Girls as alter servers

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Ham1:
…So far, you claim option 2 and yet present no evidence at all to support your claim. Why not provide some evidence that option 2 is indeed the truth since it is as you say “painfully obvious”?
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That’s your opinion and you’re wrong.
 
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mikew262:
I’m talking devices or drugs that prevent the egg and sperm from joining, thus you are not killing anything. This is how most people view the use of contraceptives. Something like the “morning after pill” which I suppose comes under the guise of contraception, I agree with you on, does kill the fetus. Your remark however was misleading, it needed to be clarified.

BTW, spare me the sarcastic remarks. It weakens any case you are trying to make.
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“Most people?” How would you know? And who cares? Don’t try to qualify your original statement. It was wrong.

Your commentary was worse than misleading. It was ignorant AND you tried to post it as fact. Normally that might be fine, but not on such serious of a topic where you might actually lead someone astray. You need to do your homework before making posts. You want to learn about abortifacients? Look into NFP and you’ll be provided with a solid background on artificial contraception.
 
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AltarMan:
You need to do your homework before making posts.
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You were being misleading. Period. Now quit bickering, and get back on the topic.
 
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mikew262:
That is not correct. If used for it’s intended purpose, The “Pill” prevents ovulation. No egg, no baby. However, if you took the “Pill”, after you were pregnant, then yes, I’m sure it could cause an abortion. BTW, my info source is WebMD.
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You are wrong, “period.” There are many different “pills” available and some are indeed abortifacients.

It’s dreadful that you would spew such misinformation on a forum like this. You should be ashamed of yourself.
 
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AltarMan:
You are wrong, “period.” There are many different “pills” available and some are indeed abortifacients.

It’s dreadful that you would spew such misinformation on a forum like this. You should be ashamed of yourself.
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Does this have anything to do with girls alter-servers?
 
George Waters:
Does this have anything to do with girls alter-servers?
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“mikew262” made a horribly incorrect comment about artificial contraception. Chilling actually. It could not be left unchallanged.
 
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AltarMan:
You are wrong, “period.” There are many different “pills” available and some are indeed abortifacients.

It’s dreadful that you would spew such misinformation on a forum like this. You should be ashamed of yourself.
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Can’t let it go can you?

If you bothered to read my other posts, I did acknowledge the “morning after pill” as an abortion causing drug. I’m talking “The Pill”. It was not designed to cause abortions. Again, most folks equate contraceptives to condoms, diaphrams, “The Pill”, spermicides, the sponge, IUD, and the Patch. None of which kill a fetus if used as intended. Sheesh! :rolleyes:

Can we move on now?
 
George Waters:
Does this have anything to do with girls alter-servers?
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No, it doesn’t. I apologize for my part in this distracting sidebar.
 
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mrs_abbott:
How did we get on the topic of contraceptives??? :confused:
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Earlier in the thread it was mentioned that Pope JPII held the hard line on artificial contraception (thanks be to God) with Humanae Vitae despite hardcore pressure from the sexist-feminists and other dissidents. I said I don’t equate killing babies (which is a product of much of artificial contraception) with allowing female altar servers.

Then it was suggested that artificial contraception was not akin to killing babies and that suggestion is terribly inaccurate…

Finis.
 
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mrs_abbott:
How did we get on the topic of contraceptives??? :confused:
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I hestiate to answer this for fear of continuing this silly argument. Alterman made a comment something to the effect that contraceptives are abortion causing. I felt he was making a misleading statement and called him on it, it went on from there. I’m sorry for the disruption.
 
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mikew262:
I hestiate to answer this for fear of continuing this silly argument. Alterman made a comment something to the effect that contraceptives are abortion causing. I felt he was making a misleading statement and called him on it, it went on from there. I’m sorry for the disruption.
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Many are. You were wrong, speading misinformation a long the way. Just look at your attempt to qualify you original posting.
 
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AltarMan:
Many are. You were wrong, speading misinformation a long the way. Just look at your attempt to qualify you original posting.
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Whatever. :rolleyes: Again everybody else, I apologize. You all can make your own judgement on who is right or wrong, if it really matters.

