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Charles_22
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Now you’re just being silly
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aspawloski4th
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I’m in a male body, but of a female mind. In one or another thats what I have been saying all along! Do keep insulting me! Physically male yes, but mentally, emotionally, and spiritually Im female. There it is for the record. I’ll ask this again in a shorter fashion. Why do you even care what I’m called?
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aspawloski4th
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Silly posts get silly responses.Now you’re just being silly
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Charles_22
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I said love NOT lust, Can’t you even get that straight? Is love and lust the same to you? So you may ask, why did you use the word ‘love’ then in referring to the different body? Because it is the opposite of hate (which would be closer to lust) which is the word used when speaking of that body by some of tg’s.
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aussie_jaz
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please inform me where i have insulted you.
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Charles_22
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And why do you care what I call you? I already told you my answer, because it is a lie. I personally don’t really care what you’re called, so go start another logonid and call yourself Shirley for all I care, but don’t tell me you’re male and then expect me to call you the opposite. This is a lot more than about what you wish to be called, or whether I care about it, and you know that just as much as I do.
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Charles_22
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Charles_22
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No, yours isn’t as silly as his was.Silly posts get silly responses.
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aussie_jaz
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you are talking about being drawn to the bodyform of that opposite to your own gender in a very awkward way that would very much imply you are talking of it in a sexual way which would therefore be lust
“If your body is the opposite of what you think you are, wouldn’t you be even more prone to love it (man this is going to get screwy)? I mean, if you’re really female at heart, then you would be drawn to males, which your body is”
that comment of your sounds of a sexual nature to me as you then went on speaking of not being homosexual (again bringing the sexual side of things intio it)
you werre right …very screwy
as for your comments about aspawloski …just because one hasnt yet had surgery does not make them any less of what they truly are.surgery is often not an option due to reasons including financial and medical among others.she is still a she regardless of the level of transition.
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aspawloski4th
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So you define me by the physical and thats it. How shallow, how superficial. It’s normal for most people to care what they are called, that was a very unintellegent question. There is more to a human than a physical body, that physical body doesn’t define the person.
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aspawloski4th
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Thankyou very much!
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aussie_jaz
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so im now a he am i…now who is the agitator.No, yours isn’t as silly as his was.
if you are going to refer to another poster who has had surgery as she and then another who has also had the same surgery as he ,well my friend ,that also makes you a hypocrite
as for my observing comment about the dialogue i would like to know how you could find that as an insult.what is insulting is your comment above as it is clearly saying i am male which is far from fact.
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Charles_22
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No, no, no, no, no. I wouldn’t say so many no’s if I didn’t think you weren’t trying to understand what I’m saying there. Follow the train of thought (probably best by re-reading what I said more carefully, though I told you it would be screwy, but you’re tripping up very early isn’t too encouraging), MariaCB said, as I have often heard, that tg’s hate their body. My response is, aren’t bodies supposed to be loved? Love is a decision, not an emotion or a lusting. If love were lust, then every married man, at least, would be guilty of lust, and that just isn’t so. So I am saying, love, not lust, would be most easily cultivated towards the opposite sex, would it not? So if you think your female, why would you HATE a body which is that very object? Now, realize, I am not attracted to males, and I am male, and yet I do not hate my male nody, nor other male bodies. So I was attempting to say that when tg’s make such a statement, that I imagine that they don’t literally hate their bodies, as that makes no sense, but rather hate the situation where the mind thinks the body should be something else. More difficult to say to be sure, but “perhaps” more accurate. If that is not the case, and a tg literally hates the body they have when they say such things, then why is it I can hate neither body, but they can hate their own? To hate it would be to suggest that the body is at fault and isn’t worthy of love (and I don’t mean lust). In case it still doesn’t sink in, I’m talking about the honor due a body, or love for it, not for doing things God would not approve of to it (lust). I mean I don’t go around every day saying to myself, I love my body, oh and I love all bodies, both male and female, btu ii woudl think that would be proper to all persons; a due respect. To say you hate a particular body, especially your own, doesn’t seem to give it the proper respect it deserves. But, as I say, I think it’s more about a tg wishing for cohesion between mind and body, and far less about anything resembling hate, but I’m not the one saying it either, so I ask.
