Giving Offerings To Saints?

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St. Expedite because he isn’t even a real Saint
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Incorrect. He’s a real saint, listed in the Roman Martyrology with a feast day of April 19. He was an early Christian martyr about whom not much is known. Tradition says that he was Armenian and/or a soldier. Many churches are named after him.

It’s true he is among the group that were purged from the calendar, but as veneration of him (and St Philomena, St. Christopher etc) is permitted by the Church to continue, we can safely assume that when we invoke such a saint, someone in Heaven answers. Given the huge number of early Christian martyrs about whom not much is known, it’s not inconceivable that one fits the profile or takes up the prayer intercessions.

 
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I see what you’re getting at. It is all the same Saint Expeditus, worldwide.
There is only one such saint. The veneration of him occurs in many European countries and then spread to many countries in the New World including the Caribbean islands, South America and New Orleans.

Saint Expeditus - the same saint, worldwide - was purged from the calendar for the same reasons as Sts. Philomena and Christopher, namely there was insufficient evidence of them in the eyes of the Vatican, which was also anxious to reduce the number of saints on the calendar. Certain saints became favorites of the practitioners of various forms of hoodoo and were associated by these practitioners with folkloric pagan gods or demons.

It’s not that there’s a “different St. Expeditus” in New Orleans, it’s that there is a hoodoo/ voodoo cult of him that has its own practices that do not comport to the teaching of the Church.

It’s fine to pray, in the sincerely Catholic manner, to St. Expeditus, or to other saints who are still on the calendar but are favorites of hoodoo practitioners such as St. Jude, St. Anthony of Padua, etc. I have prayed in this manner to St. Expeditus for his intercession (I simply say the old collect for him that was said at Mass for centuries on his feast day when he was still on the calendar). And of course everyone prays in the Catholic manner to St. Jude and St. Anthony.

It’s wrong to believe in the “hoodoo” version of such saints or practice the prayer rituals associated with them. You are likely to get a demon on the line rather than the saint.
 
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No, that’s not what I am getting at. “St. Expedite” from New Orleans is not in any way related to St. Expeditus who died in 303AD and is a Catholic Saint. Similar names, not the same person. The New Orleans figure isn’t even real. The pound cake is related to the legend of the New Orleans figure, not St. Expeditus.
 
I have not found any written sources in any of my research supporting a purported different, second St. Expeditus in New Orleans, separate from the original St. Expeditus who is venerated in Armenia, France, Brazil, Chile, etc. His legend simply migrated to New Orleans, not surprising considering that it is a heavily Catholic port city.

Do you have a source that the St. Expeditus in New Orleans was a completely different person from St. Expeditus in Europe and South America? And what is the history of the New Orleans St. Expeditus supposed to be?

The tales from various countries that veneration of St. Expeditus arose in certain places when a box of unidentified statues showed up marked “Expedite” are generally considered folk tales which in some sources are shown to be dated long after the saint’s veneration was already underway, in other words “cool story bro”. See for example this post discussing the “Paris nuns’ tale” of a box of statues showing up which is just like the New Orleans tale…

 
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I watched it, and all that is, is Father Dan repeating the same old folk tale that is generally regarded as apocryphal.

I did find a detailed discussion of St. Expedite’s history with New Orleans and I am confident that when St. Expedite arrived in New Orleans, it was the exact same St. Expedite as was and is venerated all over Europe and in South America.

http://www.louisianafolklife.org/LT/Articles_Essays/lfmexpedito.html

I will step off the thread now as I don’t think there is any evidence anywhere for St. Expedite in New Orleans being a different guy than St. Expedite in Armenia, France, Brazil, Chile, etc. They all say he was a Roman soldier martyred in Armenia. If you wish to continue believing the New Orleans St. Expedite is a different person than the Armenian St. Expedite, that’s your prerogative, however there is no source support for that claim.
 
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There’s just no evidence connecting the two. The nuns never connected him to St. Expeditus so neither do I.
 
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Continuing along the line of the christmas tree and its pagan roots :))
 
TheLittleLady said:
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yahwehsdaughter:
people would take a pair of shoes, tie the strings together and throw them up on a telephone pole. They did that to offer the shoes to someone who is dead.
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I am a very inquisitive person. All of my life I have seen shoes thrown up that way and I have never met anyone who could explain it’s origin and meaning. THANK YOU
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When my son was young (late 60s, throughout 70s), bullies did that because the shoes were next to impossible to retrieve, and the poor kid whose shoes had been forcibly removed and thrown would likely be scolded by his parents. No ethnic, nor regional, nor religious mores or customs were involved, just bratty and bullying behavior.
 
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