Glenn Beck, Cleon Skousen, Amerigo Vespucci, & Me

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*In short, a large number of Utahns have been watching Glenn Beck, and taking him very seriously indeed. And the movement he leads and inspires seems to be growing. Call them tea partiers or 9/12ers or Palinistas, there’s a widespread anxiety on the Right that’s finding a voice. And the ideas aren’t just those of Beck. In addition to Satanic Supreme Court decisions, Darwin, and the Constitution, one other publication is prominently featured in the McNaughton painting. On Jesus’s right hand, in the Good People group, an African-American college student holds a copy of Cleon Skousen’s The Five Thousand Year Leap.

Published in 1981, and long out of print, Skousen’s book has resurfaced recently thanks to Glenn Beck. Beck has touted it as the book that “changed his life.” He wrote a preface to a new edition, published with permission of the Skousen family. It’s appeared on the New York Times best-seller list. And the ideas which animate Beck’s program come directly from Skousen. There’s a connection between Skousen and Beck, and the John Birch Society, and Evan Mecham and President Ezra Taft Benson. And one of the things they all have in common is a certain definition of America. Exceptionalist America defined not as a landmass or a political idea, but as a fundamentally religious construct, eschatological, millennial, apocalyptic, and ecstatic. By describing the past, these people’s intent is to found a movement that will define a future built on manifest destiny, overt religiosity, moralism and aggressively laissez faire capitalism.

I think that’s why so much of Beck’s rhetoric constructs Obama as Other—a socialist, a Maoist, a smooth-talkin’ charmer. I expect that Obama’s race is also a factor, and his suspiciously Moslem sounding name. Obama’s different. And “different” suggests corruption, yet another variant on our national loss of innocence. Innovation equals apostasy.

It’s strange to me that this particular meme would find a foothold in Mormonism. Our story is less about apostasy than restoration. We don’t see early 19th-century America as a paradise—we’re more inclined to view early 19th century Americans as the guys who were trying to kill us. Joseph Smith was a fervent Jacksonian—Andy Jackson, who saw the Founders as Pharisees; the hot-tempered firebrand who kicked the money-changers out of the temple. Later, though, Joseph came to recognize the limitations of Jacksonism—the states’ rights, limited government conservatism that, to Joseph, was holding back progress. Joseph wanted an activist government, funding the building of levees on the Mississippi, even paying slave-owners to end slavery (what a colossal expansion of the powers of the federal government that would have entailed!). Specifically, Joseph wanted the federal government to force Missouri to give us our money back. Honestly, why aren’t we all progressives?*
 
I’ve read a fair bit of Skousen, and he and I agree on quite a lot. We differ on religious and philosophical foundation, but agree on laissez-faire capitalism and on strict constitutionalism. Yes, I can definitely see Skousen’s influence on Beck.
 
Ahimsa,

I don’t think you’ve watched Glenn Beck enough to form an informed opinion. I surmise this because most of what you said was patently false.

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As an ex-socialist myself, I think you might find it interesting to learn more about the racist roots of progressives in this country. And their connection to the Nazi and Communist parties, and their support for abortion, eugenics, etc.
 
Altho the author of this piece is Mormon, he does bring up some good points. The time of the American Revolution was not all that rosy, and the Am Rev and subsequent events were based on erroneous Enlightenment thinking. Certainly what is happening on both sides of the aisle now have their roots in Protestant and Enlightenment thought.

For that reason, Catholics cannot truly support either “side.” (I put side in quotation marks because altho we fantasize about there being 2 major modes of thought, what we really have is lots of modes stemming from one.) Neither side is truly Catholic; as one person put it, one ignores the principle of subsidiarity, the other of social justice (which is not to say that everything put forth under the rubric of social justice actually falls there).

But almost all political thinking today is based on a false way of looking at man, at human nature, and our ultimate destiny. The far left sees people as cogs in a machine which can be tuned to turn out more useful citizens; the far right sees people as having a command of their destiny which just doesn’t exist in this world.

All current political thought excludes the necessity of the State to help the citizens to achieve holiness, ignores the end or purpose of individual people, and ignores the uniqueness of each human being. As a result, our nation is pulled in different directions, none of which suits, and rather than having the political process be what it ought to be, which is one united people moving in the same direction towards Heaven, and simply deciding the best means of achieving the end of the government rather than tussling over which direction the government should go in.
 
