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Valke2 said:
That’s a joke, right? I’m supposed to look at a report about the effects of wind power and then decide that coal and oil are the enviornmentally safe way to go???
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No, I am serious. Why don’t global warming pundits have the same respect for the vultures, buzzards, and bald eagles as they do for the penguins? Probably more of them would be harmed by windmills than penguins would be to loss of antarctic ice mountains.
 
Oscarthecat said:
Currently, I own a VW Jetta TDI, which gets about 45 mpg, and has extremely low emissions. In many ways, my car is far superior to Hybrids because it doesn’t have the hybrid battery which adds a tremendous amount of weight to the vehicle, poses serious and unique risks in car accidents, and disposal.
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My daily driver happens to be a 1980 VW Rabbit which gets 39 mpg and can easily pass a California emmisions test. I also just retired a 79 diesel rabbit that was getting 50+ mpg. Interesting how 30 years ago cars could get great mileage without government sponsored marketing gimmicks such as as bio-fuel, hybrids, flexfuel, regen braking, etc.
 
Valke2 said:
That’s a shame. But it does not prove the assertion that climate change isn’t real or that the government has a real interest in adopting measures to reduce greenhousse emissions.
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The disparity and discrimination is a serious indication that the government has no ‘real’ interest in the the earth’s temperature. It is only interested in the touting of global warming to advance its political agenda of people control.
 
a_burger said:
For Valke2 Jesus said let no man deceive you. It’s pretty embarrasing to let Al Gore deceive you. At least you could pick someone intelligent. Oh, I forgot Al invented the internet. Of course that is only in his mind and his followers minds. Even a head of Greenpeace has now advocated building coal plants in S. America. It’s not carbon footprints, it’s sunspots, stupid.
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Wow. It is very embarassing to hear someone repeat the allegation that Al Gore claims to have invented the internet. Talk about deceived! Why are you so obsessed with Al Gore? I haven’t even mentioned him.
And why call me stupid? I think you need to spend a little time review both what Jesus said and science.
 
mapleoak said:
The disparity and discrimination is a serious indication that the government has no ‘real’ interest in the the earth’s temperature. It is only interested in the touting of global warming to advance its political agenda of people control.
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I disagree. I would say that it is an indication that the Government does not have the perfect solution to this or an other problem.
 
Michaelo said:
But why should we feed our addiction to an unsustainable resource? Diverting time and money away from the development of renewable energies is completely myopic.
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No one suggested that.

what would be truly myopic is to attempt to jump away from foreign oil sources without something in place to make up the difference.

Domestic oil has the potential to do this. And once that source is in place, we are free to explore alternatives without OPEC monkeying around with our economy.
 
a_burger said:
For Valke2 Jesus said let no man deceive you. It’s pretty embarrasing to let Al Gore deceive you. At least you could pick someone intelligent. Oh, I forgot Al invented the internet. Of course that is only in his mind and his followers minds. Even a head of Greenpeace has now advocated building coal plants in S. America. It’s not carbon footprints, it’s sunspots, stupid.
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If we cannot be civil in discussion, then we should not be in the discussion.

There are established rules in this forum that perhaps you are not familiar with concerning calling others names. You may wish to review them.
 
Michaelo said:
It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy:

We reject currently inferior technology, so there’s less impetus to develop it because nobody is willing to use it, and therefore it never actually becomes superior–which we once again use as an excuse to reject it.
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Right, that’s why people rejected computers, cars, airplanes…those were all inferior to existing technology at the time of their inception. If it wasn’t for the risk taken by PRIVATE ENTREPRENEURS, those technologies would have gone back in the box. Similarly, the boat-car, the personal flying car, and other failed technologies have been funded by private entrepreneurs, and have failed- and we manage to get along just fine without them.

But you don’t want private entrepreneurs, and you certainly don’t want to take the risk on yourself…so instead you force me to take the risk of funding new technologies by diverting tax money to your pet cause.
 
vz71 said:
no one suggested that.

What would be truly myopic is to attempt to jump away from foreign oil sources without something in place to make up the difference.

Domestic oil has the potential to do this. And once that source is in place, we are free to explore alternatives without opec monkeying around with our economy.
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b-i-n-g-o
 
Valke2 said:
Why are you so obsessed with Al Gore? I haven’t even mentioned him.
And why call me stupid? I think you need to spend a little time review both what Jesus said and science.
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I’m obsessed with him because he’s a crazy person that so many people follow blindly.
And because he grew a crazy man beard.
 
