GIRM in Canada

[Love_Divine]

Does anyone know which GIRM we’re using in Canada? I can’t find a 2002 Canadian version anywhere, and I’ve heard rumours that it hasn’t been translated into the vernacular languages.

 

[curlycool89]

Does anyone know which GIRM we’re using in Canada? I can’t find a 2002 Canadian version anywhere, and I’ve heard rumours that it hasn’t been translated into the vernacular languages.

Currently? The same as they’re using in the US (the 1st edition, whenever that was in the 70s).

The 3rd edition from 2002 will be implemented this coming Advent. It should be substantially the same as the one the US Bishops have online.

 

[Phemie]

Currently? The same as they’re using in the US (the 1st edition, whenever that was in the 70s).

The 3rd edition from 2002 will be implemented this coming Advent. It should be substantially the same as the one the US Bishops have online.

You’re right that Canada still uses the 1975 GIRM but you’re wrong about the US, they implemented the 2002 GIRM years ago and that’s the one we find online. The US version may be revised when the Missal is implemented in November because there have been some changes to the wording.

It’s frustrating because all the footnotes in the CCCB ORDO refer to the 2002 version so to check out anything we have to go online to see the US version. It’s a mess really.

Love Divine, the CCCB never had a GIRM online. I have a hard copy of the 1975 one that I used at the office, the publication contains both the GIRM and the Introduction to the old Lectionary. I was trying to find what they presently have for sale but their ‘publications’ website is not working – maybe they’re updating since I just noticed much more ‘preparation’ material available on the main ‘Roman Missal’ page than there was early yesterday.

 

[curlycool89]

You’re right that Canada still uses the 1975 GIRM but you’re wrong about the US, they implemented the 2002 GIRM years ago.

Hmm, I didn’t know that.

 

[Phemie]

Hmm, I didn’t know that.

First they said it was because they had to have both the French and English versions available at the same time and that was taking time – we know that the English and French Bishops are sometimes worlds apart on liturgy and how it should be done – then they stated that they had no legal (canonically speaking) obligation to implement the 2002 GIRM until the 2002 Missal was implemented since the GIRM was specific to that.

 

[Love_Divine]

First they said it was because they had to have both the French and English versions available at the same time and that was taking time – we know that the English and French Bishops are sometimes worlds apart on liturgy and how it should be done – then they stated that they had no legal (canonically speaking) obligation to implement the 2002 GIRM until the 2002 Missal was implemented since the GIRM was specific to that.

I don’t understand why we just don’t use the same as the US uses.

The 2002 edition the US is using has a change in the rules for receiving communion on kneeling. In the 1975 GIRM, those of us who kneel are supposed to be catechized on why standing is the norm, whereas the the 2002 GIRM’s wording just says that we may receive standing or kneeling and that we are not to be refused if we choose to kneel.

While I’ve knelt and received without incident at other NO Masses, I’ve been too scared to do so at my ultra-liberal parish with my ultra-liberal priest, and I’ve finally worked up the courage to do so today because I feel so irreverent receiving the way the priest passes out communion without giving me a chance to reverence it, or even say Amen as he stuffs it in my mouth. I’m just wondering what the rules are in the event I run into issues. I know I can’t be refused, but I think Rome has made it very clear that kneeling and on the tongue is the preferred posture for receiving.

 

[Phemie]

I don’t understand why we just don’t use the same as the US uses.

Because different Bishops’ Conferences make different adaptations to the GIRM to suit their congregations. It could be posture, it could be music, etc.

The official decree on using the 2002 Roman Missal on the First Sunday of Advent in Canada has not yet been made because they are still waiting for clarification of the wording of a certain adaptation. We’ve been told on the CCCB website that it will be implemented on the First Sunday of Advent but they were clear that that was not the Official Decree (something that would make it binding on every parish).

The 2002 edition the US is using has a change in the rules for receiving communion on kneeling. In the 1975 GIRM, those of us who kneel are supposed to be catechized on why standing is the norm, whereas the the 2002 GIRM’s wording just says that we may receive standing or kneeling and that we are not to be refused if we choose to kneel.

No, that ‘catechize’ thing is in the US adaptation of the 2002 GIRM, the one that’s online now. That didn’t exist in the US adaptations to the 1975 GIRM, I just looked it up in my US copy. I’ve heard that it has been removed from the version of the GIRM that’s will be in printed in the US Roman Missal so they will probably be changing the wording on the website too when the Missal is promulgated in November.

While I’ve knelt and received without incident at other NO Masses, I’ve been too scared to do so at my ultra-liberal parish with my ultra-liberal priest, and I’ve finally worked up the courage to do so today because I feel so irreverent receiving the way the priest passes out communion without giving me a chance to reverence it, or even say Amen as he stuffs it in my mouth. I’m just wondering what the rules are in the event I run into issues. I know I can’t be refused, but I think Rome has made it very clear that kneeling and on the tongue is the preferred posture for receiving.

The Latin GIRM says “kneeling or standing, as determined by the Conference of Bishops” but since they ask standers to make a separate reverence it can be inferred that they’d prefer that we kneel.