GIRM Causes Dis-ease!

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Until I started coming to these forums, I was a pretty happy Catholic. Oh I shuddered at a few things like liturgical dance and hard rock like music at Mass, but by and large, time at Mass was a blissful experience. Now I find myself being distracted by a mind that sometimes becomes focused on some rather trivial, in my estimation, abuses. It gets almost like pornography. Once you see the picture you cannot get it out of your mind or like the Genie, you cannot put it back in the bottle. I would like my innocence back. I used to really get into praying the Mass and now I get distracted. In actual fact our priests are quite faithful to the Girm, but that mind of mine stays watchful. They might drop a word in one of the prayers or something.
 
rwoehmke said:
I would like my innocence back. I used to really get into praying the Mass and now I get distracted. In actual fact our priests are quite faithful to the Girm, but that mind of mine stays watchful. They might drop a word in one of the prayers or something.
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I am like that, too. But I think it comes from the devil using your love of the Mass to get you. Knowing your traditions is a blessing! It is a good oppurtunity to nuture charity within yourself. Sit up front so other peoples’ habits don’t draw your attention. This also serves them well because you will be an example. Always give the benefit of the doubt to everyone. I believe people generally have good intentions. If they knew what they were doing was wrong, they would likely change. Some priests simply do not know better, so that helps me to over look the times when they use illicit vessels and such.
As Christians we are obliged to admonish the sinner and instruct the ignorant. Sometimes this is as simple as doing your part to be a good model of the role of the laity. Someone might ask, “Why did you bow your head before recieving?” or “Why don’t you gather around the alter when the rest of us do?” Then you have a chance to help them grow in their faith!
But if it is something more grave I write a letter or send one to the bishop of that diocese.
 
The GIRM was written for the use of those responsible for the liturgy, so it is up to them to follow it, not up to us in the pews to anticipate every aberration we see at Mass. I say this to ease your mind. Unless you are seeing some gross abuse at Mass, such as “liturgical dance” and so forth, don’t let yourself watch and wait for abuses. I used to get all in a knot over minor abuses, too, but I prayed for the grace to let them go, and God gave it to me. So, give this problem over to God before Mass begins (and throughout the week). Will yourself to not let your heart and mind dwell on such things. You are right, we are at Mass to concentrate on God–to worship him, listen to his word, and receive Christ and his graces in the Eucharist. Let that be your only concerns, dear brother Catholic. And let your spirit be at rest. 🙂
 
Have been attending Mass, or Divine Liturgy in the case of Eastern Catholic Churches, outside of my parish for a while because of some of the strange things that have been done as part of the Mass there. The Spanish-language Mass has been partly immune to this, so this week I heard Mass in Spanish at “home”, celebrated by a priest visiting from México.
Everything was fine except when the new choir/band broke out in a Gloria that could nave been mistaken for a cut from an old Bob Wills and his Texas Playboys recording. And the overamplification of all of their parts in the Mass.
Oh, I have always enjoyed Bob Wills-style music, but don’t think it should be a part of the Mass. AH-HA, San Antone!
 
I haven’t been coming into this forum, “Liturgy and Sacraments,” because it’s seems the forum is nothing more than whining-busy-bodies, who go to Mass only to observe and complain about the behaviors of others and to police the priest for any flaw he might commit, that doesn’t jive with their interpretation of the GIRM.

Mass must be nothing but irritation for some people! :rolleyes:
 
JimR-OCDS said:
I haven’t been coming into this forum, “Liturgy and Sacraments,” because it’s seems the forum is nothing more than whining-busy-bodies, who go to Mass only to observe and complain about the behaviors of others and to police the priest for any flaw he might commit, that doesn’t jive with their interpretation of the GIRM.

Mass must be nothing but irritation for some people! :rolleyes:
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And of course the people who forget that this is a discussion forum. A place to vent our frustrations, to keep them out of our parish and validate our feelings.

I love the people who label the posters who suffer from innovative masses “whining-busy-bodies”. Trust me, many of us don’t have to be the liturgy police to have innovations stand out like a sore thumb. They bop us in the head.

Better to complain here. This way frustration doesn’t build up until one explodes or leaves altogether.

The “get over it” attitude just doesn’t cut it sometimes.
 
The Church has entrusted to each and every one of us—a great responsibility—to safeguard our Holy Mass from abiguity --irreverence and distortion. Until we start taking this responsibility seriously----our Lord’s Mass will continue to suffer.

This will bother those who want to keep things the way they are.

