Girl or Guy?

[aussie_jaz]

So how do you explain that we should love our bodies, and that God loves our bodies? You might want to think more in terms of love meaning “respect”. Respecting the body is incidental to the sex, as we love (respect) the bodies partly because God made them. You’re letting your sex/lust/love thing trip you up. Perhaps you would better understand identifying how “hating” a body is inconsistent with a Christian mindset?

i am of the belief that god would be more happy with me for correcting the mistakes made by nature so that i have more the whole person (including the physical) as he had intended in the first place and therefore being able to love and respect myself in mind ,body and soul.by having this done also has god seeing me for who i am inside and out and he can then love the body as more like it was meant to be
to your other comment there of being incidental to the sex how about you go back and look at what you had said regarding loving the body because it is of the opposite sex and see how what you said was concerning the flesh in a sexualised manner.

“If your body is the opposite of what you think you are, wouldn’t you be even more prone to love it (man this is going to get screwy)? I mean, if you’re really female at heart, then you would be drawn to males, which your body is”

if its so incidental then why are you talking about females being drawn to males.that statement is about the outward appearance/sex not the person

 

[hyflyer64]

Thanks to everyone who replied to my questions. I guess I know the answer now. These are really non issues for most t’g people.

Hyflyer, my comment about people living in regions where they are ridiculed was for a reason. I live in Oregon and the mayor of my city is a crossdresser, and all in all it’s really not any sort of a big deal. T/g people out here are called (and call themselves) “trannies” and I dont think anyone gives a second look or a second thought. One of the t/g people on this forum was educating me awhile ago – something to the effect of Michigan not being a very tg friendly state and Oregon being known for being a very TG friendly state. Sorry, cannnot remember who told me that but he/she seemed honest enough.

I will look for that book next time i go down to Borders. ( I go there often.) Granted I disagree with most the people here on the treatment of being t/g or intersxd I would like to thank all of you for the info you shared. Out here t’g people are really accepted so I never really gave a lot of thought to the issue.

Obviously I have not devoted years of thought to it like the people here but it has been on my mind a lot lately and I now have a greater understanding of it, and appreciate your struggles more. I wish nothing but the best for each of you in bearing this cross. Several of you have shared that society treats/treated you like freaks, I will pray that those attitudes change. Again, thanks to each of you who helped me understand this better and for answering my questions.
Rachel

Please keep in mind that presently, for most of us, surgery is the only course of action that has proven to be a viable recourse for us. Some of us are more fortunate in that we “pass” fairly well. However, I would not go around calling myself a “trannie” and would not be comfortable in public with “trannies”. I tend to keep a low profile, even here in South Florida, as far as letting people know about my background. Bit, I do have a very high profile job. I’m a flight attendant.

And… thanks for your prayers

Rachel

Xyneshia, I did want to add to my above comment. I re-read this thread and looked up you initial posts.
Given the area and invironment you live in, it’s no wonder that a person would have your opinions. When people refer to themselves as “trannies”, that is exactly what some of them are. They are people who get a kick out of dressing as woman. However, during my journey, I got to know quite a few of them. There was a place that I frequented, back in Vermont, called “TG North”, that catered to CDs,TGs and TSs. It was in a secluded area and was a safe place to “express” oneself. I mentioned to my councilor that all I saw there, were just a bunch of guys in dresses and that I didn’t feel part of them. She told me that my observation was not correct. She was correct. So far as I know, 5 of us that went there have transitioned. One gal, a self professed drag queen with her own web site, is now unrecognizable from the person that I new. She is still active in our community, but no longer has the website. She is a stunning, TALL, woman.
I got to know some of the others better and found that several just did not have the courage to transition for fear of loosing jobs, family, and friends. Most came from out of state and as they went back home, after a weekend, I saw many crying.
I picture your town as a huge “TG North”. In that setting you’ll see everything and it would be easy to conclude that it’s “just a bunch of guys in dresses”. Not so for some.
I also noted from one of your posts, that your son has autism. He is not mentally ill, is he!?
Something happened in the womb that effected his brain. For ( I really dislike this label )
“true” transexuals, it’s a similar situation. Something happens to our brain developement, in the womb. We don’t make this journey on a whim or because of a “feeling” and we do not have a mental condition. The psychiatrist that I saw, before surgery, had me take an exhaustive test that took me about 3 hours. A week later I went back and the results indicated to him that I was one of the sanest people he had dealt with in a long time. BTW, he didn’t normaly deal with TS people and had no bias one way or the other.

