Girl Scouts?

[LordHaveMercy]

Nevertheless, the USCCB allows Catholic Girl Scout troops and Catholic scouting awards. While local troops may have some connection with PO, the national organization maintains a policy of neutrality on reproductive issues.

Being neutral to the violent destruction of 55 million people is enough of a reason to boycott them. I miss the cookies, but when I think about abortion, or the Girl Scouts support for transgenderism, I lose my appetite.

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

Nevertheless, the USCCB allows Catholic Girl Scout troops and Catholic scouting awards. While local troops may have some connection with PO, the national organization maintains a policy of neutrality on reproductive issues.

In light of the Boy Scouts latest problems and them also being prevalent in many catholic parishes I would say just the fact that they are connected with a parish means next to nothing.
Some catholic colleges hand out contraception and refer girls to pp.
doesn’t make it right.

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

Just yesterday there was a piece posted on this on Snopes.

snopes.com/do-girl-scout-cookie-proceeds-fund-planned-parenthood/

100% of the net revenue from cookies goes to the local council and troops.

Also, the organization has no position on “social issues” (sexuality, birth control, abortion) and no connection to Planned Parenthood. They have a whole page on their site answering questions about this:

girlscouts.org/en/faq/faq/social-issues.html

They also note that the organization is one member of the World Association of Girl Guides and Girl Scouts out of 145 member organizations and does not necessarily take its positions. None of the money from member dues or cookies goes to WAGGGS.

This is typical “never mind the man behind the curtain stuff.” I understand that troops pay dues and that can be used to fund pp. saying it doesn’t come from cookies is disingenuous. It would be like McDonald’s saying you buying a fish sandwich will not contribute to the death of a cow.
The United way uses a similar slight of hand when asking people to donate saying you can choose where you money goes. It doesn’t work like that.

Is it your contention that the girl scouts do not give any money to pp?

 

[signit]

This is typical “never mind the man behind the curtain stuff.” I understand that troops pay dues and that can be used to fund pp. saying it doesn’t come from cookies is disingenuous. It would be like McDonald’s saying you buying a fish sandwich will not contribute to the death of a cow.
The United way uses a similar slight of hand when asking people to donate saying you can choose where you money goes. It doesn’t work like that.

Is it your contention that the girl scouts do not give any money to pp?

I do believe that, yes.

Their 2014 form 990; no mention of PP:

girlscouts.org/content/dam/girlscouts-gsusa/forms-and-documents/about-girl-scouts/facts/2014_gsusa_form_990.pdf

Their 2014 financial statements; no mention of PP:

girlscouts.org/content/dam/girlscouts-gsusa/forms-and-documents/about-girl-scouts/facts/2014_audited_financial_statements.pdf

There’s no indication of any money going to PP either from cookies or from dues. Even conservative Christian groups like the Family Research Council don’t make that claim.

Even if the national group gave money to PP, which it doesn’t, the money from cookies doesn’t help the national group in any way. The FAQ on the site explain this. The local council first pays the baker and decides how to divide the net revenues among the council and the troops.

I’m no fan of PP as I’ve posted before, but I don’t trust everything I hear from conservative Christians, either; they don’t always tell the truth.

 

[AnnArbor]

Is it your contention that the girl scouts do not give any money to pp?

Correct. At least at the national level. Local troops, including Catholic troops, have a fair amount of autonomy. Catholic troops are free to, and should, encourage Catholic values.

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

I do believe that, yes.

Their 2014 form 990; no mention of PP:

girlscouts.org/content/dam/girlscouts-gsusa/forms-and-documents/about-girl-scouts/facts/2014_gsusa_form_990.pdf

Their 2014 financial statements; no mention of PP:

girlscouts.org/content/dam/girlscouts-gsusa/forms-and-documents/about-girl-scouts/facts/2014_audited_financial_statements.pdf

There’s no indication of any money going to PP either from cookies or from dues. Even conservative Christian groups like the Family Research Council don’t make that claim.

Even if the national group gave money to PP, which it doesn’t, the money from cookies doesn’t help the national group in any way. The FAQ on the site explain this. The local council first pays the baker and decides how to divide the net revenues among the council and the troops.

I’m no fan of PP as I’ve posted before, but I don’t trust everything I hear from conservative Christians, either; they don’t always tell the truth.

