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Well for proof what kind of proof are people looking for? Do you really just want solid evidence…but not absolute proof? Or do you want absolute proof. Cause you cannot get absolute proof. Heck I watched a video today that science is still studying gravity and is still not sure if we are 100% right on that.
 
Well for proof what kind of proof are people looking for? Do you really just want solid evidence…but not absolute proof? Or do you want absolute proof. Cause you cannot get absolute proof. Heck I watched a video today that science is still studying gravity and is still not sure if we are 100% right on that.
funny they haven’t ‘dropped’ that study yet! 😃 (I made myself laugh)
 
Do what is wise and prudent for this world God has placed here for us. Respect the gifts of air and water. Clean up waste and poisons. Whatever weather patterns and seismic shifts God has planned for us will happen and we must accept them and make the best of it.
 
Do what is wise and prudent for this world God has placed here for us. Respect the gifts of air and water. Clean up waste and poisons. Whatever weather patterns and seismic shifts God has planned for us will happen and we must accept them and make the best of it.
But what if ‘what is wise and prudent’ includes making drastic changes to the way we live today? There have been times that God’s people have been called to be that impetus - I believe our faith calls us to lead.
 
But what if ‘what is wise and prudent’ includes making drastic changes to the way we live today? There have been times that God’s people have been called to be that impetus - I believe our faith calls us to lead.
 
Good deeds without faith and proclaiming the gospel are like filthy rags. I will never join Marxists in their lie.It’s better to do nothing than to do good works that in the near future the Marxists will take credit.

What really scares me that the public believes anything they are told. There are 31,000 good American scientists and doctors they signed a petition that humans at the very most influence on weather is a drop in the bucket. Yet many of you believe the Marxists and the UN scientists. If you do good works for the Marxists that’s how you will be judged.
 
Good deeds without faith and proclaiming the gospel are like filthy rags. I will never join Marxists in their lie.It’s better to do nothing than to do good works that in the near future the Marxists will take credit.

What really scares me that the public believes anything they are told. There are 31,000 good American scientists and doctors they signed a petition that humans at the very most influence on weather is a drop in the bucket. Yet many of you believe the Marxists and the UN scientists. If you do good works for the Marxists that’s how you will be judged.
I find it hilarious that no matter how many times that petition has been debunked people still keep bringing it up! I mean why would I care what consists of mostly non climate scientists have to say on CLIMATE? I mean really if you needed good finicial advise would you consult some random person or would you find an expert in the area?
 
I find it hilarious that no matter how many times that petition has been debunked people still keep bringing it up! I mean why would I care what consists of mostly non climate scientists have to say on CLIMATE? I mean really if you needed good finicial advise would you consult some random person or would you find an expert in the area?
It surprises me too - and it is a topic that really stirs such strong reactions. Do you think anyone has ever been moved from their existing position with any of these discussions, one way or the other? :confused:
 
I find it hilarious that no matter how many times that petition has been debunked people still keep bringing it up! I mean why would I care what consists of mostly non climate scientists have to say on CLIMATE? I mean really if you needed good finicial advise would you consult some random person or would you find an expert in the area?
epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=595F6F41-802A-23AD-4BC4-B364B623ADA3

Interested folks should read this report.

Only 52 scientists were involved with the IPCC report and some of them have asked to have their names removed.

More here also:

thecanadiansentinel.blogspot.com/2009/03/700-scientists-now-dissent-against-ipcc.html

The point is that the IPCC report was highly politicized and had relatively little science in it.

By comparison, the 31000 names on the petition project make the 52 IPCC names seem quite insignificant.

The alleged 2500 IPCC names fall completely apart upon detailed scrutiny.

Interested readers may study these various numbers; there is a great deal of detail available.

While searching for more information on the IPCC numbers, I found a piece that describes the bias by IPCC showing it to be focused not on all sources of climate change, but only on man-made sources:

bydesign.com/fossilfuels/choice/html/inter_policy.html
 
I find it hilarious that no matter how many times that petition has been debunked people still keep bringing it up! I mean why would I care what consists of mostly non climate scientists have to say on CLIMATE? I mean really if you needed good finicial advise would you consult some random person or would you find an expert in the area?
 
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Surely you can come up with a better appeal to authority and expertise than seeking advice from the financial community!!

My goodness! Multi-trillion dollar meltdown! Sub prime mortgages. Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. Barney Frank and his rules and regulations. The SEC and all the important rules they abandoned leading to the present instability.

[yeah, yeah, I know “don’t call you surely”.]

AND besides, I was talking about the tiny teeny numbers of people who have been ramrodding the IPCC report through without having to answer for the report’s shortcomings.

Read these two: [they are about IPCC, …

… and NOT about the 31000:]

epw.senate.gov/public/index.c…4-B364B623ADA3

thecanadiansentinel.blogspot…inst-ipcc.html

And the point is not about the 31000; the point is that IPCC has been working with a very tiny cast of insiders which has been the point by Landsea and others.

Interested folks should read those two links.

Very important.
 
Maybe you didn’t read what I originally wrote. There are 31,000 yes 31,000 scientists and doctors who have signed a petition that global warming and global cooling isn’t caused by humans. These brilliant people aren’t paid by the UN and aren’t Marxists. Incidentally, it was just admitted by James Hansen, Al Gore’s had to admit the books were cooked and he had to tell the truth about weather records. Why, Calliso don’t you start researching instead of just running your mouth and quoting the Marxists. Let me guarantee to you one thing. If you continue not to search for the truth you will look up some day and see the gates of hell. If you are indeed a Christian then you are an Ambassador of Christ.Then you better research and make sure you’re telling the truth. I’m sorry if I offend anyone of you. You will, however, realize at a time in the near future that you would have been a lot more offended if I didn’t tell you this.