One last thing, what can result in someone being “banned”?? I noticed that a couple of people who posted to this thread, have been “nanned”.

 

[xyneshia]

HMMMM, not sure about the banned part, maybe some of the people who were really nasty are no longer allowed to post b/c they were so mean? I’m not the smartest or the nicest person in the world but it seems that everyone should be able to express their opinion in a way that is not hurtfull to others. Maybe the powers that be feel the same way?

I should point out that yes, some people just get a kick out of “dressing up” but most of these people it is exactly what you describe: gender Y living in body of gender X. Trannies is kind of a generic term to describe a number of different people. I didnt know it was a derogatory term or I would not have shared it, sorry.

Oregon in general is very liberal, and my town is no exception. Last time he was elected (he has served more than one term) about ten or so hate mongers from accross the country flew in and carried signs shouting hate at him. The entire town (exaggeration), male, female, young, old, Christian , agnostic et cetera had a little demonstration of their own. Men showed up in dresses (not tg’s but in support of Stu) holding signs and shouting Jesus Loves Stu. The entire town supported him, nobody cares that he has breasts or that he wears a dress. not sure what “category” he would fall under, never really cared. Nobody really should care. We showed lil’ cult that showed up that we are an accepting, loving, non-judgemental group of folk and ya know what…they flew back home!

No, I do not think of my son as mentally ill. I accept that he has an intellectual disability and that this is the road the Good Lord has set in front of him. Autism and its cause and treatments are very sensitive subjects (something you are used to I am sure). Autism affects every part of who he is, it is not a shell that can be peeled off to reveal a “normal” person underneath. Some parents I have talked to feel that autism is a shell that can be peeled off to reveal a normal child. Some of these people feel that their children were stolen from them and that they no longer have a child but an “autistic shell”. IMO those people do not deserve to be parents. harsh I know. but really, it would be like your parents saying “i dont have a child anymore, transexualism stole our child”. it would break your heart. There is no such thing as a perfect child, or for that matter a perfect anybody! In your case you have the ability, assuming you have a lot of money, to make the ‘shell’ match the person underneath. That must be a great comfort to you?

You did the right thing methinks to see a mental health specialist before undergoing GRS and I am glad that you are “sane”. It seems that transexualism is a very complicated condition (sorry cannot think of a better, happier euphamism for that word) that brings a life time of pain and doesnt really have the right cure. Seems like there are treatments and some better than others but nothing that really, totally “cures” a person. That makes me kinda angry and sad, I doubt that medical science devotes as much time to this as other equally deserving conditions. it is obvious that most of the people here believe that surgery is the best treatment. I still cannot help but feel that it is somewhat incomplete, but am starting to think that it may be the “most” appropriate treatment. I also have concerns about whether or not it would constitute “mutilation”. At the same time, if a male person really, somehow ended up in a female body, can the church really expect them not to correct the condition? Wouldnt that also be a sin, forcing a male to be “adorned as a woman” to use biblical terms. There are so many things that need to be considered. It all seems very complicated.

I will look for both of the books recommended to me when i make it to borders this week or next and read them if they are there. Wow, i just noticed how much i wrote, I better stop for now.
Rachel

 

[hyflyer64]

(1) There is no such thing as a perfect child, or for that matter a perfect anybody! In your case you have the ability, assuming you have a lot of money, to make the ‘shell’ match the person underneath. That must be a great comfort to you?

(2) You did the right thing methinks to see a mental health specialist before undergoing GRS and I am glad that you are “sane”.

(3) I also have concerns about whether or not it would constitute “mutilation”. At the same time, if a male person really, somehow ended up in a female body, can the church really expect them not to correct the condition? Wouldnt that also be a sin, forcing a male to be “adorned as a woman” to use biblical terms. There are so many things that need to be considered. It all seems very complicated.

(4) I will look for both of the books recommended to me when i make it to borders this week or next and read them if they are there. Wow, i just noticed how much i wrote, I better stop for now.
Rachel

Rachel,
Thanks for the really thoughtful and cheratible response I chose and numbered a couple of your paragraphs to respond to.

(1) I maxed out a credit card making sure that I was getting quality care and in the proper hands.

