Global Warming

[otjm]

What myth. In 30 years the population has doubled. And there are plenty of people starving to death because of it.

Either you know nothing of the population myth, or you simply were not around whenit made its "day in court - same results. The population actually levelled off, and is going up slightly - do some serious research. Furthermore, agriculture, which was then predicted to go up arithmetically, exploded. The United States alone is capable of feeding the world, particularly if we do not sideline grain for alcohol to be added to gasoline (and that one is a joke no one in politics seems to want to acknowledge, in terms of net energy). Furthermore, if Russia ever can get organized enough to get their collective agruulture practices into the last 20 years of the 20th century, it will be capable of competely outstipping the US producation. People are starving not becasue we cannot provide enough food; they are starving because the means of distribution of the food we can produce gets so screwed up by competing and coflicting political issues in the various countries.

and it is my experience that “likely” hoovers somewhere around the 50% mark if that. 90% certainty is not “likely”; it is near guaranteed.

And I have yet to see any proof that we have been able to cut through the political rhetoric to ascertain what, if any evidence we have other than computer modeling, which is notoriously inaccurate when there are too many variables. We simply have too little accurate measurements going back a sufficent time to be able to determine how the natural cycle of heating and cooling works; and we now are supposed to accept that without an accurate base from which to work, that we can determine how great the impact man has on nature?

 

[otjm]

FACT: The year as measured and agreed upon by the four main testing locatons all agree that 2008 was one of the coolest years on record.

Well, that is certainly not a fact. 2008 was one of the warmest years on record. It just happened to be cooler than the last couple of years.Fine. Then if man’s impact on nature is so great, and we are polluting at at least the same level as the yaear before and the year before that, why the regression - unless the impact of man-made CO2 is nowhere near having the impact we would be lead to believe?

 

[Ender]

So once again in conclusion yes temperatures are rising.

Your GISS citations show that surface temperature over the period of the last century rose. They do not show that the temperature is rising now and in fact the temperature has been relatively flat since the beginning of this century. I recognize that a decade or less is an inconsequential period of time on the climatological scale, nonetheless, it is not accurate to say that temperatures are rising since, for whatever reason … they haven’t for a period of several years.

Ender

 

[Gethsemane]

This is one of those rare occassions when one may say: “To each his own” and “Live and let live.”

It doesn’t matter what the government decides and this is why:
If **everyone who believes in global warming **would take their own innitiative and follow the Three R’s, etc. and stop complaining that the people around them should do something or better yet want everyone to agree that Global Warming is real. You should not be relying on the justification and satisfaction you get from men, for the reward you get from God for you work in silence should be much greater.

Likewise, for those who believe that Global Warming does not exist. Stop trying to get those around you to agree with you. Instead of spending time argueing about it, and while those who believe protect the Earth as an offering to God, you may do something like study the Bible, pray, confess, help the homeless in the meantime. For you also should not be looking for the justification and satisfaction from men, but from God as for the work you do in silence.

There is no reason to argue if we all openly listen and discuss our diferences and opinions. And at the end of the day accept and love each other for those diferences. Both sides can contribute their piece to own in their own way. Man needs to stop focussing on being right and proving others incorrect. At the end of the day your position on the issue of Global Warming doesn’t make you right with God, because Global Warming has nothing to do with God.

If you wish, feel free to disagree with me on anything I have said. I’m glad you are a critical thinker.

Peace be with you,
Nicole

 

[mpi]

This is one of those rare occassions when one may say: “To each his own” and “Live and let live.”

It doesn’t matter what the government decides and this is why:
If **everyone who believes in global warming **would take their own innitiative and follow the Three R’s, etc. and stop complaining that the people around them should do something or better yet want everyone to agree that Global Warming is real. You should not be relying on the justification and satisfaction you get from men, for the reward you get from God for you work in silence should be much greater.

Likewise, for those who believe that Global Warming does not exist. Stop trying to get those around you to agree with you. Instead of spending time argueing about it, and while those who believe protect the Earth as an offering to God, you may do something like study the Bible, pray, confess, help the homeless in the meantime. For you also should not be looking for the justification and satisfaction from men, but from God as for the work you do in silence.

There is no reason to argue if we all openly listen and discuss our diferences and opinions. And at the end of the day accept and love each other for those diferences. Both sides can contribute their piece to own in their own way. Man needs to stop focussing on being right and proving others incorrect. At the end of the day your position on the issue of Global Warming doesn’t make you right with God, because Global Warming has nothing to do with God.

If you wish, feel free to disagree with me on anything I have said. I’m glad you are a critical thinker.

Peace be with you,
Nicole

I disagree. The global warming/CO2 reduction advocates want to use force to make non-believers (like me) pay money to their god - government - because their prophet, Al Gore, wants it to be so.

So no. I will continue to advocate for the debunking of global warming lies in order to prevent a political vacuum from which the believers can force their preferred policies on me and my family.