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/ccdds/documents/rc_con_ccdds_doc_20040423_redemptionis-sacramentum_en.html#Chapter%20III

[183.] In an altogether particular manner, let everyone do all that is in their power to ensure that the Most Holy Sacrament of the Eucharist will be protected from any and every irreverence or distortion and that all abuses be thoroughly corrected. This is a most serious duty incumbent upon each and every one, and all are bound to carry it out without any favouritism.
 
Walking_Home said:
The Church has entrusted to each and every one of us—a great responsibility—to safeguard our Holy Mass from abiguity --irreverence and distortion. Until we start taking this responsibility seriously----our Lord’s Mass will continue to suffer.

This will bother those who want to keep things the way they are.

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/ccdds/documents/rc_con_ccdds_doc_20040423_redemptionis-sacramentum_en.html#Chapter%20III

[183.] In an altogether particular manner, let everyone do all that is in their power to ensure that the Most Holy Sacrament of the Eucharist will be protected from any and every irreverence or distortion and that all abuses be thoroughly corrected. This is a most serious duty incumbent upon each and every one, and all are bound to carry it out without any favouritism.
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Thanks for the quote! 🙂 I see that the document is divided into sections for laity and for clergy (or at least that’s how it appears to me). I’m wondering–just seeking to understand–does the citation you gave us refer to literally “everyone” or to those the section of the document addresses in particular? Thank you.
 
Della said:
Thanks for the quote! 🙂 I see that the document is divided into sections for laity and for clergy (or at least that’s how it appears to me). I’m wondering–just seeking to understand–does the citation you gave us refer to literally “everyone” or to those the section of the document addresses in particular? Thank you.
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It is directed to everyone. In the following — I included the rest of the section

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/ccdds/documents/rc_con_ccdds_doc_20040423_redemptionis-sacramentum_en.html#Chapter%20III
  1. Complaints Regarding Abuses in Liturgical Matters
[183.] In an altogether particular manner, let everyone do all that is in their power to ensure that the Most Holy Sacrament of the Eucharist will be protected from any and every irreverence or distortion and that all abuses be thoroughly corrected. This is a most serious duty incumbent upon each and every one, and all are bound to carry it out without any favouritism.

[184.] Any Catholic, whether Priest or Deacon or lay member of Christ’s faithful, has the right to lodge a complaint regarding a liturgical abuse to the diocesan Bishop or the competent Ordinary equivalent to him in law, or to the Apostolic See on account of the primacy of the Roman Pontiff.[290] It is fitting, however, insofar as possible, that the report or complaint be submitted first to the diocesan Bishop. This is naturally to be done in truth and charity.
 
Walking_Home said:
It is directed to everyone. In the following — I included the rest of the section

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/ccdds/documents/rc_con_ccdds_doc_20040423_redemptionis-sacramentum_en.html#Chapter%20III
  1. Complaints Regarding Abuses in Liturgical Matters
[183.] In an altogether particular manner, let everyone do all that is in their power to ensure that the Most Holy Sacrament of the Eucharist will be protected from any and every irreverence or distortion and that all abuses be thoroughly corrected. This is a most serious duty incumbent upon each and every one, and all are bound to carry it out without any favouritism.

[184.] Any Catholic, whether Priest or Deacon or lay member of Christ’s faithful, has the right to lodge a complaint regarding a liturgical abuse to the diocesan Bishop or the competent Ordinary equivalent to him in law, or to the Apostolic See on account of the primacy of the Roman Pontiff.[290] It is fitting, however, insofar as possible, that the report or complaint be submitted first to the diocesan Bishop. This is naturally to be done in truth and charity.
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Of course, that’s the ideal, and we all ought to follow it, but it doesn’t work that way where the rubber hits the road, sad to say. Too often bishops are too busy or will side with a priest in such matters, so nothing changes (that ought to change) and the person who lodged the complaint gets frustrated and isolated. Not that we shouldn’t try to get things corrected, just saying that it can be a hard, lonely position with no satisfaction and no reward, so anyone who wants to follow this directive had better be prepared for the consequences.
 
rwoehmke said:
Until I started coming to these forums, I was a pretty happy Catholic. Oh I shuddered at a few things like liturgical dance and hard rock like music at Mass, but by and large, time at Mass was a blissful experience.
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I don’t think it is just knowledge of what the rules are. It is also knowledge of what people are thinking at mass. I wish I could go back to not knowing.

Also, it is annoying to know what words they can change and what words they can’t. Then you do notice when they change them. It is a small annoyance, though. Basically, I just pray and try to ignore everything short of the building caving in. This works the best for me.
 