(2) Thankfully, it is a requirement by all ethical doctors that perform GRS.

(3) In one of my earlier posts, I quote a document that was sent to all bishops, in 2003, from the Vatican. Here it is again:
“An analysis of the moral licitness of “sex-change” operations. It concludes that the procedure could be morally acceptable in certain extreme cases if a medical probability exists that it will “cure” the patient’s internal turmoil.”

The next line states that recent studies indicate the opposite my be true.
I have an idea of where this may come from and it is totaly false, if proper screening was done to begin with.

(4) We need more of it. “i just noticed how much i wrote”.

Rachel

 

[aspawloski4th]

HMMMM, not sure about the banned part, maybe some of the people who were really nasty are no longer allowed to post b/c they were so mean? I’m not the smartest or the nicest person in the world but it seems that everyone should be able to express their opinion in a way that is not hurtfull to others. Maybe the powers that be feel the same way?

I should point out that yes, some people just get a kick out of “dressing up” but most of these people it is exactly what you describe: gender Y living in body of gender X. Trannies is kind of a generic term to describe a number of different people. I didnt know it was a derogatory term or I would not have shared it, sorry.

Oregon in general is very liberal, and my town is no exception. Last time he was elected (he has served more than one term) about ten or so hate mongers from accross the country flew in and carried signs shouting hate at him. The entire town (exaggeration), male, female, young, old, Christian , agnostic et cetera had a little demonstration of their own. Men showed up in dresses (not tg’s but in support of Stu) holding signs and shouting Jesus Loves Stu. The entire town supported him, nobody cares that he has breasts or that he wears a dress. not sure what “category” he would fall under, never really cared. Nobody really should care. We showed lil’ cult that showed up that we are an accepting, loving, non-judgemental group of folk and ya know what…they flew back home!

No, I do not think of my son as mentally ill. I accept that he has an intellectual disability and that this is the road the Good Lord has set in front of him. Autism and its cause and treatments are very sensitive subjects (something you are used to I am sure). Autism affects every part of who he is, it is not a shell that can be peeled off to reveal a “normal” person underneath. Some parents I have talked to feel that autism is a shell that can be peeled off to reveal a normal child. Some of these people feel that their children were stolen from them and that they no longer have a child but an “autistic shell”. IMO those people do not deserve to be parents. harsh I know. but really, it would be like your parents saying “i dont have a child anymore, transexualism stole our child”. it would break your heart. There is no such thing as a perfect child, or for that matter a perfect anybody! In your case you have the ability, assuming you have a lot of money, to make the ‘shell’ match the person underneath. That must be a great comfort to you?

You did the right thing methinks to see a mental health specialist before undergoing GRS and I am glad that you are “sane”. It seems that transexualism is a very complicated condition (sorry cannot think of a better, happier euphamism for that word) that brings a life time of pain and doesnt really have the right cure. Seems like there are treatments and some better than others but nothing that really, totally “cures” a person. That makes me kinda angry and sad, I doubt that medical science devotes as much time to this as other equally deserving conditions. it is obvious that most of the people here believe that surgery is the best treatment. I still cannot help but feel that it is somewhat incomplete, but am starting to think that it may be the “most” appropriate treatment. I also have concerns about whether or not it would constitute “mutilation”. At the same time, if a male person really, somehow ended up in a female body, can the church really expect them not to correct the condition? Wouldnt that also be a sin, forcing a male to be “adorned as a woman” to use biblical terms. There are so many things that need to be considered. It all seems very complicated.

I will look for both of the books recommended to me when i make it to borders this week or next and read them if they are there. Wow, i just noticed how much i wrote, I better stop for now.
Rachel

Don’t put yourself down or sell yourself short. While we disagree I do not find you disagreeable at all. Your trying to understand is very refreshing. You not assuming you know the answers is also very refreshing.

 

[xyneshia]

OH Yeah I forgot about that. I think, if I remember right, that was post was in the middle of some really mean spirited conversations so i just kinda skimmed through them…that looks familiar now though. not saying you were mean spirited btw, but i am sure you remember some of the posts from back then and some people were posting their thoughts in a less than charitable way

I am glad that the Holy Church has given this thought, its not something I have exactly heard brought up in Mass.