For any of you who care you can visit the website www.oism.org. This is the website for the Oregon Institute for Science and Medicine. There is a list of 31,000 scientists and doctors who signed the petition. Everyone who signed the petition is listed.

I’m sorry I guess my Cherokee Indian in me really loves the truth. Let me guarantee you that Al Gore got a forked tongue.
 
what has the debate around Global Warming got to do with religion, the gates of hell or being an ambassador for Christ?
 
Then I expect there to be solid evidence to support the ‘wise and prudent’ action.
Evidence? This earth, like our bodies, is God’s gift to us. Treat it as one would treat a gift from God not as a personal sewer. Maybe that means not pouring waste oil in a creek that runs in a back yard. Not throwing a cup out a car window. Not pouring old paint down the sink. Not putting old radiator fluid in a dumpster.
 
Evidence? This earth, like our bodies, is God’s gift to us. Treat it as one would treat a gift from God not as a personal sewer. Maybe that means not pouring waste oil in a creek that runs in a back yard. Not throwing a cup out a car window. Not pouring old paint down the sink. Not putting old radiator fluid in a dumpster.
All of what you are speaking of here is part of God’s command to be good stewards of his creation.

However, if you read through my posts, you will find that this is not the argument.
The argument has to do with ‘green’ movements that have economic impact.

There needs to be solid evidence to support the ‘green’ movement before I would support any action that would cause people to lose the livelihood.

Such evidence is lacking.
 
The original poster inquired about the social injustices of global warming. My post reflects that we should be good stewards of this planet. I’m proposing that as good stewards the perceived problems can be mitigated or eliminated and social injustices brought to a halt. If one is concerned about economic impact then a well-cared for planet should be enough to sustain us, supply ample resources and economic worries about usage or jobs should be virtually nil. Why risk bringing the planet to the brink of extinction just to see how much can be extracted before it’s too late? Maybe the earth is capable of much more abuse than we think but why abuse it to begin with? Perhaps those affected livlihoods could be better utilized as resource stewards and in resource renewal projects giving their livlihoods better chances of surviving this generation and future generations.
 
The original poster inquired about the social injustices of global warming. My post reflects that we should be good stewards of this planet. I’m proposing that as good stewards the perceived problems can be mitigated or eliminated and social injustices brought to a halt. If one is concerned about economic impact then a well-cared for planet should be enough to sustain us, supply ample resources and economic worries about usage or jobs should be virtually nil. Why risk bringing the planet to the brink of extinction just to see how much can be extracted before it’s too late? Maybe the earth is capable of much more abuse than we think but why abuse it to begin with? Perhaps those affected livlihoods could be better utilized as resource stewards and in resource renewal projects giving their livlihoods better chances of surviving this generation and future generations.
Q: How close are we to destroying the Earth?

A: Not very close at all

Q: Well, how thick is the Earth?

A: Three thousand five hundred miles. The Planet Earth has a diameter of 7000 miles, so if it was spread out laid out flat, it would be 3,500 miles thick.

Q: How deep into the Earth has humanity dug in to search and exploit for minerals?

A: Deepest mines go down about one to two miles. Deepest oil wells do down about three miles. One or two experimental wells have gone down four miles. Basically, we have not even yet begun to scratch the surface of the Earth.

Q: How many people have traveled down to the bottom of the ocean?

A: Two. To the seven-mile deep Marianas Trench. And they only stayed 20 minutes. But they did discover that the Planet Earth is blessed with resources they had never imagined … vents from the bottom of the sea spew forth minerals, liquids hot enough to melt their submarine windows, and there are vast underwater deposits of solid and gaseous natural gas (methane).

Q: By comparison, how many people have traveled to the Moon?

A: Twelve. And they stayed much longer than the divers to the Marianas Trench.

Please, as an exercise in research, check out the statements I made in this post … about the Marianas Trench. Find the names of the TWO men who traveled to the bottom of the Marianas Trench. And about the “black smoke” vents at the bottom of the ocean. Find the names of the TWELVE men who traveled to the Moon. And why was going to the moon “easier” and “safer” than going to the bottom of the Marianas Trench. Why have we not gone back to the Mariansas Trench.

And inquire about the huge number of volcanoes at the bottom of the ocean. Could be as many as 100,000. Find out what comes out from volcanoes.

It’s important to actually collect data and information about all of the physical aspects of this planet.

The Earth is a gift from God that we have not yet begun to fully explore. We have moved around the surface, but the surface changes constantly. We only have begun to explore the magnetosphere. And the sun has constant changes that surprise us. And the bottom of the ocean is full of surprises and is very dynamic … changing constantly.

Collect as much data as you can.
 
Sure, collect that data and use the data wisely but until we have the ability to effectively use the earth below two miles beneath the crust (where pressure and temperature are very high and a challenge to explore) and seven miles to ocean bottom where pressure would crush humans to paper thin they’re just not reasonable resources of use at the present time. There’s a lot to discover and use in this old earth but at the present time we can only effectively use the very thin skin we have before us. I suspect that we are unlikely to find topsoil in any of those harsh environments. Until the time comes that we can delve deeper than that skin we must make the best of what we have – even if that means preserving that skin for the future generations that may help up dig deeper into the earth and utilize it.
 
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