Oscarthecat said:
I’m obsessed with him because he’s a crazy person that so many people follow blindly.
And because he grew a crazy man beard.
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Moses had a crazy beard. And this is only one of several ways that Al Gore and Moses are similiar.
 
Valke2 said:
Moses had a crazy beard. And this is only one of several ways that Al Gore and Moses are similiar.
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Well, hopefully he’ll lead all of the environmentalists out of here and make them wander around in the desert for 40 years so the rest of us can get on with our lives.
 
vz71 said:
what would be truly myopic is to attempt to jump away from foreign oil sources without something in place to make up the difference.
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I’m certainly not advocating a sudden “jump” away from our current energy sources, but instead we must gradually wean ourselves off of oil.
Domestic oil has the potential to do this.
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No, it does not.

From the U.S. Energy Information Administration, an independent statistical agency within the Department of Energy:
The opening of the ANWR 1002 Area to oil and natural gas development is projected to increase domestic crude oil production starting in 2018.
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Additional oil production resulting from the opening of ANWR would be only a small portion of total world oil production, and would likely be offset in part by somewhat lower production outside the United States. The opening of ANWR is projected to have its largest oil price reduction impacts as follows: a reduction in low-sulfur, light crude oil prices of $0.41 per barrel (2006 dollars) in 2026 for the low oil resource case, $0.75 per barrel in 2025 for the mean oil resource case, and $1.44 per barrel in 2027 for the high oil resource case, relative to the reference case.
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The projections in the OCS access case indicate that access to the Pacific, Atlantic, and eastern Gulf regions would not have a significant impact on domestic crude oil and natural gas production or prices before 2030. Leasing would begin no sooner than 2012, and production would not be expected to start before 2017. Total domestic production of crude oil from 2012 through 2030 in the OCS access case is projected to be 1.6 percent higher than in the reference case, and 3 percent higher in 2030 alone, at 5.6 million barrels per day. For the lower 48 OCS, annual crude oil production in 2030 is projected to be 7 percent higher—2.4 million barrels per day in the OCS access case compared with 2.2 million barrels per day in the reference case (Figure 20). Because oil prices are determined on the international market, however, any impact on average wellhead prices is expected to be insignificant.
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Similarly, lower 48 natural gas production is not projected to increase substantially by 2030 as a result of increased access to the OCS. Cumulatively, lower 48 natural gas production from 2012 through 2030 is projected to be 1.8 percent higher in the OCS access case than in the reference case. Production levels in the OCS access case are projected at 19.0 trillion cubic feet in 2030, a 3-percent increase over the reference case projection of 18.4 trillion cubic feet. However, natural gas production from the lower 48 offshore in 2030 is projected to be 18 percent (590 billion cubic feet) higher in the OCS access case (Figure 21). In 2030, the OCS access case projects a decrease of $0.13 in the average wellhead price of natural gas (2005 dollars per thousand cubic feet), a decrease of 250 billion cubic feet in imports of liquefied natural gas, and an increase of 360 billion cubic feet in natural gas consumption relative to the reference case projections. In addition, despite the increase in production from previously restricted areas after 2012, total natural gas production from the lower 48 OCS is projected generally to decline after 2020.
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Although a significant volume of undiscovered, technically recoverable oil and natural gas resources is added in the OCS access case, conversion of those resources to production would require both time and money. In addition, the average field size in the Pacific and Atlantic regions tends to be smaller than the average in the Gulf of Mexico, implying that a significant portion of the additional resource would not be economically attractive to develop at the reference case prices.
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Oscarthecat:
But you don’t want private entrepreneurs, and you certainly don’t want to take the risk on yourself…so instead you force me to take the risk of funding new technologies by diverting tax money to your pet cause.
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When did I say that I didn’t support private entrepreneurs and am unwilling to “take the risk”? Private enterprise’s ingenuity is essential to achieving this goal, and I actually plan to enter a field that will contribute to the transition.

I know you enjoy labeling me a “greeny,” but you seriously need to stop making so many assumptions in your posts.
 
Next we’ll hear that Al Gore is the reincarnated Moses. If you told me Nimrod I might believe you. Oh that’s right Gore was given the new Ten Commandments as written by Ted Turner.
 
Surging population growth, climate change, reckless irrigation and chronic waste are placing the world’s water supplies at threat, a landmark UN report said on Thursday.

Compiled by 24 UN agencies, the 348-page document gave a grim assessment of the state of the planet’s freshwater, especially in developing countries, and described the outlook for coming generations as deeply worrying.

news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090312/sc_afp/unenvironmentwater_20090312012651
 
Burger, your frequent use of ad hominems does nothing to further the discussion.
 
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