Oh, and you are welcome. I hope I always present myself in a way that is charitable. I know sometimes I read a reply to a msg and it looks like I hurt someones feelings, then I will look back through my post and be like “eeeeks! that came out wrong, oh my goodness”. Thankfully this wasnt one of them huh?!

if it is not too personal to ask, do you feel like the surgery has “cured” (for lack of a better term) the pain that you experience from being a transexual? If not, what would you have done differently if you could go back and talk to your younger self? If you feel it has cured you, what advice would you give to someone who is considering it to prepare themselves, personally, not the medical aspect. If those are too personal I understand and please forgive me. Thanks,
Rachel

 

[xyneshia]

Don’t put yourself down or sell yourself short. While we disagree I do not find you disagreeable at all. Your trying to understand is very refreshing. You not assuming you know the answers is also very refreshing.

Thank you, I dont find you disagreeable at all either. Actually, I find you very likeable, if that is a word.
Rachel

 

[hyflyer64]

OH Yeah I forgot about that. I think, if I remember right, that was post was in the middle of some really mean spirited conversations so i just kinda skimmed through them…that looks familiar now though. not saying you were mean spirited btw, but i am sure you remember some of the posts from back then and some people were posting their thoughts in a less than charitable way

I am glad that the Holy Church has given this thought, its not something I have exactly heard brought up in Mass.

Oh, and you are welcome. I hope I always present myself in a way that is charitable. I know sometimes I read a reply to a msg and it looks like I hurt someones feelings, then I will look back through my post and be like “eeeeks! that came out wrong, oh my goodness”. Thankfully this wasnt one of them huh?!

if it is not too personal to ask, do you feel like the surgery has “cured” (for lack of a better term) the pain that you experience from being a transexual? If not, what would you have done differently if you could go back and talk to your younger self? If you feel it has cured you, what advice would you give to someone who is considering it to prepare themselves, personally, not the medical aspect. If those are too personal I understand and please forgive me. Thanks,
Rachel

I don’t think it will be something that you’re apt to hear brought up at Mass. Can you just imagine

The surgery has corrected a major wrong in my life. The cost, at times, has been almost too much to bear. I thank GOD for my faith. If not for HIM, I probably would not be here today.
My councilor worked with me to keep my marriage of 40+ years. So I was hoping and believing that our love would keep us togther, if not as couple, at least as good friends. Well, if someone tells you that you can “choose to become gay”, tell them they don’t know what they are talking about. She loved me and she tried, even before I had surgery. It didn’t work.
I thought I was prepared for not having her in my life. I wasn’t!!
Anyone going on this journey, has to be ready for the absolute worst and pray to GOD for the best. If they are young and unatached, they’ll probably sail right on through. If they are older, and have family, they need to be ready to loose everything.
Also, they have to be knowledgeable. They need to do thier homework re: drugs, surgery, etc. etc. There’s plenty of info out there. And take their time. This is for the rest of your life.
Don’t rush it. I was 4 years from when I started counceling to surgery. I’m glad I took the time.

Rachel

 

[Charles_22]

When I originally signed up I was in denial and trying to surpress my inner/real self. I’m not anymore. But a new name would mean starting all over again which with all the things on my plate , I’m just not up to. Also there is the mre fact that I hate starting anything over, which is a trait that seems universal to any related to me. Now if CAF changes things and allows name chages on the account, I will change it in a heart beat.

There is another possible solution; see what you think of it. It’s starting over, btu it’s not starting over too. Why not assume the same name you have, but put a female name at the beginning or end of it, like aspawloski4thGWEN? While anyone seeing that might know you’re the same person as your current logonid, you couldnt’ completely cover any reference to masculinity that a prior forum member might already know, but it at least would be plain that the name was female and yet greatly resemble your current logonid. That’s one advantage to your rather long ambiguous logonid, that it is long and unique enough that most would not mistake a small addition to it as anything but the same person, though of course there would be some doubts. If this sounds like a good idea, you might want to present the whole notion to the CAF staff first.

 

[Charles_22]

Darn, I wanted to edit my post and I blew it away.

Once again, I really do think we should have a moderator on this thread. Let’s back off a bit on the personal attacks.

