Global Climate Change and our Catholic Response

[Catholic90]

Google “Mars warming” and “Pluto warming” and “Triton warming”.

It seems that all these places are experiencing warmer temperatures in recent years.

Are the Earth’s carbon emmissions responsible for all those too?

It’s called a “cycle”.

The Earth has always gone through heating and cooling cycles. Study geology.

The politicians just are using this to tax, control, and push their agendas.

As someone else said, follow the money trail.

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

Unhappily, the junk science behind ‘climate change’ hysteria has nothing to do with good stewardship and everything to do with government control.

Politicians will use this falsehood to rob the middle class, crush the poor, and justify abortion on demand to save the ‘dying planet’.

The so-called scientists cannot tell you what the weather’s going to be in a week and we’re supposed to believe they can predict what will happen ten years out? A fear of climate change is in its very essence anti-Christian.

 

[kennewickmike]

Politicians will use this falsehood to rob the middle class, crush the poor, and justify abortion on demand to save the ‘dying planet’.

Don’t forget that it is not only the politicians. It is the Pope and the Bishops who are in on it too, according to the documentation from the USCCB at the beginning of this page.

 

[4elise]

Help my fellow human, definitely yes! Change my lifestyle , I’d rather die.

What if helping your fellow human required changing your lifestyle? Maybe this is how we have martyrs!

 

[JimG]

What if helping your fellow human required changing your lifestyle? Maybe this is how we have martyrs!

If all the initiatives proposed by the global warming lobby have their way, it won’t be a matter of changing one’s lifestyle. It will be a matter of acquiescing to man-made global economic depression. It will be brought on by enormous increases in energy costs due to prohibitions against coal, oil, and all the cheap sources of energy, the disastrous price increases brought on by cap and trade and other items, along with much higher energy prices of “green” energy. The globe would be going into a new ice age before the global economy could recover.

But that won’t happen. China and other countries will not agree to destroy their economy for the sake of global warming, but they won’t mind that we destroy ours.

 

[kennewickmike]

If all the initiatives proposed by the global warming lobby have their way, it won’t be a matter of changing one’s lifestyle. It will be a matter of acquiescing to man-made global economic depression. It will be brought on by enormous increases in energy costs due to prohibitions against coal, oil, and all the cheap sources of energy, the disastrous price increases brought on by cap and trade and other items, along with much higher energy prices of “green” energy. The globe would be going into a new ice age before the global economy could recover.

But that won’t happen. China and other countries will not agree to destroy their economy for the sake of global warming, but they won’t mind that we destroy ours.

I am still curious. Are the Pope and the Bishops just ignorant or are they in on it too?

 

[JimG]

I am still curious. Are the Pope and the Bishops just ignorant or are they in on it too?

If the bishops have made statements about the desirability of cap and trade, or banning coal and oil usage, or the need for higher energy prices, I guess I’m not aware of it. The Church was a conservationist long before there was an evironmental movement.

 

[kennewickmike]

If the bishops have made statements about the desirability of cap and trade, or banning coal and oil usage, or the need for higher energy prices, I guess I’m not aware of it. The Church was a conservationist long before there was an evironmental movement.

Exactly, This thread is about what they have said, not about conspiracy theories on how Al Gore is going to rule the world.

 

[JimG]

Exactly, This thread is about what they have said, not about conspiracy theories on how Al Gore is going to rule the world.

Who said anything about Al Gore? The bishops have expressed a concern primarily for the poor, and indicated that the poor and the poor nations ought not to be saddled with any undue burdens as a result of efforts to reverse global warming. The bishops are concerned for the poor; they have no particular expertise on climate change. That is all well and good.

But of course if the global community decided to mandate limits to new coal fired generating plants, and the use of carbon based fuels, it really would be the poor countries who would be held back from development. The developed nations and the rich countries already have their energy infrastructure in place. Poor nations do not, and they need it to develop further.

China has so much as said that it will not agree to limitations which will inhibit its progress. It already builds new coal-fired generating plants weekly.

I don’t know if global warming is permanent, temporary, man-made or not. But it will not be a good thing if, in the attempt to solve a problem which may or may not be caused by man made activities, we destroy the global economy in the process. However, that is one sure way to reduce energy output. Nations in recession and depression use less energy.

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

Don’t forget that it is not only the politicians. It is the Pope and the Bishops who are in on it too, according to the documentation from the USCCB at the beginning of this page.

The day the Pope and Bishops encourage murder of the unborn to save the ‘planet’ is the day I renounce the Church.

 

[kennewickmike]

Who said anything about Al Gore? The bishops have expressed a concern primarily for the poor, and indicated that the poor and the poor nations ought not to be saddled with any undue burdens as a result of efforts to reverse global warming. The bishops are concerned for the poor; they have no particular expertise on climate change. That is all well and good.

But of course if the global community decided to mandate limits to new coal fired generating plants, and the use of carbon based fuels, it really would be the poor countries who would be held back from development. The developed nations and the rich countries already have their energy infrastructure in place. Poor nations do not, and they need it to develop further.

