Giving to the poor

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Companies don’t have to compete because, there are plenty of workers out there for the jobs. Companies can pretty much take there pick and have left overs. Its been that way for awhile. Now, there may be instances where individual managers are looking for really good team members. But as a whole, the competition is for the position, not the other way around…
Companies do have to compete for good workers. Yes, there is an abundance of “warm bodies”. The point is to be better than the mass of warm bodies so companies will compete for you.
I’m sure that outlook makes some feel pretty good about themselves. It kind of reminds me of the old “Luck and Pluck” stories. It also might be the basis of the modern Health, Wealth and Prosperity Gospel that is so popular…
the health and wealth line postulates that if you believe you will get things handed to you. Some will sit around and wait for a better opportunity to be handed to them. Successful people will make those opportunities.
Most managers feel that way. Now don’t get me wrong there are other types of motivation. But when the rubber hits the road, there is one very good way to show recognition of effort. Effort though is a four letter word in the modern corporate structure. The modern manager is about outcome not effort. If the desired outcome is not achieved then it doesn’t matter who put in what effort. In fact the one who usually gives the most effort is usually the one that blame will fall on. After all his/her effort displays “professional competency” which means that he/she should have known to motivate all of those who weren’t putting forth effort. It certainly isn’t the responsibility of the management to manage their resources. It’s the responsibility of their experts to do it.
Your right effort alone is not sufficient. I could work my but off trying to be an artist or athlete and will continually fail. In such pursuits, I should not be compensated for my effort. However I have found a line of work where I can be successful and am pursuing that. Effort is not merely showing up for eight hours and doing what you are told. It is also working after hours to better yourself and to prepare for better opportunities.
Two wrongs make a right gotcha. Also there is a difference, the companies in question don’t actually need to be saving the amount of money that they are. While the average worker’s salary has been steadily decreasing over the years, many companies are booming. Truth is they could take significant hits to profit and still come out pretty well, while increasing quality, research, and the quality of life of their employees. .
When you buy an import you are reducing your wages.
Companies have to cut costs to compete with other companies. If they don’t, they can not get investments and can not raise the revenues they need to operate. Do you want your 401 K invested in a fund that does not make a profit?
Sense you asked I do try to avoid products made in certain countries. It is hard though, they are quickly absorbing more of the share of the market. I’m sure though that companies are completely blameless for this, and are in fact victims. .
If someone in China is thrilled making $5 per day and outworks an American, how can you blame the company from taking that job away from an American who makes $75 a day, puts in a minimal effort, and complains about it?
Now I realize you think that is good. To me though that is a sad statement. There was a time when loyalty was appreciated. But this is all just a sign of the current mercenary approach to business. Everyman for himself. .
to clarify when I said “are still working for me in this same job after three years there is something wrong.” I meant if they didn’t get promoted. I am loyal to my employees and keep in touch with most of them. For them, the greatest reward I could have given them was the opportunity to excel. They took advantage of that opportunity.
No, its usually based on MJO’s or some other arbitrary construct, which is is more or less used to create reasons, to discount effort, or to make it appear as less. Effort is the concern of the worker, budgets and investors are the concern of management. In the end most people make a pre-determined, “cost of living” increase if they have performed above expectations, and the truly exceptional may make an additional percent possibly two more.
MJOs?

Within a pay grade there are usually brackets of salary. The point is to get into better job classifications and higher pay grades.
Well, if it were really all that different at any other place, then that might be a really good idea. And certainly some companies are better than others. But in the corporate world there usually isn’t that much of a difference in the culture. You are right though, its well known that the only way to gain better compensation is to get another job. As workers who are within a company seldom see any movement in their benefits or salary.
It seems like you have lost hope. That is one of my biggest frustration with the leftist activist, they go around convincing people that they don’t have any hope and if they want a better life their only option is to vote for leftist politicians. I have seen to many cases of people with the skills, talent, and ability who squander it because they have been convinced they do not have opportunity.
 
Companies do have to compete for good workers. Yes, there is an abundance of “warm bodies”. The point is to be better than the mass of warm bodies so companies will compete for you.
Good idea in theory.
the health and wealth line postulates that if you believe you will get things handed to you. Some will sit around and wait for a better opportunity to be handed to them. Successful people will make those opportunities.
Some people also like pie. But all of those that don’t succeed didn’t necessarily just "sit around, and not all of those who do succeed really put that much effort into it. There’s a lot more that goes into it, and a good deal of it has nothing to do with initiative, intelligence, or hard work. All of those qualities can help, but they do not by themselves really assure anything.
Your right effort alone is not sufficient. I could work my but off trying to be an artist or athlete and will continually fail. In such pursuits, I should not be compensated for my effort. However I have found a line of work where I can be successful and am pursuing that. Effort is not merely showing up for eight hours and doing what you are told. It is also working after hours to better yourself and to prepare for better opportunities.
Well I really wasn’t talking about doing work you’re not qualified for. Obviously you shouldn’t expect to be paid for what you can’t do. I speaking to the rather common managerial mistake of not paying attention to where effort is occurring and where its not, and its unwillingness to put effort into managing.
When you buy an import you are reducing your wages.
Yes, but I’d rather send money to a company with better corporate policies. But I do try to stay local. Also, I’d rather support a foreign company that actually hires American workers than an American company that won’t. The American company that won’t deserves to fail.
Companies have to cut costs to compete with other companies. If they don’t, they can not get investments and can not raise the revenues they need to operate. Do you want your 401 K invested in a fund that does not make a profit?
Yes, they’ve all crawled into the cesspool together that’s true. It would take regulation to pull them back. We’ve led the industrialized world down a primrose path. I’m afraid it won’t be to long before the chickens come home to roost.
If someone in China is thrilled making $5 per day and outworks an American, how can you blame the company from taking that job away from an American who makes $75 a day, puts in a minimal effort, and complains about it?
First of all, while a sweat shop worker may work more hours than an American, there is a great distance between that and “outworking”. Japan for years refused to follow our lead in making their premium automobiles, for the very fact that it was their belief that if you wanted quality you had use only Japanese, American, and Canadian workers. They were right.