OK, TG is a very genral term that includes: CDs, TVs, DQs, and TSs. I dislike TS because it has also been diluted. I do believe that those on this thread could be discribed as, for lack of better words, as “true transexuals”. That is we see/saw our bodies at odds with the image we have/had of ourselves. For M2Fs, we “hate” the hairy, muscular, whatever, body that we have that belongs on a man not on a woman. Before I had things “corrected”, I would shower wearing a thong because I could not stand to see, hanging between my legs, what did not belong there. A woman does not have a penis!!
BTW, one of my dearest friends has not had corrective surgery. She is so broke that at times she’s not sure where her next meal is coming from. So for the time being, she has to put up with an enlarged “clitoris”.
(I hope I’m not using terms here that I shouldn’t be. We are all adults and I’m stating things as they are viewed by our sisters in this situation.)

So it sounds like you are not denying that many tg’s, and others, say they hate their body but it also sounds like you’re not denying that other approach, where the phrase of hating the body is a concise way of stating that there’s frustration with lack of mind and body cohesion.

 

[aspawloski4th]

There is another possible solution; see what you think of it. It’s starting over, btu it’s not starting over too. Why not assume the same name you have, but put a female name at the beginning or end of it, like aspawloski4thGWEN? While anyone seeing that might know you’re the same person as your current logonid, you couldnt’ completely cover any reference to masculinity that a prior forum member might already know, but it at least would be plain that the name was female and yet greatly resemble your current logonid. That’s one advantage to your rather long ambiguous logonid, that it is long and unique enough that most would not mistake a small addition to it as anything but the same person, though of course there would be some doubts. If this sounds like a good idea, you might want to present the whole notion to the CAF staff first.

If I change names it will be something to the tune of Stephanie, based on my middle name Steve which is what I have been called all my life. I just don’t want to go through the hassle of signing up all over again. With whats going on in my life now(asside from the tranbsgender issues) I just don’t feel like adding another hassle. I come to the internet for something intellectual whci the rest of my life is deficient in , and relaxation for the most part. Not hassles. When things are less hectic for me I’ll sign up under a new name.

 

[hyflyer64]

So it sounds like you are not denying that many tg’s, and others, say they hate their body but it also sounds like you’re not denying that other approach, where the phrase of hating the body is a concise way of stating that there’s frustration with lack of mind and body cohesion.

As far as I know, most “TGs” are OK with their bodies just the way they are. For us “true TSs”, yup, we do hate our bodies. At least some aspects of them. I’ve always been OK with my arms and legs and even my butt. My head, for the most part, has been OK also. I guess you could say that I didn’t really like what was hanging between my legs. It was go to an expert and have things taken care of… or I was going to hack the darn thing off myself. I guess, you could equate that to “hate”. I would not argue that point. From what I just stated, one would infer that “there’s frustration with lack of mind and body cohesion” is putting it mildly. Just a bit. Maybe like “not even close”.

 

[hyflyer64]

East Coast time for me, so I need to get to bed. However, do to the fact that I really dislike the term “transexual” or “true transexual”, I’m going to start using the term “HBS” which stands for “Harry Benjamin Syndrome”. This has it’s own controversy surrounding it, but it is more closely in line with how I identify. A few will do some research. Those who just like to “sound off”, will just continue to express opinions.
Good night all.
Rachel

 

[Charles_22]

i am of the belief that god would be more happy with me for correcting the mistakes made by nature so that i have more the whole person (including the physical) as he had intended in the first place and therefore being able to love and respect myself in mind ,body and soul.by having this done also has god seeing me for who i am inside and out and he can then love the body as more like it was meant to be
to your other comment there of being incidental to the sex how about you go back and look at what you had said regarding loving the body because it is of the opposite sex and see how what you said was concerning the flesh in a sexualised manner.

“If your body is the opposite of what you think you are, wouldn’t you be even more prone to love it (man this is going to get screwy)? I mean, if you’re really female at heart, then you would be drawn to males, which your body is”

if its so incidental then why are you talking about females being drawn to males.that statement is about the outward appearance/sex not the person

I had an answer to your post here, and I thought I wrote it with a lot of thought, so much in fact it took me over an hour to write it. Unfortunately the whole thing got deleted by some mysterious means before I was through. I don’t have the heart to start it all over again, and this isn’t the first time this has happened on this forum to me either. In fact, I had the precise thing happen to the last post I made on another thread last night. All I know as that I am hitting something on my mouse in a precarious manner, but it doesn’t happen all the time. The really strange thing is that it seems this never happens to the posts that take me less time put into it. It’s as though I became so disoriented from doing so much thinking and typing, that I forget what I know of mice and get clumsy. Oh well.