Any copywrite lawyers want to do some pro bono work for the GS?
Or maybe they support planned parenthood.

100questionsforthegirlscouts.org/fwi/documents/GS_NF.pdf

 

[AnnArbor]

Any copywrite lawyers want to do some pro bono work for the GS?
Or maybe they support planned parenthood.

100questionsforthegirlscouts.org/fwi/documents/GS_NF.pdf

Yes, because again, this is a local council. They do have some autonomy, and apparently chose to co-sponsor this event. But even with that co-sponsorship of an event, it does not mean that money from the GS was contributed to PP.

 

[signit]

Yes, because again, this is a local council. They do have some autonomy, and apparently chose to co-sponsor this event. But even with that co-sponsorship of an event, it does not mean that money from the GS was contributed to PP.

The Catholic view:

usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachings/who-we-teach/youth/catholic-scouting-questions.cfm

The USCCB seems to concede that some councils/troops may partner with PP or other organizations, but it does not prohibit formation of Catholic troops following Catholic values.

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

Yes, because again, this is a local council. They do have some autonomy, and apparently chose to co-sponsor this event. But even with that co-sponsorship of an event, it does not mean that money from the GS was contributed to PP.

In accounting we would say " left hand, don’t you look at what the right hand is doing"

Whatever justification you wish to use. I know that the gs support pp. it won’t stop me from buying delicious cookies from them any more than it would stop me from eating Ben and jerrys or Kraft or any other product who’s parent company supports abortion. It does however keep me from putting my kids in gs. Or bs for that matter. All scouting with abortion and gay issues have made it so no connection should be had to the church and scouting…

 

[Brendan]

, the national organization maintains a policy of neutrality on reproductive issues.

Sort of, if you look at their speaker line up at the recent National Conventions, they are almost exclusively speakers with pro-choice views.

If they were truly neutral on the issues, their viewpoint of what constitutes a strong model of womanhood in society today would be more diverse.

And even then, being ‘neutral’ on such a grave issue is not exactly a ringing endorsement of the organization, as Dr, Martin Luther King noted:

“The hottest place in Hell is reserved for those who remain neutral in times of great moral conflict.”

 

[Brendan]

And there are also the new Journey books

For example, the play “Simply Maria”

It’s gets a great review on pg 51 of the aMuze book (grade 4-5). here is how the author portrays Catholic Marriage

PRIEST. Dearly beloved, we are gathered here, under the Catholic church, in the holy house of God, to unite these two people in holy matrimony. Marriage is sacred. It is the unification of a man and a woman, their love and commitment, forever, and ever, and ever, no matter what! Well, then let’s begin.

María, do you accept José Juan Gonzalez García López as your lawfully wedded husband to love cherish, serve, cook for, clean for, sacrifice for, have his children, keep house, love him, even if he beats you, commits adultery, gets drunk, rapes you, lawfully, denies your identity, money, and in return ask for nothing? (MARIA thinks about it and then turns to her parents who mouth to her “I do.”)

MARIA. I do.

PRIEST. Very good. Now, José. Do you accept María García Gonzalez López as your lawfully wedded wife to support?

JOSE. Simón, que yes.

PRIEST. Good. Well, if there is anyone present who is opposed to the union of these two people, speak now, or forever hold your truth.

(RICARDO stands up, takes out a gun, and brandishes it to the audience.) Do you have the ring? (JOSE takes out a golden dog collar. )

The PRIEST gives it his blessings: 5, 6, 7, 8. By the power vested in me, under the Catholic church, in the holy house of God, I pronounce you man and wife.

(The THREE GIRLS take away MARIA’s veil and bouquet. They place the dog collar around MARIA’s neck. Then they get the wedding lasso and tie it around her to make the collar seem and work like a leash.0

PRIEST speaks to JOSE.)

(The lasso is given to JOSE. He pulls MARIA, who gets on her hands and knees. They walk down the aisle like dog and master. The wedding march plays, people begin to leave. Lights fade out.)

PRIEST:You may pet the bride.

Great view of the Church, and given high acclaim in a book for young girls

Or the link to the PP\NOW site “WomensMedia Center” pg 71 of the MEdia book

After the Church complained, GSUSA promised to reprint the books.

