GLBT club at Catholic College

[hamburglar]

A few days ago, I posted about how my Catholic college was to have a gay rights speaker come. Fortunately, the event was cancelled, and the college is working to make sure something like this doesn’t happen again.

Now it has come to my attention that there is a club on campus called “the Alliance.” I think that this is a club for gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transexual students. Their goal is “to bring inclusiveness” to the college.

The clubs here are funded by the college. This means that this club that promotes views contrary to Church teaching is getting money from the college.

Is this something I should be worried about?

 

[Exalt]

Not happy with just silencing the gay rights speaker, are ya? Now it’s time to turn on the students, right?

 

[PetersKeys]

Not happy with just silencing the gay rights speaker, are ya? Now it’s time to turn on the students, right?

It has nothing to do with “silencing” the students or gays. They are free to talk wherever they want in a secular arena. It has to do with a organization claiming to be “Catholic” and then dissenting from what they claim to be but including things that go against Catholic teaching. Its lying to the public.

It would be like a College catered to the homosexual community to bring in a “Biblical speaker” in to their school to talk about the sin of homosexuality. Or for their school to have a “fundamentalist” club that talks and supports why homosexuality is a sin.

God talked in Revelation about spitting out the “lukewarm” christians.

 

[Exalt]

It has nothing to do with “silencing” the students or gays. They are free to talk wherever they want in a secular arena. It has to do with a organization claiming to be “Catholic” and then dissenting from what they claim to be but including things that go against Catholic teaching. Its lying to the public.

God talked in Revelation about spitting out the “lukewarm” christians.

We don’t know if this GLBT organization claimed to be Catholic.

And even if it *did *claim to be Catholic, it would be no different than the countless Catholics out there who disagree with this teaching or that.

If the cafeteria really *is *closed, as you and the OP want it to be, you’ll find the cafeteria all-but empty. People don’t like being told to eat food they can’t stomach, and soon the cafeteria will be empty. It happened in the 11th century, it happened in the 15th century, and it could happen again in the 21st century if the conservative Catholics get thier way.

 

[hamburglar]

We don’t know if this GLBT organization claimed to be Catholic.

And even if it *did *claim to be Catholic, it would be no different than the countless Catholics out there who disagree with this teaching or that.

If the cafeteria really *is *closed, as you and the OP want it to be, you’ll find the cafeteria all-but empty. People don’t like being told to eat food they can’t stomach, and soon the cafeteria will be empty. It happened in the 11th century, it happened in the 15th century, and it could happen again in the 21st century if the conservative Catholics get thier way.

Could you please stop coming into my threads and turning them off-topic? You already got one of my threads closed, so please stop the harassment.

 

[PetersKeys]

We don’t know if this GLBT organization claimed to be Catholic.

And even if it *did *claim to be Catholic, it would be no different than the countless Catholics out there who disagree with this teaching or that.

If the cafeteria really *is *closed, as you and the OP want it to be, you’ll find the cafeteria all-but empty. People don’t like being told to eat food they can’t stomach, and soon the cafeteria will be empty. It happened in the 11th century, it happened in the 15th century, and it could happen again in the 21st century if the conservative Catholics get thier way.

It’s not really about what “people want to hear” but about the truth that needs to be told. If people want to hear what they want to hear then they should not be in church and less alone a Catholic one.

If they disagree then there not really true Catholics and they should go to another College that suits “their views”. They are dissenters by definition.

Id rather have the cafeteria full of 5 true believing Catholics rather than 5000 lukewarm ones who prefer to seem agreeable to everyone. How hypocritical it is to claim to be a faith that you don’t even follow or to claim that the rules don’t apply to you. Are you special?

 

[Exalt]

It’s not really about what “people want to hear” but about the truth that needs to be told. If people want to hear what they want to hear then they should not be in church and less alone a Catholic one.

If they disagree then there not really true Catholics and they should go to another College that suits “their views”. They are dissenters by definition.

