but speaking in tongues requires interpretation, someone who hears it in their language, as in Acts 2
*.1When the day of Pentecost arrived, they were all together in one place. 2And suddenly there came from heaven a sound like a mighty rushing wind, and it filled the entire house where they were sitting. 3And divided tongues as of fire appeared to them and resteda on each one of them. 4And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance.
5Now there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men from every nation under heaven. 6And at this sound the multitude came together, and they were bewildered, because each one was hearing them speak in his own language. 7And they were amazed and astonished, saying, “Are not all these who are speaking Galileans? 8And how is it that we hear, each of us in his own native language? 9Parthians and Medes and Elamites and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya belonging to Cyrene, and visitors from Rome, 11both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabians—we hear them telling in our own tongues the mighty works of God.” 12And all were amazed and perplexed, saying to one another, “What does this mean?” 13But others mocking said, “They are filled with new wine.” *
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grannymh
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Regarding the Holy Spirit Gift of Interpretation –
Without someone to interpret in their language, speaking in tongues is simply babble
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There are** two**, separate, distinct, individual gifts of the Holy Spirit which** employ T**ongues. As we learn from 1 Corinthians, chapter 12, it is the ministry of giving God’s message to the assembled community, using Tongues, which requires a second person with the companion Holy Spirit Gift of Interpretation.
As St. Paul describes in 1 Corinthians, chapter 14, the **second **gift which **employs **Tongues refers to a person’s private prayer to God. Of course, if one is in the habit of eavesdropping at the Sacrament of Confession/Reconciliation, then that person would relish interpreting private prayer using the Holy Spirit’s babble.
Note: Acts 2, specifically verses 5-11, describe a special manifestation of the Holy Spirit given on the day of Pentecost. This is known as a “miracle of hearing” because it is the crowd who is hearing about God’s mighty acts in their native tongues. This Pentecostal Miracle of Hearing is not mentioned in 1 Corinthians, chapters 12, 13, and 14.
I was responding to a post regarding interpretation of tongues, hence my comment, and reference to the former.
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grannymh
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Thank you for the clarification.
I have edited my post 28 to include the following general information.
Note: Acts 2, specifically verses 5-11, describe a special manifestation of the Holy Spirit given on the day of Pentecost. This is known as a “miracle of hearing” because it is the crowd who is hearing about God’s mighty acts in their native tongues. This Pentecostal Miracle of Hearing is not mentioned in 1 Corinthians, chapters 12, 13, and 14.
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grannymh
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People often use the Holy Spirit Gift of Praying in Tongues in song. One can sing privately in the Holy Spirit Gift of Tongues or one can be part of a group singing. Songs are often prayers like the hymns in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.
Note: One can also pray in Tongues without vocal sound. The process of yielding one’s speech mechanism to the Holy Spirit is used. But vocal breath is not used. When I ministered to the sick and dying in the hospital, I would offer a very quick, non-vocal prayer to the Holy Spirit because He knew the needs of the patient. In a real sense, praying in Tongues was putting myself and the whole patient situation in the hands of the Holy Spirit.
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benjohnson
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You may be onto something
http://marybirdsong.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Vatican-Pope-Resigns_Baid.jpg
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ccmcmg
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I am new to praying in tongues, but I have prayed in tongues in song. I know that some people do it purposefully during a Charismatic type Mass, but mine has been spontaneous. It does sound beautiful…much more beautiful than my ‘usual’ singing.
If you are praying in tongues, then prayerful singing in tongues (as opposed to speaking in tongues for interpretation or such) is not babble.
This is what I’m learning. If my husband is already asleep, such as last night, I prayed silently in tongues. I’ve only had this gift a few weeks, so I’m still learning. This is how I need to pray at Mass and when I’m not alone.
Praying in tongues, to my understanding, is not a gift for the elite.
During my prayer this morning (in English), it came to me why God may have given me this prayer gift. I have troubles with great distraction in prayer at times. When I pray in tongues, the distraction is much less. I’m still learning, but I will try to answer with my own experience and what I’ve learned so far.
God be praised and blessed for all the Gifts He gives us.
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EvangelCatholic
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Not to draw the topic to singing in tongues, but the impact unnerved me enough that I went to confession the day after and asked to be forgiven that I did not have the gift of tongues. I was troubled that my faith must be weak and undeveloped. The beloved prior, Fr Arthur Kreinheder’s counsel was to recognize my God-given talent of faith.
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ccmcmg
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Let me tell you: my faith is weak and undeveloped, compared to many, many of those around me, let alone of this world. But I should not compare my faith to anyone else’s. For me, personally, I don’t know that I would have been able to receive this Gift had I not opened my heart to the Lord. Is that Faith? There are far more ‘deserving’ people of the Gifts any of us have received, but none of us is deserving of His Gift of Love. But that’s why it’s a Gift…not a right. Would I be any better or worse of who I am, had I not received any of the Gifts?
Please, please please…never been jealous or envious of gifts that others receive; never feel you are more or less sinful than they are, more or less worthy. They are different perhaps than the gifts you’ve received, and I’m sure there are many things that you have or are able to do that others are not. Instead of feeling sinful, envious or jealous, look instead to your own gifts. Thank God for His Gifts. I’m so glad that Father was able to recognize your Gift. Celebrate all the Gifts He has given us.