 

[Valke2]

I disagree. The global warming/CO2 reduction advocates want to use force to make non-believers (like me) pay money to their god - government - because their prophet, Al Gore, wants it to be so.

So no. I will continue to advocate for the debunking of global warming lies in order to prevent a political vacuum from which the believers can force their preferred policies on me and my family.

you want some fries with that rhetoric?

 

[sodak]

That ain’t rhetoric, it’s a fact. There are many “green” laws being passed and being submitted at the state and federal level, that have no basis in reality, but will significantly damage our economy, and the people in it. The Kyoto Protocol comes immediately to mind. Carbon credits, aka cap and trade, come to mind also.

As was previously stated, I would have no problem with global warming zealots if they would live their lives accordingly, and leave the rest of us alone, but they want to force their thinking and delusions upon us, and I find that intolerable.

 

[Jon_S]

you want some fries with that rhetoric?

Snappy comeback.

I’ll give up my green-house-gas-producing-massive-carbon-footprint when Al Gore gives up his.

youtube.com/watch?v=y9xHZSzTfa4

 

[Oscarthecat]

This is one of those rare occassions when one may say: “To each his own” and “Live and let live.”

It doesn’t matter what the government decides and this is why:
If **everyone who believes in global warming **would take their own innitiative and follow the Three R’s, etc. and stop complaining that the people around them should do something or better yet want everyone to agree that Global Warming is real. You should not be relying on the justification and satisfaction you get from men, for the reward you get from God for you work in silence should be much greater.

Likewise, for those who believe that Global Warming does not exist. Stop trying to get those around you to agree with you. Instead of spending time argueing about it, and while those who believe protect the Earth as an offering to God, you may do something like study the Bible, pray, confess, help the homeless in the meantime. For you also should not be looking for the justification and satisfaction from men, but from God as for the work you do in silence.

There is no reason to argue if we all openly listen and discuss our diferences and opinions. And at the end of the day accept and love each other for those diferences. Both sides can contribute their piece to own in their own way. Man needs to stop focussing on being right and proving others incorrect. At the end of the day your position on the issue of Global Warming doesn’t make you right with God, because Global Warming has nothing to do with God.

If you wish, feel free to disagree with me on anything I have said. I’m glad you are a critical thinker.

Peace be with you,
Nicole

That’s all well and good, if it were the case. But the fact is that the very nature of the global warming movement is such that participation in their values must be universal - and if people don’t want to participate voluntarily, environmentalists will resort to compelling them through the use of government force.

They are very comfortable with the idea of interfering with market forces to artificially inflate the prices of those things they find environmentally objectionable- and care little for the damage to the economy, which is most painfully felt by the poor and middle class who can’t afford the higher prices for fuel and other goods. They are more than happy to inflict a global carbon tax on prosperous nations- regardless of the fact that those taxes do absolutely nothing for the environment, but instead are just thinly veiled wealth redistribution tactics. And they get all giddy thinking about new and more extreme ways to limit individual rights in their unending quest to lower the global temperature by 1/1000 of a degree over the next 100 years.

To use your comparison- you listed a number of things that people can do individually, like going to confession, praying, or even feeding the homeless. I’m sure you’d be willing to argue if the government implemented a national prayer tax, or passed a resolution dictating that all people must confess their sins to a licensed government official, or that the homeless had the legal right to walk into any home at any time and take whatever food they wanted regardless of the wishes of the homeowner.

The reason to argue lies in the fact that global warming propagandists are actively engaging in the use of government force, on a national and international scale, to force everyone to accept their values.

 

[Valke2]

Snappy comeback.

I’ll give up my green-house-gas-producing-massive-carbon-footprint when Al Gore gives up his.

youtube.com/watch?v=y9xHZSzTfa4

He has. Feel free to offset yours in the same way. People keep calling him a hypocrit for using energy and then purchasing offsets in the form of wind and solar energy. BUt this is exactly what he has been arguing for. You may not agree with it but he’s not acting hypocriticly in doing it.

 

[Ender]

He has. Feel free to offset yours in the same way. People keep calling him a hypocrit for using energy and then purchasing offsets in the form of wind and solar energy. BUt this is exactly what he has been arguing for. You may not agree with it but he’s not acting hypocriticly in doing it.

I consider the concept of “carbon offsets” … insane. Al Gore has not reduced his carbon footprint, he has simply paid for the right to say he is now carbon neutral. The idea truly boggles the mind; it’s a concept right out of the fairy tale story of the Emperor’s New Clothes.

Frankly, I have no problem with Gore’s lifestyle; I don’t really care that his house uses ten times the energy of an average home. What I do care about is someone deciding that I must pay for carbon offsets by adding a tax to my electric bills and increasing the tax on gasoline. I am not averse to others buying a pie in the sky so long as they don’t expect me to fund their idiocy.

Gore isn’t a hypocrite, he’s a true believer who can see the Emperor’s clothes and wants us to help pay for them.