Id rather have the cafeteria full of 5 true believing Catholics rather than 5000 lukewarm ones who prefer to seem agreeable to everyone. How hypocritical it is to claim to be a faith that you don’t even follow or to claim that the rules don’t apply to you. Are you special?

Forgive me, but I don’t believe you need to be Catholic to go to a Catholic University.

 

[Exalt]

Could you please stop coming into my threads and turning them off-topic? You already got one of my threads closed, so please stop the harassment.

Oh, it’s quite relevant. There is precidence here. The Church is a vast institution - both physically and historically. We’ve seen issues like this before. We’ve seen where they *could *lead. That’s what I was pointing out.

Luther was a professor, you know. He taught at a university. He had problems with the Church, and the Church reacted by silencing him. I’m sure you know the rest of the story.

There’s a lesson there, my friend.

Hier stehe ich. Ich kann nicht anders.

 

[LRThunder]

Forgive me, but I don’t believe you need to be Catholic to go to a Catholic University.

True, but in order for a Catholic University to be a Catholic University, they need to stop sponsoring groups or events that are contrary to the faith. If they continue doing so, they shouldn’t associate themselves with the Catholic Church.

 

[NewUlm1976_2000]

A few days ago, I posted about how my Catholic college was to have a gay rights speaker come. Fortunately, the event was cancelled, and the college is working to make sure something like this doesn’t happen again.

Now it has come to my attention that there is a club on campus called “the Alliance.” I think that this is a club for gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transexual students. Their goal is “to bring inclusiveness” to the college.

The clubs here are funded by the college. This means that this club that promotes views contrary to Church teaching is getting money from the college.

Is this something I should be worried about?

They canceled it? I am sorry to hear that. You and your college were deprived of a very fruitful educational opportunity to expand your horizons. You have my condolences.

You should support The Alliance, as they are working to break down the barriers and add understanding and compassion between them and all students on campus. They should not be driven out. I would work with The Alliance to help them expand their reach and reschedule that opportunity, maybe before the end of the semester.

You are looking for a boogyman that is not there. There is nothing to fear from GLBT speakers or clubs. Embrace and work through your differences with them, do not fear them.

 

[mlchance]

You are looking for a boogyman that is not there.

No, you’re the one raising the boogeyman. One stuffed with straw.

There is nothing to fear from GLBT speakers or clubs. Embrace and work through your differences with them, do not fear them.

Adherence to the Magesterium and insisting Catholic institutions present themselves as authentically Catholic is not fear. It is the obedience of faith.

– Mark L. Chance.

 

[Kevin42]

I think that before you do anything, you need to get a very specific idea of what this organization does, and what their goal is. “Bringing inclusiveness” is incredibly vague. Get a better idea of what their goal is. Then you can really know what (if anything) you are up against.

 

[NewUlm1976_2000]

No, you’re the one raising the boogeyman. One stuffed with straw.

Adherence to the Magesterium and insisting Catholic institutions present themselves as authentically Catholic is not fear. It is the obedience of faith.

– Mark L. Chance.

No, not at all, the OP appears to have some internal fear towards those with people who have GLBT as part of their overall being. It is not there.

That is the endless question here at CAF, what is “authentically Catholic”. You say it is nothing but “obedience”, and I will ask you, what type of faith is that? Obedience is often following some idea out of fear for something else (usually fear of eternal hellfire that is often used), is that really spiritually fertile ground? Where is the mustard seed falling? I see it as falling on the stony rock. There is not much compassion in this thread, which is the fertile ground that the mustard seed of faith thrives on. I do not see people as different because of this or that because someone tells me so.

 

[Kevin42]

Jesus was obedient to His Father in Heaven. Let us in turn imitate Him and be obedient to His Father in heaven as well as His Vicar on earth. Obedience for Catholics has nothing to do with fear, and everything to do with love, and imitating Jesus. That being said, we also need to imitate ALL actions of Jesus, including His compassion for the sinner, which you rightly point out.