 

[Charles_22]

HMMMM, not sure about the banned part, maybe some of the people who were really nasty are no longer allowed to post b/c they were so mean? I’m not the smartest or the nicest person in the world but it seems that everyone should be able to express their opinion in a way that is not hurtfull to others. Maybe the powers that be feel the same way?

I should point out that yes, some people just get a kick out of “dressing up” but most of these people it is exactly what you describe: gender Y living in body of gender X. Trannies is kind of a generic term to describe a number of different people. I didnt know it was a derogatory term or I would not have shared it, sorry.

Oregon in general is very liberal, and my town is no exception. Last time he was elected (he has served more than one term) about ten or so hate mongers from accross the country flew in and carried signs shouting hate at him. The entire town (exaggeration), male, female, young, old, Christian , agnostic et cetera had a little demonstration of their own. Men showed up in dresses (not tg’s but in support of Stu) holding signs and shouting Jesus Loves Stu. The entire town supported him, nobody cares that he has breasts or that he wears a dress. not sure what “category” he would fall under, never really cared. Nobody really should care. We showed lil’ cult that showed up that we are an accepting, loving, non-judgemental group of folk and ya know what…they flew back home!

No, I do not think of my son as mentally ill. I accept that he has an intellectual disability and that this is the road the Good Lord has set in front of him. Autism and its cause and treatments are very sensitive subjects (something you are used to I am sure). Autism affects every part of who he is, it is not a shell that can be peeled off to reveal a “normal” person underneath. Some parents I have talked to feel that autism is a shell that can be peeled off to reveal a normal child. Some of these people feel that their children were stolen from them and that they no longer have a child but an “autistic shell”. IMO those people do not deserve to be parents. harsh I know. but really, it would be like your parents saying “i dont have a child anymore, transexualism stole our child”. it would break your heart. There is no such thing as a perfect child, or for that matter a perfect anybody! In your case you have the ability, assuming you have a lot of money, to make the ‘shell’ match the person underneath. That must be a great comfort to you?

You did the right thing methinks to see a mental health specialist before undergoing GRS and I am glad that you are “sane”. It seems that transexualism is a very complicated condition (sorry cannot think of a better, happier euphamism for that word) that brings a life time of pain and doesnt really have the right cure. Seems like there are treatments and some better than others but nothing that really, totally “cures” a person. That makes me kinda angry and sad, I doubt that medical science devotes as much time to this as other equally deserving conditions. it is obvious that most of the people here believe that surgery is the best treatment. I still cannot help but feel that it is somewhat incomplete, but am starting to think that it may be the “most” appropriate treatment. I also have concerns about whether or not it would constitute “mutilation”. At the same time, if a male person really, somehow ended up in a female body, can the church really expect them not to correct the condition? Wouldnt that also be a sin, forcing a male to be “adorned as a woman” to use biblical terms. There are so many things that need to be considered. It all seems very complicated.

I will look for both of the books recommended to me when i make it to borders this week or next and read them if they are there. Wow, i just noticed how much i wrote, I better stop for now.
Rachel

Have you tried reading the Catechism about all of this? It seems I have seen something in there about it, but it may had been vague.

 

[Charles_22]

If I change names it will be something to the tune of Stephanie, based on my middle name Steve which is what I have been called all my life. I just don’t want to go through the hassle of signing up all over again. With whats going on in my life now(asside from the tranbsgender issues) I just don’t feel like adding another hassle. I come to the internet for something intellectual whci the rest of my life is deficient in , and relaxation for the most part. Not hassles. When things are less hectic for me I’ll sign up under a new name.

Alright. Establishing a new id with your current name as the front of it, with such a long addition, might not be allowed under their naming restrictions anyway. Gwen or something similar is much shorter however, but even that added to the current logonid, as a new logonid, might be too long.

 

[Charles_22]

As far as I know, most “TGs” are OK with their bodies just the way they are. For us “true TSs”, yup, we do hate our bodies. At least some aspects of them. I’ve always been OK with my arms and legs and even my butt. My head, for the most part, has been OK also. I guess you could say that I didn’t really like what was hanging between my legs. It was go to an expert and have things taken care of… or I was going to hack the darn thing off myself. I guess, you could equate that to “hate”. I would not argue that point. From what I just stated, one would infer that “there’s frustration with lack of mind and body cohesion” is putting it mildly. Just a bit. Maybe like “not even close”.