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aussie_jaz
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love is about the person,lust is about the flesh…when you bring in the sex of the people/person involved and what they see it is concerning the flesh not the person.so you say they should love their body as it is of the opposite (physical)sex it is about lust
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apromisemade
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I would imagine if someone goes to the trouble to change their physical gender they would prefer to be refered to by whatever gender they chose. I, quite personally, would cater to that because it’s not like being obstinate about it and picking a fight will change anything. It would just come down to a question of manners. Making delibrately vindictive comments like that, I dunno, I just can’t see how any good could come of it.
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hyflyer64
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Me thinks we may need a monitor for this discussion.
First off TG is a general discription for CDs, TVs, DQs and TSs. The proper designation for those on this thread is TS, which I dislike because it has also been watered down by variations. I believe that most of us are or have been “true” transexuals. That is we are/were in bodies that are/were not congruant with our mental image of who we should be.
When a M2F ( turn things around for F2Ms ) states that they "hate their body, what they are saying is that they hate having the hairy, muscular, awkward body of a male. They hate the thing hanging between their legs because it does not match up to the image of what they should be. You generalize and yes your statements infer the sexual aspect, when you infer that we are attracted to the “opposite sex”. I happen to identify as a “lesbian”. I’ve never been with a man and have no real attraction to them, even though I’ve wondered what it would be like to be on the receiving end of a loving relationship.
( Did I just tip toe around that or what?? )Before I had things “corrected”, I would wear a thong when I took a shower because I couldn’t stand to see what was between my legs. It just did not belong there.
A woman does not have a penis.
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Charles_22
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There’s always the female logonid for the more immeidate purposes of this forum. I’m not entirely sure of the ramifications, but if you’re all so gung ho about us calling your mind female, then why do you not follow that yourself? Why would you even bother telling us you’re male? If your body is of no importance in this matter (not saying you said that necessarily) and it’s all so important that you be perceived as at least female in this forum (nevermind society for now) then why don’t you put your money where your mouth is and forget mentioning you have a male body? I’m not saying it’s the right or wrong thing to do here, but what’s your reasoning? I understand you can’t talk about being tg and not revealing your body being different, but despite how dishonest it “may” be to assume a female logonid and not mention your male body, thereby possibly assuring you are perceived exactly as you wish without any fuss, is it really worse than doing this as you have? You have a rather complete cover of nobody seeing you here, where you can assume a female identity, and yet you do not do it, and yet expect us to treat you as female. Is it possible that you write and think in enough male ways that you would be regarded as male even then? I’m not saying you do, but I thought you might know the answer to that question, even if I’m asking that only in a rhetorical manner.
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Charles_22
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So how do you explain that we should love our bodies, and that God loves our bodies? You might want to think more in terms of love meaning “respect”. Respecting the body is incidental to the sex, as we love (respect) the bodies partly because God made them. You’re letting your sex/lust/love thing trip you up. Perhaps you would better understand identifying how “hating” a body is inconsistent with a Christian mindset?
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aspawloski4th
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When I originally signed up I was in denial and trying to surpress my inner/real self. I’m not anymore. But a new name would mean starting all over again which with all the things on my plate , I’m just not up to. Also there is the mre fact that I hate starting anything over, which is a trait that seems universal to any related to me. Now if CAF changes things and allows name chages on the account, I will change it in a heart beat.
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hyflyer64
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Darn, I wanted to edit my post and I blew it away.
Once again, I really do think we should have a moderator on this thread. Let’s back off a bit on the personal attacks.
OK, TG is a very genral term that includes: CDs, TVs, DQs, and TSs. I dislike TS because it has also been diluted. I do believe that those on this thread could be discribed as, for lack of better words, as “true transexuals”. That is we see/saw our bodies at odds with the image we have/had of ourselves. For M2Fs, we “hate” the hairy, muscular, whatever, body that we have that belongs on a man not on a woman. Before I had things “corrected”, I would shower wearing a thong because I could not stand to see, hanging between my legs, what did not belong there. A woman does not have a penis!!
BTW, one of my dearest friends has not had corrective surgery. She is so broke that at times she’s not sure where her next meal is coming from. So for the time being, she has to put up with an enlarged “clitoris”.
(I hope I’m not using terms here that I shouldn’t be. We are all adults and I’m stating things as they are viewed by our sisters in this situation.)
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