China has so much as said that it will not agree to limitations which will inhibit its progress. It already builds new coal-fired generating plants weekly.

I don’t know if global warming is permanent, temporary, man-made or not. But it will not be a good thing if, in the attempt to solve a problem which may or may not be caused by man made activities, we destroy the global economy in the process. However, that is one sure way to reduce energy output. Nations in recession and depression use less energy.

Al Gore is been brought up several times in these posts but forget about that, you bring up some good points.

In my opinion the global economy is not wrecked, but really close to it. I think because of this that there is no better time for us to develop these technologies. We have became a county of “middle management.” We do not make anything anymore. We just sub everything out. If we start developing these technologies we can have the world buying products from us like it use to. The world is going to go “green” the only question is if we are going to be in the front or not.

 

[kennewickmike]

The day the Pope and Bishops encourage murder of the unborn to save the ‘planet’ is the day I renounce the Church.

You stated that “Politicians will use this falsehood to rob the middle class, crush the poor, and justify abortion on demand to save the ‘dying planet’” and that climate change is “junk science”. The Pope and and the Bishops are clearly in line with the belief of climate change so I was curious if they are involved in this “falsehood to rob the middle class”

 

[aspawloski4th]

What if helping your fellow human required changing your lifestyle? Maybe this is how we have martyrs!

The lifestyle change they are looking to do on Americans could actually kill my wife. And my cwife comes before the the envirment or any people I don’t know. When I help others it will be in my own way, not something presc cribed from anyone’s ivory tower.

 

[Newbie2]

Google “Mars warming” and “Pluto warming” and “Triton warming”.

It seems that all these places are experiencing warmer temperatures in recent years.

Are the Earth’s carbon emmissions responsible for all those too?

It’s called a “cycle”.

The Earth has always gone through heating and cooling cycles. Study geology.

The politicians just are using this to tax, control, and push their agendas.

As someone else said, follow the money trail.

Yeah, but remember, Pluto is no longer considered a planet.

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

You stated that “Politicians will use this falsehood to rob the middle class, crush the poor, and justify abortion on demand to save the ‘dying planet’” and that climate change is “junk science”. The Pope and and the Bishops are clearly in line with the belief of climate change so I was curious if they are involved in this “falsehood to rob the middle class”

I seriously doubt that the Pope and Bishops support massive government power grabs, redistribution of wealth, and abortion on demand.

This is the ultimate aim of the climate change-iacs.

 

[kennewickmike]

I seriously doubt that the Pope and Bishops support massive government power grabs, redistribution of wealth, and abortion on demand.

This is the ultimate aim of the climate change-iacs.

Really?? Myself, the Pope, and the Bishops think there is global warming, and we are all against all those things you listed. Or, are we…

 

[4elise]

The lifestyle change they are looking to do on Americans could actually kill my wife. And my cwife comes before the the envirment or any people I don’t know. When I help others it will be in my own way, not something presc cribed from anyone’s ivory tower.

I certainly agree that your wife must come first for you - she is blessed to have such a devoted husband

I don’t think that the original post with information from the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops would propose anything different. Did you read something in there that you felt challenged you to change your lifestyle in a way that could endanger your wife’s life?

Peace

 

[aspawloski4th]

I certainly agree that your wife must come first for you - she is blessed to have such a devoted husband

I don’t think that the original post with information from the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops would propose anything different. Did you read something in there that you felt challenged you to change your lifestyle in a way that could endanger your wife’s life?

Peace

Put it this way. I have good reason to fear driving my car would be made out of reach of affordability for me through, emmissions tests, gas tax hikes, etc. I can see an Obama administration proposing no clunker laws which would be very immoral. Without my car my and my wife’s lives practically stop. No way for her to get to her doctors, no way for me to go job hunting, no way for us to go to our church on sunday with seriously jeopardising my wife’s health. The proposals to stop global warming are going to affect cars first. Ill fight to the death to keep mine.

 

[Tsuwano]

I think your side of the issue is the one that needs propper documentation.

I have no side in the debate. I haven’t made up my mind about global warming one way or the other, which is why I’m interested in learning about both sides of the issue. I simply don’t think that broad accusations that global warming is some kind of conspiracy to create a socialist government without presenting facts is helpful. I’m willing to learn, but I don’t want to be subjected to ideological whimpering unless there is some basis in fact.

 

[Calliso]

That was an interesting read and those were good articles and a decent power point. And I think I may have found another new source of info…but will have to look into might just be a repeat of stuff. But it is nice to see such a group as this.

As for the other points people have made. As for studies showing it is attributal to mankind in any way. Well really I would imagine that would involve many studies. Anyway this might be a good look into ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar4/wg1/ar4-wg1-chapter9.pdf as I understand it the IPCC actually looked at several studies. I admit I haven;t gone through it all myself yet that;/s a lot of pages…
Another site is this one aip.org/history/climate/index.html#contents everyone seems to recommend that one. But I think you can also look up studies using google scholar.

And I was going to address more points but I am tired haha.