Now, on with the girl alter servers!
 
I understand. I was just wondering. Contraception is a sticky topic with most people, even more so than girls as altar servers. It’s probably best left unsaid unless there’s another forum out there about it. Actually, there seems to be a topic about ANYTHING and EVERYTHING so I’m sure there is. 🙂
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mikew262:
I hestiate to answer this for fear of continuing this silly argument. Alterman made a comment something to the effect that contraceptives are abortion causing. I felt he was making a misleading statement and called him on it, it went on from there. I’m sorry for the disruption.
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mikew262:
Again, most folks equate contraceptives to condoms, diaphrams, “The Pill”, spermicides, the sponge, IUD, and the Patch. None of which kill a fetus if used as intended. Sheesh! :rolleyes:

Can we move on now?
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I’m sorry Mike but I have to clarify just in case any young people are reading.

Actually, IUDs and Norplant do allow fertilization. In fact, even the pill has a chance of this. The IUD literally scrapes the uterus so that implantation cannot continue along with the chemicals they contain to alter the lining. Both Norplant and the pill have the chance that an egg can be released, fertilized then the hormones cause the endometrial lining of the uterus to be hostile to the implantation of a zygote.

If one believes that life begins at fertilization than yes, these are a form of abortion.

Now back to your regularly scheduled thread.
 
netmil(name removed by moderator):
I’m sorry Mike but I have to clarify just in case any young people are reading.

Actually, IUDs and Norplant do allow fertilization. In fact, even the pill has a chance of this. The IUD literally scrapes the uterus so that implantation cannot continue along with the chemicals they contain to alter the lining. Both Norplant and the pill have the chance that an egg can be released, fertilized then the hormones cause the endometrial lining of the uterus to be hostile to the implantation of a zygote.

If one believes that life begins at fertilization than yes, these are a form of abortion.

Now back to your regularly scheduled thread.
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I stand partially corrected on IUDs and Norplant, both have a secondary effect of affecting the uterine lining which can lead to the expulsion of a fertilized egg. The Pill is not 100% proof, so sure a egg could be delivered, however, its main purpose is to prevent ovulation. However, the majority of well known contraception methods do not involve aborting a fetus.

I admit my statement earlier concerning “contraceptives does not kill babies” was misleading as well. Ok, Alterman? I should’ve said the majority of contraceptive methods do not; some do. I’m sorry for any confusion.
 
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AltarMan:
That’s your opinion and you’re wrong.
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This response is a joke, right?

Are you willing to provide some sort of evidence that the Holy See “caved” on the issue or are you just going to continue claiming that anyone who disagrees is wrong?

My, what a compelling argument.
 
mikew262 said:
Whatever. :rolleyes: Again everybody else, I apologize. You all can make your own judgement on who is right or wrong, if it really matters.

Now, on with the girl alter servers!
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Perhaps the single most infantile retort in common use today.

Oh yeah, and by the way, the fact that artificial contraception is often in the form of an abortifacient does “really matter.”
 
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Ham1:
This response is a joke, right?

Are you willing to provide some sort of evidence that the Holy See “caved” on the issue or are you just going to continue claiming that anyone who disagrees is wrong?

My, what a compelling argument.
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Scoll back. If you think I’m going to re-type everything you’re confused. I wish I could say the same about your “arguments.”
 
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mikew262:
I stand partially corrected on IUDs and Norplant, both have a secondary effect of affecting the uterine lining which can lead to the expulsion of a fertilized egg. The Pill is not 100% proof, so sure a egg could be delivered, however, its main purpose is to prevent ovulation. However, the majority of well known contraception methods do not involve aborting a fetus.

I admit my statement earlier concerning “contraceptives does not kill babies” was misleading as well. Ok, Alterman? I should’ve said the majority of contraceptive methods do not; some do. I’m sorry for any confusion.
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Spin it all you want, you spewed-out ignorance about a very important subject on this thread. Ignorance that someone could tragically take for fact and that’s inexcuseable.

There are “pills” (in addition to the “morning after pill”) that act as abortifacients. You need to learn that fact before commenting on this most serious of subjects.
 
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