*…I think that’s why so much of Beck’s rhetoric constructs Obama as Other—a socialist, a Maoist, a smooth-talkin’ charmer. *I expect that Obama’s race is also a factor, and his suspiciously Moslem sounding name. **Obama’s different. And “different” suggests corruption, yet another variant on our national loss of innocence. Innovation equals apostasy…
I am soooooooo sick of hearing this. It completely invalidates the truly necessary critiques of our current race to totally destroy our economy by proven bad tactics, and is a cheap ploy to silence those who are genuinely concerned that our children and grandchildren are going to be left a nation in terrible debt and in a terrible state.
 
I wonder if there is a third option of people, like myself, who hate Sarah Palin, Glen Beck AND Obama! 👍
 
I wonder if there is a third option of people, like myself, who hate Sarah Palin, Glen Beck AND Obama! 👍
That’s where I am, though, I don’t hate them. I just don’t agree with any of them. The last major election I thought about drawing straws.
 
The irony is, if Beck or Skousen had been around during Joe Smith’s United Order or Kirtland Safety Society days, they would have been shouting “Communist” from the rooftops.
 
The irony is, if Beck or Skousen had been around during Joe Smith’s United Order or Kirtland Safety Society days, they would have been shouting “Communist” from the rooftops.
Beck would’ve called Jesus a Communist, I reckon.😃
 
Beck would’ve called Jesus a Communist, I reckon.😃
I’m guessing he wouldn’t. I’ve never seen a communist who was a “cheerful giver”. 😃

Maybe on a personal level, but its a far cry from a statist communist.
 
I’m guessing he wouldn’t. I’ve never seen a communist who was a “cheerful giver”. 😃
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Agreed. Perhaps “hate” is a strong word. I’ll say “get under my skin” or “drive me mad” in place of “hate” LOL

I think what’s wrong with America is that I had to choose between Obama and McCain/Palin (Palin was my deciding factor in NOT voting for the McCain). I should never have had to choose between those two camps.
That’s where I am, though, I don’t hate them. I just don’t agree with any of them. The last major election I thought about drawing straws.
 
Probably. He already tries to attribute a deep Christian religious consciousness to the Founding Fathers, especially the ones who were Deists and not Christian at all! It’s amazing to back and study how many of our national heroes were not Christian. Even Mark Twain was very irreligious and often said anti-Christian comments. I think the religious anachronistic views of Republicans is that every single American was a hardcore, faithful, unwavering Christian until thirty years ago. It’s absurd. And even worse the Democrats believe the nation was secular and had no faith nor should it. Both are living in la-la land.

The Mayflower had two camps on board: religious pilgrims and capitalist opportunists who were in it for $$$, secularists. Hence the Compact. Today we still live in a culture of religious and secular Americans with different agendas. We have to keep a balance of respect for both sides and be realists about our history. I can admire Thomas Jefferson and all he accomplished but also be realistic that he was a Deist and definitely no Christian at all. I can also be honest that “under God” as added to the pledge in recent times, not in the early days of the Fathers. But I can also realize that the Bill of Rights gives us freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion.

Beck is a revisionist and a fanatic, an anachronism and he loves to over-simplify anyone with a pro-government solution as a rampant communist Lenin-following pinko. But it’s the Fox News crowd’s favorite word—socialism. Beck obviously has confusion about who God is anyway. After all he was a Catholic and converted to Mormonism! He must be confused! 😛
Beck would’ve called Jesus a Communist, I reckon.😃
 
I have to laugh at the Beck critics. It is so obvious you have never watched the show. He asks people to read and find the answers themselves. He has never called anyone a socialist or Maoist that didn’t describe themselves as such; on video.

I have watched him for almost a year, and what I have gotten from him is:

Read and “Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear.”
    • Thomas Jefferson
Read the constitution and the founding documents.

History of the progressive movement, and read their founding documents in THEIR words.

The haters fear the American people actually learning about the constitution and the Federalist Papers. If someone reads the words of our founders, and thinks they are not Christians, in principle if not in personal conviction, they are terribly ignorant of the FF. Including the 18th century definition of “deist”, the pathetic trope of the anti-christian left.
 