Yep, hate is closer in such a case I suppose.

 

[Charles_22]

hyflyer64:

Once again, I really do think we should have a moderator on this thread. Let’s back off a bit on the personal attacks.

I think I know what you meant by those sentences, but I would like you to clarify. To some, it would seem you were accusing me of personal attacks, possibly not limited to the quote of me you made on post #179 (but the above quote was from #179 of you). Now while people may divert from what they quote somewhat, I see no material whatsoever in that quote to suggest a personal attack by me. I believe you were addressing everybody, and as such were diverting from what you quoted me for.

What makes you think there isn’t a moderator on this thread anyway? Do they commonly have short hooks?

Hmm, that’s funky, you’re on a trial mambership, whatever that is. I have never heard of such a thing in my forays into forums.

 

[hyflyer64]

hyflyer64:

I think I know what you meant by those sentences, but I would like you to clarify. To some, it would seem you were accusing me of personal attacks, possibly not limited to the quote of me you made on post #179 (but the above quote was from #179 of you). Now while people may divert from what they quote somewhat, I see no material whatsoever in that quote to suggest a personal attack by me. I believe you were addressing everybody, and as such were diverting from what you quoted me for.

What makes you think there isn’t a moderator on this thread anyway? Do they commonly have short hooks?

Hmm, that’s funky, you’re on a trial mambership, whatever that is. I have never heard of such a thing in my forays into forums.

My apology Charles, I should have made that statement in a seperate post. I’ve re-read this thread quite extensively and I see many instances where people seem to be disparaging ohers or at least getting very close to. I myself have been guilty.
I’m sure that there is a moderator. I guess I felt that in a couple of instances, something would have been said. Maybe it’s that no one has gone so far as calling someone else a “jerk”. That would be a direct personal attack and I’m sure would no be tolerated.
Yup, I’m a “Trial Member” Then again I’m used to that. Similar to being on “probation” as I was when I first became a Flight Attendant, for 6 months. Guess I didn’t mess up too bad.

 

[Charles_22]

My apology Charles, I should have made that statement in a seperate post. I’ve re-read this thread quite extensively and I see many instances where people seem to be disparaging ohers or at least getting very close to. I myself have been guilty.
I’m sure that there is a moderator. I guess I felt that in a couple of instances, something would have been said. Maybe it’s that no one has gone so far as calling someone else a “jerk”. That would be a direct personal attack and I’m sure would no be tolerated.
Yup, I’m a “Trial Member” Then again I’m used to that. Similar to being on “probation” as I was when I first became a Flight Attendant, for 6 months. Guess I didn’t mess up too bad.

Ummm, I don’t know. When I joined I was a new member from the start IIRC. At least I am now, Perhaps you’re in such early posting stages that it’s really the newer than new stage. Sure, I know ‘new’ seems to designate just that, and that you would be new as well. I don’t think you accidentally become or start out as trial. to my knowledge I did not, but then I never noticed what the ranking was till I saw your rather peculiar one.

Yes, it’s good your admonition was directed to us all, because if it was to me for that quote I was quite willing to believe you were out of your mind. Some of my other stuff, especially without any explanation, sure, but not that one.

Also, the forum has their rules for behavior, whatever they are, but I do consider calling somebody a jerk as pretty tame. True, if not accompanied with an explanation of why they are one, it’s entirely childish, and naturally the explanation a lot of times won’t seem very comforting, but it is rather tame nonetheless. In my case it’s a lot less offensive, especially without an explanation, because there’s so little you can do with something like that it’s much easier to write them off as loons and respond little or none at all. What chafes my hide is the rather habitual frequency that people seem to have for pinning whoever the other side may be, for being a much grander opponent than they are, which has happened against me a number of times here. For example, if you’re pro-life, then you hate women and wish they were clubbed as in the caveman days, etc. It’s so much easier to defeat an opponent that doesn’t exist than talk out the differences instead. A lot of that blowing up amounts to slandor instead of somebody just losing their cool.

Jerk, not so bad. Profuse profanities and greatly blowing up what somebody said; quite bad.