Della said:
Of course, that’s the ideal, and we all ought to follow it, but it doesn’t work that way where the rubber hits the road, sad to say. Too often bishops are too busy or will side with a priest in such matters, so nothing changes (that ought to change) and the person who lodged the complaint gets frustrated and isolated. Not that we shouldn’t try to get things corrected, just saying that it can be a hard, lonely position with no satisfaction and no reward, so anyone who wants to follow this directive had better be prepared for the consequences.
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That is why we as Catholics —should be able to carry our Cross. Our Lord carried His.

If nothing changes after contacting the bishop–then go further up.
We are instructed to contact the Vatican.
 
Walking_Home said:
That is why we as Catholics —should be able to carry our Cross. Our Lord carried His.

If nothing changes after contacting the bishop–then go further up.
We are instructed to contact the Vatican.
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It’s also why, since so many have complained about abuses at Mass, that the Holy Father is endeavoring to have these abuses ended. It has to filter down through the bishops, though–that’s the chain of command. And if the bishops won’t do anything about them, we’re stuck. So, all we can do is suffer as white martyrs and offer our prayers in the hopes that our bishops will follow the directives of the Holy Father and correct abuses.
 
rwoehmke said:
Until I started coming to these forums, I was a pretty happy Catholic. Oh I shuddered at a few things like liturgical dance and hard rock like music at Mass, but by and large, time at Mass was a blissful experience. Now I find myself being distracted by a mind that sometimes becomes focused on some rather trivial, in my estimation, abuses. It gets almost like pornography. Once you see the picture you cannot get it out of your mind or like the Genie, you cannot put it back in the bottle. I would like my innocence back. I used to really get into praying the Mass and now I get distracted. In actual fact our priests are quite faithful to the Girm, but that mind of mine stays watchful. They might drop a word in one of the prayers or something.
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That mean you need to grow a little bit in the “giving it up to the Lord” area 🙂 …i wouldjust enjoy the mass 🙂
 
Della said:
It’s also why, since so many have complained about abuses at Mass, that the Holy Father is endeavoring to have these abuses ended. It has to filter down through the bishops, though–that’s the chain of command. And if the bishops won’t do anything about them, we’re stuck. So, all we can do is suffer as white martyrs and offer our prayers in the hopes that our bishops will follow the directives of the Holy Father and correct abuses.
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No—we are not stuck. As I stated and provided documentation for—we do have the authority and the right to contact the Vatican.
 
Walking_Home said:
The Church has entrusted to each and every one of us—a great responsibility—to safeguard our Holy Mass from abiguity --irreverence and distortion. Until we start taking this responsibility seriously----our Lord’s Mass will continue to suffer.

This will bother those who want to keep things the way they are.

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/ccdds/documents/rc_con_ccdds_doc_20040423_redemptionis-sacramentum_en.html#Chapter%20III

[183.] In an altogether particular manner, let everyone do all that is in their power to ensure that the Most Holy Sacrament of the Eucharist will be protected from any and every irreverence or distortion and that all abuses be thoroughly corrected. This is a most serious duty incumbent upon each and every one, and all are bound to carry it out without any favouritism.
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Like Della said, thank you for this reminder from the Vatican itself.
 
Della said:
Of course, that’s the ideal, and we all ought to follow it, but it doesn’t work that way where the rubber hits the road, sad to say. Too often bishops are too busy or will side with a priest in such matters, so nothing changes (that ought to change) and the person who lodged the complaint gets frustrated and isolated. Not that we shouldn’t try to get things corrected, just saying that it can be a hard, lonely position with no satisfaction and no reward, so anyone who wants to follow this directive had better be prepared for the consequences.
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Now if the priest starts changing the words to the consecration, this is the most important. You will need to report this quickly.
 
Walking_Home said:
It is directed to everyone. In the following — I included the rest of the section

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/ccdds/documents/rc_con_ccdds_doc_20040423_redemptionis-sacramentum_en.html#Chapter%20III
  1. Complaints Regarding Abuses in Liturgical Matters
[183.] In an altogether particular manner, let everyone do all that is in their power to ensure that the Most Holy Sacrament of the Eucharist will be protected from any and every irreverence or distortion and that all abuses be thoroughly corrected. This is a most serious duty incumbent upon each and every one, and all are bound to carry it out without any favouritism.

[184.] Any Catholic, whether Priest or Deacon or lay member of Christ’s faithful, has the right to lodge a complaint regarding a liturgical abuse to the diocesan Bishop or the competent Ordinary equivalent to him in law, or to the Apostolic See on account of the primacy of the Roman Pontiff.[290] It is fitting, however, insofar as possible, that the report or complaint be submitted first to the diocesan Bishop. This is naturally to be done in truth and charity.
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This was a point that I was trying to make in another thread about this topic. The complaint goes to the bishop. The judgment of the local bishop is what usually prevails in the diocese. You can appeal to Rome and in ten years get an answer.
 
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