I’m sorry that you seem to have such a low opinion of the American worker. You’d probably be surprised to hear that Americans have a reputation for over working abroad. Does it really set well with you to watch consumer dollars leave the country, and Chinese workers not paid a just wage? How about the fact that those dollars are helping to build the infrastructure of the world’s most powerful “leftist” nation, whose policies are often directly opposed to those of the West? All of that is cool, as long as the company gets to improve its profit margin?
to clarify when I said “are still working for me in this same job after three years there is something wrong.” I meant if they didn’t get promoted. I am loyal to my employees and keep in touch with most of them. For them, the greatest reward I could have given them was the opportunity to excel. They took advantage of that opportunity.
If everyone was able to go on to the careers they wanted then that’s great.
Major Job Objectives. Basically a point based system for determining an individual worker’s contributions over a given year. Different companies, and managers use the concept in different ways. But you get the idea.
Within a pay grade there are usually brackets of salary. The point is to get into better job classifications and higher pay grades.
Well it is true that one has to change jobs to get different pay, benefits or privileges. However, some people enter into a position they enjoy and excel at. They shouldn’t be punished for that. Why should someone go into management when they enjoy working, creating, and problem solving? Of course that is admittedly a subject thing, but honestly its silly to have to move out a position where you make a difference just so you can get paid more.
It seems like you have lost hope. That is one of my biggest frustration with the leftist activist, they go around convincing people that they don’t have any hope and if they want a better life their only option is to vote for leftist politicians. I have seen to many cases of people with the skills, talent, and ability who squander it because they have been convinced they do not have opportunity.
No, I just have open eyes when I’m in the work place. I have a good job, and honestly my current direct mangers are pretty good. Heck my director is actually pretty darn bright, which is something totally new to me. So no I could be doing a lot worse and I know it. I also have a senior position with one of the two largest Hospital companies in the nation Having started out working on a truck farm, I have a pretty good sense for just what opportunities I have had. And I thank God for them. However, I do not think that my success is because I’m so great. I’ve had some opportunities that others haven’t. There are better men than me doing a lot worse. Its them I feel for. Just because things are going good for me doesn’t mean I’m entitled. The Corporate culture in this country is strangling it. One doesn’t have to be “leftist” or on the “right” to figure that out.
 
RConstant and Royal Archer it appears that we have veered this discussion in another direction. I think it would be appropriate to instead open another thread to continue that seperate discussion. Its a good debate but its kind of off topic.
 
RConstant and Royal Archer it appears that we have veered this discussion in another direction. I think it would be appropriate to instead open another thread to continue that seperate discussion. Its a good debate but its kind of off topic.
Your right, see my response on the detour at:
royal_archer said:
From other thread on “giving to the poor”
 
why does the vatican not give all its riches to the poor?
On the same level as your question: because the money generated by the sales would feed the poor for only a few days. After that, no one would have anything.

On a higher level: because the things are beautiful and were dedicated to God. We need *more *than just food. The poor need more than just food. We need to see the glory of God presented in a material way. Don’t you feel a difference between a Mass in a cathedral and a Mass in an unadorned basement?
 
Everyone should give what they can to the poor, even if it’s a few coins in the poor box at Church. God knows each of our circumstances. Jesus told us that whatever we do to help the least among us we have done it for Him.

It is a true exercise of our faith to give what we can to the poor. It is one of our works and a visible sign of fruitfulness to be concerned and give to the poor.

Peace,
Ed
 
I recently found an article in one of my foriegn policy magazines and the author deals with an issue very similar to this.This is how John L. Allen a senior correspondent for the National Catholic Reporter and seior Vatican analyst for CNN addressed the issue;
The Vaticais rumored to be swimming in loot,but its annual budges less than $400 million. For comparion consider that Harvard Univerity’s is more than $3billion. The vatican’s portfolio of stock, bonds,and real estate comes to roughly $1 billion.Oprah Winfrey alll by herself is 2.5 billion.
The great artistic treasures like Michaleangelo’Pieta, are literally priceless: They’re listed on Vatican ooks at a value of 1 euro each because they n never be sold or borowed against.
The church owns alot of land, it operates a vast network of schools, hospitals, and social sevice centers. n 2001, the annual revenue ofCatholic programs in the United Statescame to $102 billion. "Yet most of these programs either barely break eve or operate in the red, n part because they often serve low income minority populations. Popular immages ofbags of cash stiockpiled in the church basement, however are misleding. They simply arent there.
 
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