Here are somethings I found while I was looking for the Scripture about it:
themichigancatholic.com/2012/09/scripture-dont-be-jealous-at-god%E2%80%99s-gifts-to-others/
livingbyfaithblog.com/2012/04/17/the-bible-and-jealousy-how-to-fight-the-fight-of-faith/
the-tidings.com/index.php/spiritualityliturgy/liturgy/2649-spiritual-gifts-and-jealousy
thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgcworship/2013/08/15/how-to-fight-jealousy-in-ministry/
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EvangelCatholic
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Thank you, Christina :yup:
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Missian_Alyssa
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Ask her about this passage in the Didache, it is at least historical to what the church taught back then,
11 Welcome the Teacher
11:1 Welcome the teacher when he comes to instruct you in all that has been said.
11:2 But if he turns and trains you in another tradition to the destruction of this teaching, do not listen. If he teaches so as to increase righteousness and the knowledge of the Lord, receive him as the Lord.
11:3 Act according to the precepts of the gospel concerning all apostles and prophets:
11:4 Let every apostle who comes to you be received as the Lord.
11:5 But he must not remain more than one day, or two, if there’s a need. If he stays three days, he is a false prophet.
11:6 And when the apostle goes away, let him take nothing but bread to last him until his next night of lodging. If he asks for money, he is a false prophet.
11:7 In addition, if any prophet speaks in the Spirit, you shall not try or judge him; for every sin will be forgiven, but this sin cannot be forgiven.
11:8 But not everyone who speaks in the Spirit is a prophet; only he is a prophet who has the ways of the Lord about him. By their ways will the false prophet and the prophet be known.
11:9 Any prophet who orders a meal in the Spirit does not eat it; if he does, he is indeed a false prophet.
11:10 And any prophet who teaches the truth, but does not do what he teaches, is a false prophet.
11:11 When a prophet, proved true, works for the mystery of the church in the world but does not teach others to do what he himself does, he will not be judged among you, for his judgment is already before God. The ancient prophets acted in this way, also.
11:12 But whoever says in the Spirit, "Give me money,"or something else like this, you must not listen to him. But if he tells you to give for the sake of others who are in need, let no one judge him.
Maybe someone can come up with scriptures that match the above,
Mark 6
The Mission of the Twelve
Then he went about among the villages teaching. 7 He called the twelve and began to send them out two by two, and gave them authority over the unclean spirits. 8 He ordered them to take nothing for their journey except a staff; no bread, no bag, no money in their belts; 9 but to wear sandals and not to put on two tunics. 10 He said to them, “Wherever you enter a house, stay there until you leave the place. 11 If any place will not welcome you and they refuse to hear you, as you leave, shake off the dust that is on your feet as a testimony against them.” 12 So they went out and proclaimed that all should repent. 13 They cast out many demons, and anointed with oil many who were sick and cured them.
11 Welcome the Teacher
11:1 Welcome the teacher when he comes to instruct you in all that has been said.
11:2 But if he turns and trains you in another tradition to the destruction of this teaching, do not listen. If he teaches so as to increase righteousness and the knowledge of the Lord, receive him as the Lord.
11:3 Act according to the precepts of the gospel concerning all apostles and prophets:
11:4 Let every apostle who comes to you be received as the Lord.
11:5 But he must not remain more than one day, or two, if there’s a need. If he stays three days, he is a false prophet.
11:6 And when the apostle goes away, let him take nothing but bread to last him until his next night of lodging. If he asks for money, he is a false prophet.
11:7 In addition, if any prophet speaks in the Spirit, you shall not try or judge him; for every sin will be forgiven, but this sin cannot be forgiven.
11:8 But not everyone who speaks in the Spirit is a prophet; only he is a prophet who has the ways of the Lord about him. By their ways will the false prophet and the prophet be known.
11:9 Any prophet who orders a meal in the Spirit does not eat it; if he does, he is indeed a false prophet.
11:10 And any prophet who teaches the truth, but does not do what he teaches, is a false prophet.
11:11 When a prophet, proved true, works for the mystery of the church in the world but does not teach others to do what he himself does, he will not be judged among you, for his judgment is already before God. The ancient prophets acted in this way, also.
11:12 But whoever says in the Spirit, "Give me money,"or something else like this, you must not listen to him. But if he tells you to give for the sake of others who are in need, let no one judge him.
Maybe someone can come up with scriptures that match the above,
Mark 6
The Mission of the Twelve
Then he went about among the villages teaching. 7 He called the twelve and began to send them out two by two, and gave them authority over the unclean spirits. 8 He ordered them to take nothing for their journey except a staff; no bread, no bag, no money in their belts; 9 but to wear sandals and not to put on two tunics. 10 He said to them, “Wherever you enter a house, stay there until you leave the place. 11 If any place will not welcome you and they refuse to hear you, as you leave, shake off the dust that is on your feet as a testimony against them.” 12 So they went out and proclaimed that all should repent. 13 They cast out many demons, and anointed with oil many who were sick and cured them.
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