Give me your best argument AGAINST becoming Catholic.

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CrossofChrist said:
That doesn’t imply that the Scriptures are our only source of knowledge about Christ.
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Peter_J said:
And he was right … well, unless you take it in an absolute sense, which would make the early church ignorant of Christ up until they wrote stuff down! 🙂
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Am I implying anything of the like? It is obviously absent from my posts. And yet you feel the need to address it?

How about we show more reverence to the Scriptures.?

John 5:39 You search the scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness to me; 40 yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life.

Jerome is just reaffirming what Christ had already declared.

Nothing like a Catholic Saint to bring us back to reality.

Is there like a IPR clause on Catholic Saints to be use exclusively by Catholics? I thought they are for the benefit of the whole world?
 
Intellectual Property Rights.

Absolutely. That doesn’t mean we can do away with the gift of Scriptures and speak of them dismissively.

A point can be driven across with discretion.

Of course, I’m all for funny looking gifs 😃
 
Peter_J said:
And he was right … well, unless you take it in an absolute sense, which would make the early church ignorant of Christ up until they wrote stuff down! 🙂
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The early Church wouldn’t have been ignorant of Christ, although I can see why that might be assumed, because the disciples were filled with Holy Spirit and whomever was in the company of the Apostles were blessed by them and their preaching. But certainly the early Christian communities were blessed by the Holy Spirit in a powerful way. And this would have enlightened them obviously with the Christological gift of understanding when reflecting back upon the Hebrew Scriptures of which they would have already been fairly knowledgeable because they, the Jewish communities, had a pretty thorough knowledge of the Hebrew Scriptures, their religion, via oral recitation.
 
Isaiah45_9 said:
How about we show more reverence to the Scriptures.?

John 5:39 You search the scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness to me; 40 yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life.
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I think Jesus here is referring to being found in the Old Testament if looked for - the Prophets gave Testament to Him. Hence, the need for solid Catholic exegesis. 😉
 
friardchips said:
I think Jesus here is referring to being found in the Old Testament if looked for - the Prophets gave Testament to Him. Hence, the need for solid Catholic exegesis. 😉
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Of course, considering His audience as well. There are very few as powerful witnesses to Scriptures as St. Jerome.

St. Jerome, pray for us that we may be a living offering of what Scriptures witness to our Lord Jesus Christ and may we imitate what the Scriptures contain. In the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Amen.
 
Isaiah45_9 said:
Yes. “There is no salvation outside the church”

In order to be in the Church, you must accept all dogmas and doctrines of the Church.

IOW, there is no salvation unless you accept them.
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Please provide support for this claim. There are degrees of accepting doctrines. There are degrees of doctrinal importance related to salvation. There are degrees of rejection of truth.

Jose, please take a moment to cool down. I can sense the anxiety in your responses. Im all for your time spent in discerning things which are important to the fundamentals of our faith.

And as for that silly image of Jesus with the sarcastic comment about the “Bible”, I dont think it represents either a Catholic or Protestant appreciation for Sacred Scripture. I dont think using the Scriptures as a joke helps bring understanding between churches of which the Scriptures are our largest source of communion and fellowship.
 
Isaiah45_9 said:
Of course, considering His audience as well. There are very few as powerful witnesses to Scriptures as St. Jerome.

St. Jerome, pray for us that we may be a living offering of what Scriptures witness to our Lord Jesus Christ and may we imitate what the Scriptures contain. In the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Amen.
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👍👍👍

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I love Jerome!
 
PRmerger said:
What was the error?
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:D…
  • 'Me too. Or maybe brandy, but the glass is too big for that.’
I’m not a drinker but I do know that brandy glasses in comparison to wine glasses are very large roundish vessels.

And I was expecting you to pick up on that! 🙂
 
friardchips said:
:D…
  • 'Me too. Or maybe brandy, but the glass is too big for that.’
I’m not a drinker but I do know that brandy glasses in comparison to wine glasses are very large roundish vessels.

And I was expecting you to pick up on that! 🙂
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Sorry, I know that was completely irrelevant. Btw…I think that throne looks really uncomfortable!

In response to the OP’s thread: ‘Give me your best argument AGAINST becoming Catholic’: there aren’t any (to cut a long story short!), there are only wavering excuses! :p:)
 
rcwitness said:
Please provide support for this claim. There are degrees of accepting doctrines. There are degrees of doctrinal importance related to salvation. There are degrees of rejection of truth.
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First we must ask what does “De Fide” mean:

“De Fide” means of the faith. That which is “De Fide” must be believed by Catholics.

From Ott’s Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma:

§ 3. Mary’s Immaculate Conception
  1. Dogma
    Mary was conceived without stain of original sin.
    (De Fide.)​
On the 8th Decetnber, 1854, Pope Pius IX, in the Bull Ineffabilis " promulU
gated the following doctri.ne as revealed by God, and therefore to be believed firmly and constantly by all the faithful: “The Most Holy Virgin Mary was, in the first moment of her conception, by a unique gift of grace and privilege of Almighty God, in view of the merits of Jesus Christ, the Redeelner of mankind, preserved free from all stain of original sin.” D 164-1.
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IOW, the IC [must] be believed by Catholics.

Do you think someone can go through RCIA to become Catholic and be received into the Church if they don’t believe the IC to be true?
rcwitness said:
Jose, please take a moment to cool down. I can sense the anxiety in your responses. Im all for your time spent in discerning things which are important to the fundamentals of our faith.
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There is no anxiety in my responses.

This is the second time you make reference to my discernment process. I ask you to please refrain from doing so.

I back all of my responses with authoritative documents. Unless I am met under the same conditions, its all just opinions.
 
Isaiah45_9 said:
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Am I implying anything of the like? It is obviously absent from my posts. And yet you feel the need to address it?
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You used that famous quote from St. Jerome when responding to a post criticizing Sola Scriptura. So it could easily have been taken as implying that Scripture is our only source of knowledge about Christ.

But in any case, mea culpa, I probably shouldn’t jump into the middle of a conversation without knowing much about what was going on earlier. 😊
 
Indeed.

If one cannot conform one’s views to the Catholic Church, then one is creating a god in one’s own image.
 
CrossofChrist said:
You used that famous quote from St. Jerome when responding to a post criticizing Sola Scriptura. So it could easily have been taken as implying that Scripture is our only source of knowledge about Christ.
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Yes. That is how it came across, to be sure.
 
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