Hi Amen,

I’m not sure to whom you’re addressing your post but I’ll gladly reply. I have indeed watched countless hours of Beck, both my wife and I. We’ve seen probably thirty episodes of his show. And your statement that he’s never called anyone a socialist or a Maoist is patently not true. He has indeed.

Have you missed all the endless episodes where he has the blackboard/chalkboard and he posts pictures of Democratic presidents, New Deal folks, Obama cabinet secretaries or people in Obama’s circle and shows their supposedly socialist Saul Alinskyesque commie beliefs? He has called Obama and many Democrats socialists right when I’m watching the show.

I’m not a drinker, don’t use drugs, and I’m not on any prescription meds so I didn’t hallucinate hearing his labeling and insults to liberals?

As far as the God references by many of the Founding Fathers, keep in mind that Jefferson’s “God” is not the God of the Israel and of Christ Jesus, but rather a clock-winder Deist god. You’ll hear many references to God by American Presidents from the 1700’s and 1800’s, many were Judeo-Christian references and many were Deist-style references.

Thomas Paine was a hardened Deist yet Beck tries to make him a Judeo-Christian style figure. Ben Franklin had Deist simpathies and Jefferson was a vocal deist who also called himself a Unitarian, which is just as bad. Ben Franklin once wrote in his autobiography:

“Some books against Deism fell into my hands; they were said to be the substance of sermons preached at Boyle’s lectures. It happened that they wrought an effect on me quite contrary to what was intended by them; for the arguments of the Deists, which were quoted to be refuted, appeared to me much stronger than the refutations; in short, I soon became a thorough Deist.”

I love it when people think Jefferson was a Christian. Beck seems to think so. If you read Jefferson’s book called “The Life and Morals of Jesus Christ,” he re-writes the NT without any of the supernatural miracles of the Scriptures attributed to Jesus by the Gospel writers. Jefferson lauded Christ for his moral teachings but believed not one bit in Christ’s divinity. It’s a matter of public record and a fact. Beck can anachronize Jefferson and make him a born again Methodist if he wants but the guy was a deist.

James Madison and Ethan Allen were also outspoken deists.

Then you have guys like George Washington, who was an Episcopalian but never went up for communion and frequently left services before they were over or at communion stage. He is called a Christian by some historians, a deist by others. The truth might lie somewhere in the middle?

But I think simpletons like Beck here terms like “endowed by their Creator” and “under God” or “by God” and they immediately attribute the Christian God to those references without an honest assessment in doing their homework. Anachronism, pure and simple.
I have to laugh at the Beck critics. It is so obvious you have never watched the show. He asks people to read and find the answers themselves. He has never called anyone a socialist or Maoist that didn’t describe themselves as such; on video.

I have watched him for almost a year, and what I have gotten from him is:

Read and “Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear.”
    • Thomas Jefferson
Read the constitution and the founding documents.

History of the progressive movement, and read their founding documents in THEIR words.

The haters fear the American people actually learning about the constitution and the Federalist Papers. If someone reads the words of our founders, and thinks they are not Christians, in principle if not in personal conviction, they are terribly ignorant of the FF. Including the 18th century definition of “deist”, the pathetic trope of the anti-christian left.
 
Agreed. Perhaps “hate” is a strong word. I’ll say “get under my skin” or “drive me mad” in place of “hate” LOL

I think what’s wrong with America is that I had to choose between Obama and McCain/Palin (Palin was my deciding factor in NOT voting for the McCain). I should never have had to choose between those two camps.
Abortion was my deciding factor in not voting for Obama. I have never, in my entire life, voted for a Republican until that day. Palin was the tough one to take, but I don’t think she was any worse than Dan Quayle!

But, it didn’t really matter. Voting Democrat in this state is about the same as not voting. So, me voting for a Republican was about the same as not voting. Which I was seriously considering there, in that election booth…just don’t choose.
 
Like several others here, I didn’t care for the choice between Obama/Biden and McCain/Palin either. So I voted for Bob Barr on the Libertarian Party ticket. He was by no means perfect, but he was far closer to my political views than anyone else running (except for Ron Paul, who failed to win the GOP nomination). It was pretty much like not voting. But since I live in a state that was certain to go for Obama no matter what, voting for Obama or McCain would’ve been a lot like not voting too.
 
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