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deogratias
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Even in the U.S. where allowances have been made, easily breakable material is forbidden.
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buffalo
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After RS was issued what dioceses are allowed to continue to use glass chalices?
Reprobated, therefore, is any practice of using for the celebration of Mass common vessels, or others lacking in quality, or devoid of all artistic merit or which are mere containers, as also other vessels made from glass, earthenware, clay, or other materials that break easily.
Reprobated, therefore, is any practice of using for the celebration of Mass common vessels, or others lacking in quality, or devoid of all artistic merit or which are mere containers, as also other vessels made from glass, earthenware, clay, or other materials that break easily.
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LaVada
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Hi, all:
Guess old age has clouded my ability to understand. (smile) How can people - seemingly of good will - continue to discuss something that has been “reprobated” by Rome. They said "no glass vessels back in March and published in April. They said that the document was effective immediately. There is no blessing in “disobedience”.
Peace on earth to men of good will.
LaVada
Guess old age has clouded my ability to understand. (smile) How can people - seemingly of good will - continue to discuss something that has been “reprobated” by Rome. They said "no glass vessels back in March and published in April. They said that the document was effective immediately. There is no blessing in “disobedience”.
Peace on earth to men of good will.
LaVada
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wannabee
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Maybe this is a silly question - but for those using Glass Chalices - has anyone actually searched in the cupboards for the Metal ones that were used before ? It can be almost frightening looking through cupboards and storage areas - you may be suprised at what you find .
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Bobby_Jim
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Given that there are parishes in my diocese that can’t afford to turn the on lights on Sunday morning, or heat the building in the winter, or pay for a choir director or organist, I am guessing they are not going to run right out and replace their “reprobated” glass chalices with gold-plated ones that start at $150 for barely enough gold content to carry the word “gold”… and as I think about it, that doesn’t seem so reverent either - if you’re going to make a point of using gold or gold plate, you should use good quality gold - is a gold-colored alloy with 75% zinc and copper really that much more fitting for the Precious Blood? So these poor parishes are even less likely to go out and spend $500-1000 for a chalice with a good quality gold plate.
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Psalm45_9
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I remember two years ago a priest used potery to hold the body and blood of Christ. Although these are probaby the utensils that Jesus used at the last supper, I do not think this is appropriate for mass. I would want to offer him the best, and use gold or at least silver.
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francisca
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I admire the great reverence shown in the liturgy. But I think this “ceremonial reverence” should also be “understood” it’s meaning for everyday life. Otherwise it’s meaningless.
With all do respect to liturgy, I really think that all chalice material is not of the greatest importance , because all materials are unworthy since Adams fall. But what makes it worthy is “what is in it” .
We are all are unworthy unclean “earthen” vessels. And we certainly are “breakable”. But God who lives in us makes us worthy, “unearthen/ heavenly”, clean and unbreakable. This is not because of “what material we are made of”, but it is more because of “The One” who lives in us.
So these terms of “cleanness, unbreakable, etc” are refering to God’s Holiness that makes holy all things, and takes away the “unwortiness” from the vessels that we are.
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For through the law I died to the law, 19 that I might live for God . I have been crucified with Christ;
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yet I live, no longer I, but Christ lives in me; insofar as I now live in the flesh, I live by faith in the Son of God who has loved me and given himself up for me.
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I do not nullify the grace of God; for if justification comes through the law, then Christ died for nothing.
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What if God, wishing to show his wrath and make known his power, has endured with much patience the VESSELS of wrath made for destruction?
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This was to make known the riches of his glory to the VESSELS of mercy, which he has prepared previously for glory,
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namely, us whom he has called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles.
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As indeed he says in Hosea: " Those who were not my people I will call ‘my people,’ and her who was not beloved 9 I will call ‘beloved.’
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And in the very place where it was said to them, ‘You are not my people,’ there they shall be called children of the living God."
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And Isaiah cries out concerning Israel, “Though the number of the Israelites were like the sand of the sea, only a remnant will be saved;
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for decisively and quickly will the Lord execute sentence upon the earth.”
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And as Isaiah predicted: “Unless the Lord of hosts had left us descendants, we would have become like Sodom and have been made like Gomorrah.”
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10 What then shall we say? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have achieved it, that is, righteousness that comes from faith ;
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but that Israel, who pursued the law of righteousness, did not attain to that law ?
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Why not? Because they did it not by faith , but as if it could be done by works. They stumbled over the stone that causes stumbling, 11
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as it is written: “Behold, I am laying a stone in Zion that will make people stumble and a rock that will make them fall, and whoever believes in him shall not be put to shame.”
God bless
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Charlemagne
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The gold and silver Chalices I have seen have all had a very large base, often larger then the cup part of the Chalice. I believe this is meant to minimize the risk of tipping a Chalice over accidentally. Metal Chalices appear to me to be much larger and thus heavier, which woul also minimize the risk of accidentally tipping the Chalice over. Of the few glass “Chalices” I have seen in my Diocese, none have had a large base and all were small when compared to a metal Chalice. Glass seems like you’re asking for trouble.
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Bobby_Jim
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All the same, I have never seen a chalice (metal or glass) tipped or dropped or mishandled in any way. The only times I have ever seen the Precious Blood spilled are when a communicant (illicitly) does self-intinction, and once when a metal chalice was overfilled, and a drop spilled as the communicant gave the cup back to the minister.
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buffalo
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If it’s not so important than what’s the problem with just following the rubrics, glass not being allowed?
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Almeria
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I noticed on vacation home this weekend that my parent’s parish is still using glass for the EMHC’s 2 chalices. I know they’ve used glass for almost 20 years, and the glass was replacement for the old metal ones that had gotten too worn to be used, so there’s no proper ones stored away anywhere. People here have mentioned that gold ones can be gotten inexpensively. My husband and I would like to give a gift of proper chalices to the church. If it’s appropiate to ask here, where can I find the inexpensive chalices? If that’s not appropiate to ask here, do you think we’re better off buying inexpensive ones and making a gift of them (after talking to the priest, of course), or making a gift of the money that we can afford to the church, and either they buy cheap chalices or ask the parishioners to match the funds to buy better chalices? It is a poor parish, and I know they just don’t have the funds themselves, even for the cheap chalices…
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