But the fact that they were in their at all doesn’t speak well for any claim to neutrality.

 

[chaplainmom]

None of my priests seem to think Girl Scouts is bad because we have a Girl Scout troop at both my kids Catholic school and at our parish. I cannot imagine that the priests would allow an organization to meet and use the facilities, and allow the parish girls to attend if it were morally unethical to do so.

 

[AnnArbor]

The bishops have made it clear that it is acceptable to have Catholic Girl Scout troops. They’ve also said that GS do not support (financially) PP.

Girls in Catholic troops will presumably not have leaders who are promoting PP values – if they do, the leaders should be dismissed.

Ceasing to have Catholics participate in Girl Scouts does not appear to be effective evangelization – girls can participate in Catholic troops with Catholic leaders – and perhaps witness to the non-Catholic scouts who join them.

 

[Kelfa28]

I wouldn’t put my girls in Girl Scouts…but that is mostly because I’ve never been a fan of Girl Scouts anyway.

I did it for a year and wasn’t a fan.

Hey, if there are Catholic Girl Scout troops…and you don’t directly fund PP or participate in any activities that promote their values and you make it work for Catholic girls…have at it and please sell me some cookies!

I’m a little dubious about letting my girls participate in groups with known connections to evil organizations but claim to be Catholic.

Personally, I wished you’d use another name or hook up with a Heritage Girls chapter…if that is possible.

Anyway…yes, I buy the cookies. I love me some thin mints…they are delish. Plus, I’m a long time customer of my nieces and my girlfriend’s daughters and I don’t get on my soap box with them. They are secular and non Christian and just looking for some help with fundraising.

I don’t do boycotts because I find them to be a colossal waste of my time and effort. Especially since the hole is so huge it’s literally impossible to eliminate every group and company that supports something evil.

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

So if I have a gs troop chartered and approved by the national governing body and we choose to fund a group called “skinhead bel nazi women of the kkk”. Then you would all be in agreement that the gs does not support a racist organization?

The mental twists if justification astound me sometimes…

I’d still eat the cookies though…

 

[AnnArbor]

So if I have a gs troop chartered and approved by the national governing body and we choose to fund a group called “skinhead bel nazi women of the kkk”. Then you would all be in agreement that the gs does not support a racist organization?

The mental twists if justification astound me sometimes…

I’d still eat the cookies though…

But in this case, the troops’ dues and the cookie sale money do not fund PP. The issue has been that some troops used materials regarding sexuality from PP.

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

But in this case, the troops’ dues and the cookie sale money do not fund PP. The issue has been that some troops used materials regarding sexuality from PP.

You still don’t get it. You cannot separate “cookie money” from Girl Scout money. Not within the organization. Not even if you just talk about individual troops.
Ok, here is another issue.
I go door to door collecting money, I total the money and assure you none of your invididual dollars go to fund Isis. I make 100 dollars on your block. I donate 50000 dollars to Isis from my own pocket. You still feel good about your block not supporting terrorism? You shouldn’t. Not even if I get a separate bank account for just your money… It is still MY money. And I donated to Isis.
You only have a leg to stand on if each troop were autonomous and no fees dues support, or money ever flowed back and forth between troops and the monolithic organization.

 

[AnnArbor]

You still don’t get it. You cannot separate “cookie money” from Girl Scout money. Not within the organization. Not even if you just talk about individual troops.
Ok, here is another issue.
I go door to door collecting money, I total the money and assure you none of your invididual dollars go to fund Isis. I make 100 dollars on your block. I donate 50000 dollars to Isis from my own pocket. You still feel good about your block not supporting terrorism? You shouldn’t. Not even if I get a separate bank account for just your money… It is still MY money. And I donated to Isis.
You only have a leg to stand on if each troop were autonomous and no fees dues support, or money ever flowed back and forth between troops and the monolithic organization.

That’s my point. It doesn’t.

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

That’s my point. It doesn’t.

What doesn’t what?

 

[rotlex]

Good Lord, this again? Really, the Girl Scouts in my area are the work of the devil I tell you, and God only knows what they are putting in those cookies!

My daughter is a Girl Scout. Has been for years. Our Catholic parish and a number of others in the area house the troops. Good grief people, get over it. Buy some cookies. Make a kid happy. Live a little.