 

[PetersKeys]

Forgive me, but I don’t believe you need to be Catholic to go to a Catholic University.

Well gee then. Maybe we should have grocery stores that don’t sell food, car dealers that don’t sell cars, and clothing stores that don’t sell clothing. False advertising for everyone.

What institutions advertise themselves to be(whether stores, colleges, churches, charitys, etc), they need to stay true to their Title and what they are claiming to represent. When an Institution claims to be Catholic it is claiming to follow the doctrines of the Church and within the Church.

It would be like forcing religious adherence in a public secular college. You wouldn’t like that now, would you?

 

[gam197]

Alliance’s leadership makes me wonder but please check it out and let us know.

I’d also question funding for CFI. It is a Humanist group(Atheist). Scroll down and I believe you will see your school listed.

secularstudents.org/affiliates

 

[gam197]

secularstudents.org/affiliates

Please check into Alliance.

I also would question CFI. Please scroll down on the link I posted. Why would a Catholic College fund an Humanist group(atheist)?

 

[NewUlm1976_2000]

Well gee then. Maybe we should have grocery stores that don’t sell food, car dealers that don’t sell cars, and clothing stores that don’t sell clothing. False advertising for everyone.

What institutions advertise themselves to be(whether stores, colleges, churches, charitys, etc), they need to stay true to their Title and what they are claiming to represent. When an Institution claims to be Catholic it is claiming to follow the doctrines of the Church and within the Church.

It would be like forcing religious adherence in a public secular college. You wouldn’t like that now, would you?

Then we come up against the discussions of should Catholic Colleges be an advanced catechism school or a liberal arts school? The educational missions of colleges and universtites are to present students with a broad, thought provoking view on life.

Not allowing GLBT groups to be on campuses would hurt the students by sheltering them from people they will encounter at some point in their future. Life is diverse, Catholic colleges and Universities owe it to the students to present as diverse picture as possible. The world is full of infinite shades of grey and is not black and white if you use a straight, literal CCC interpretation.

 

[NewUlm1976_2000]

secularstudents.org/affiliates

Please check into Alliance.

I also would question CFI. Please scroll down on the link I posted. Why would a Catholic College fund an Humanist group(atheist)?

Ok, if this is the same group the OP mentioned, I do not see anything towards GLBT, it probably touches those issues from time to time, but I do not see it as a main focus.

cfimichigan.org/about/

I see a spiritual group, not an atheist group. Examples from past events are the November Interfaith dinner, and a study on the Historical Jesus. Secular Humanist does not equal atheist.

Why are they around on a Catholic College? Overlap in beliefs, epically the Catholic Social Justice Teachings. The US is a secular country, and is not any type of theocracy towards any specific religion. This group is trying to show realistic examples that students at the specific College can use while still in school and beyond College (I would expect there are many non-Catholic who attend the college). It is challenging Social Teachings into more than what is set out by official Catholic sources. It does not invalidate anything in the Catholic Church or any other religion.

 

[mlchance]

No, not at all, the OP appears to have some internal fear…

You have the ability to assess internal fears via the internet? Hmm.

That is the endless question here at CAF, what is “authentically Catholic”. You say it is nothing but “obedience”, and I will ask you, what type of faith is that?

Please quote me saying faith is nothing but obedience.

There is not much compassion in this thread, which is the fertile ground that the mustard seed of faith thrives on.

There’s no mention of compassion in that particular parable in any of the Gospels which record it. Aside from that, your track record of advocating people to engage in gravely immoral activity that jeopardizes their immortal souls certainly calls into question your commitment to compassion.

The educational missions of colleges and universtites are to present students with a broad, thought provoking view on life.

The educational mission of any Catholic institution is to present the fullness of Catholic teaching across the curriculum.

Not allowing GLBT groups to be on campuses would hurt the students by sheltering them from people they will encounter at some point in their future.

Please present evidence of this alleged hurt.

– Mark L. Chance.