Glenn Beck on social justice

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Oscarthecat said:
I’m not disagreeing with your, but am just making an observation about your comments-

I think that the big problem we face in this country, one which Glenn Beck talks about frequently, is that people fundamentally disagree on some of the very basic ideas you’re talking about- like “certain standards,” “foundational standards,” or what is means for every man or woman to be for himself or herself.

I could walk into a room full of extremists from both sides of our political system and say exactly what you just said, and every person in that room would agree with me- but they would have a completely different understanding of what I said than their extremist counterparts.

I think the problem is that people don’t even have a commonly accepted understanding of what it means to be a member of society- and the dominant interpretations of that concept are what are in conflict in this country.

Anyway, back to the topic, I think what really gets people going, positively or negatively, about Glenn Beck is that he has become the catalyst for a large number of people to come together based on shared values they believe should be at the core of a good society.

He’s helping people in this country to come together because they share core principals, I I think that sets him apart from the limbaughs and the hannitys, who tend to unite people by emphasizing their opposition to particular groups.
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What we have, today, is the end result of the desensitization of the last 40 years. The Hippies yelled Freedom! Freedom from what? Freedom from standards. I can’t tell you how many times I heard the following on the radio, especially over the last two decades: “Tame by today’s standards.” Whose standards? What standards? The only standard was pushing the envelope of decency.

The country, through the media, began to accept the off color, followed by the risque, followed by the bawdy to porn on the internet. Divorce was rare, abortion was rare and illegal, there were no adult bookstores or porn theaters. Self restraint and modesty were the norm and there were rules of engagement for total strangers. I can’t listen to Limbaugh except for short periods. We now live in the Dictatorship of Relativism where tolerance is the goal, absolutes don’t exist and the truth is open to debate but few actual guidelines exist. So I completely understand why some people get into groups in opposition, especially when most people are encouraged to not be opposed to almost anything.

When I was reading parts of Arguing with Idiots, I was left with a feeling, a bad feeling. Shared values has just become another lifestyle choice, along with everything else we are being asked to tolerate. I am interested in justice, but I don’t think Mr. Beck is helping.

Peace,
Ed
 
We have very “progressive”* members in the Church who use the phrase to further their own agenda and confuse it with true Catholic social justice. I temper my (limited) understanding of true Catholic social justice with the idea of subsidiarity.

One of my pet projects for 2010 is to develop a deeper understanding of what is really Catholic social justice starting with the papal encyclicals.

*progressive = advocating the same failed policies over and over again.

BTW - I agree with Beck on this point. Look at the mainline Prot churches - they are very “progressive” on “social justice” and “social action” and are following a liberal playbook through and through.
 
Obviously, the Catholic understanding of “social justice” is correct for the Church teaches it, but the secular use of the words “social justice” are often code words for Socialist ideology which the Church heartily repudiates.
 
edwest2 said:
There’s Glenn on the cover of Arguing with Idiots in his faux military uniform, and on the back? Glenn with a big, sad face pointing to the tears running down his cheek, with anti-endorsements all around. Glenn is theater.

Peace,
Ed
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I was thinking about this. Is it not uncharitable to call him a faker or showman. Catholics are supposed to assume the best.

MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!
 
fish90 said:
I was thinking about this. Is it not uncharitable to call him a faker or showman. Catholics are supposed to assume the best.

MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!
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You then believe that his crying on television shows is sincere and from the heart?
 
fish90 said:
I was thinking about this. Is it not uncharitable to call him a faker or showman. Catholics are supposed to assume the best.

MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!
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Mr. Beck called himself “a rodeo clown.” A google search will confirm this.

Peace,
Ed
 
sidbrown said:
You then believe that his crying on television shows is sincere and from the heart?
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I can’t say. He did cry for a good reason today about some guy who went from rags to riches and helps cancer patients.
 
St_Francis said:
I think that what Glenn Beck would be talking about is when they talk about the type of social justice that the Kennedys go in for rather than the type outlined in the papal encyclicals.

He might also be including all “religions” rather than just the Church.

And you are totally right about religion coming before politics. In fact, the way some people I know act, their religion *is *politics 😦
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What is religion if not political?
Are we supposed to put our God, Religion, and Spirituality in a neat little box separated from the rest of our lives?
“The way some people I know act, their religion is politics” That sounds like the statement of pro-abortion politicians lamenting the fact that people are beginning to call them on their voting record.
 
We all know that Jesus calls upon us to help the less fortunate, so let’s not pretend the words Social Justice are somehow sacred, especially since the term only originated in the 1840’s. I can’t even recall my parents, aunts, uncles etc ever using the term once. Personally I tend to dislike the words, as they’re all too often associated with comments like “I voted for Barack Obama because I believe in Social Justice”
 
fish90 said:
I was thinking about this. Is it not uncharitable to call him a faker or showman. Catholics are supposed to assume the best.

MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!
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Don’t always assume. The guy puts lots of people against unions which is my best way to make a living. 1955 36% were union in the private sector. Now only 6%…we did not look to the gov’t for socialist type programs when the working class had something which held them together. We were not socialists in 1955 yet this guy makes it hobby to push people agaisnt unions , something which helped this country stick together . 6% union today=lots of people looking to the gov’t for help …the unions keep the siocialists away yet he throws us in with them…Everybody for themselves doesn’t work. The country seems more divided than ever. And he reinforces that if ya ask me.
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Mr. Beck has been a Mormon for the last 10 years. Mormons place great emphasis on self-reliance and on “taking care of their own” in time of need. I believe they instruct families to keep up to a year’s worth of food or other supplies on hand in the event of an emergency. They also practice full 10 percent tithing of income to the church.

Given the LDS Church’s teachings and their history, it does not surprise me that a Mormon would be very wary of any kind of “social justice” that involves people looking to the government or to any institutions other than their own family and their own church for help.
 
I am wary of anyone who puts labels on people based on a singular perspective. Mr. Beck, Limbaugh and the host of liberal media folks do not reflect God’s “truth” but rather their own perspective. Sadly, many people believe that something said in the media is indeed the “truth,” when in fact, it rarely is. I disregard the preaching from the pundits and make sound decisions based on my Faith, my sense of right and wrong, moral and personal responsibility and sensitivity to the poor, the sick and the voiceless.
 
Pamm said:
I am wary of anyone who puts labels on people based on a singular perspective. Mr. Beck, Limbaugh and the host of liberal media folks do not reflect God’s “truth” but rather their own perspective. Sadly, many people believe that something said in the media is indeed the “truth,” when in fact, it rarely is. I disregard the preaching from the pundits and make sound decisions based on my Faith, my sense of right and wrong, moral and personal responsibility and sensitivity to the poor, the sick and the voiceless.
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Yes. You are right.
 
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