Ender

 

[vz71]

you want some fries with that rhetoric?

This from the one that advocates violent action to force people to comply with the Global Warming myth.

 

[vz71]

I consider the concept of “carbon offsets” … insane.
Ender

I agree.
No matter how much money has changed hands, the fact of the enrgy consumption and waste remains.

 

[vz71]

He has. Feel free to offset yours in the same way. People keep calling him a hypocrit for using energy and then purchasing offsets in the form of wind and solar energy. BUt this is exactly what he has been arguing for.

So let’s consider the scenario…

The rich can afford to live in whatever quality of life they choose as long as they purchase an ‘offset’
Those that cannot afford the offset, are forced into a lower lifestyle.

Or let’s place this in a wider scale…
First world countries can continue to support their high societies, but the thirld world countries are left in poverty as they cannot afford the offsets necessary to increase the quality of life for their people.

That is what your prophet advocates.

Hypocrite, racist, elitist. Pick your term, they all fit.

 

[Valke2]

This from the one that advocates violent action to force people to comply with the Global Warming myth.

Do you want something to drink with that delusion?

 

[vz71]

Do you want something to drink with that delusion?

No delusion at all.
A carefully arrived at conclusion based upon you own consistant advocacy of utilizing government powers to force people to comply with your wishes.

One need only read this thread to find example upon example of this.

Of course my conclusion could be in error.
After all, what can we believe when in a world where scientific proof is arrived at not with careful study, but instead by popular vote. Where science is dictated by politics. Where the money dictates the findings. Where policy is dictated by a mindless urge to do ‘something’ rather then a careful study of the issues and a study to find the most effective actions.

 

[FLCatholic]

I have already heard that
Not responding
To global warming
Is a
Social injustice

What are the social injustices of
Responding?

I have heard…

1. Creating methods of population control.
2. Controlling economic development of poorer countries.

Are these true?
Are there others?

Global warming was invented by people who want to feel important because they have nothing useful to do in life except stirring the masses and profiting from the lies they create.

 

[Gethsemane]

I disagree. The global warming/CO2 reduction advocates want to use force to make non-believers (like me) pay money to their god - government - because their prophet, Al Gore, wants it to be so.

So no. I will continue to advocate for the debunking of global warming lies in order to prevent a political vacuum from which the believers can force their preferred policies on me and my family.

So you might lose some money. What are you so afraid of, don’t you know that God will take care of what you will eat and what you will wear. You know it’s easier for a camel to fit through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get into heaven.

I understand that you worry for your family in the economic recession, and there is a recession happening. But you need to let go of the worry and your money.

If you’re so concerned about how you’re going to pay for this height in taxes then sell your car if you are abled, and use public transportation or walk. This allows you to have more than enough money to pay for your taxes plus you’ll have pleanty left over. You should be glad to be given the opertunity to get rid of all your luxuries and live the simple, narrow life. It’s not like you can take it all with you.

Furthermore, we are called to good stewardship of the Earth. We’re to respect God’s creation instead of use it all up at our will. After all, gluttony is a sin.

At the end of the day it doesn’t really matter what side you maybe on, because the Earth isn’t going to be around for all eternity.

 

[Gethsemane]

That’s all well and good, if it were the case. But the fact is that the very nature of the global warming movement is such that participation in their values must be universal - and if people don’t want to participate voluntarily, environmentalists will resort to compelling them through the use of government force.

They are very comfortable with the idea of interfering with market forces to artificially inflate the prices of those things they find environmentally objectionable- and care little for the damage to the economy, which is most painfully felt by the poor and middle class who can’t afford the higher prices for fuel and other goods. They are more than happy to inflict a global carbon tax on prosperous nations- regardless of the fact that those taxes do absolutely nothing for the environment, but instead are just thinly veiled wealth redistribution tactics. And they get all giddy thinking about new and more extreme ways to limit individual rights in their unending quest to lower the global temperature by 1/1000 of a degree over the next 100 years.

To use your comparison- you listed a number of things that people can do individually, like going to confession, praying, or even feeding the homeless. I’m sure you’d be willing to argue if the government implemented a national prayer tax, or passed a resolution dictating that all people must confess their sins to a licensed government official, or that the homeless had the legal right to walk into any home at any time and take whatever food they wanted regardless of the wishes of the homeowner.

The reason to argue lies in the fact that global warming propagandists are actively engaging in the use of government force, on a national and international scale, to force everyone to accept their values.

Y’know, you can sue them for telling you want to think. And they can’t hurt you unless you give them the power to. You give them their power by being fearful and little a little dogs to bark and lash out because you some how feel threatened by them. Look at the monks in Tibet, they’ve endured their hard conditions, peacefully, for over 50 years and have yet to accept what China wants them to. There is never an excuse not to be the bigger man. Because if you truly are correct in your possition, then you will be successful.

 

[a_burger]

It’s funny to see people start out neutral over global warming and as you read you find out they actually are a believer in Al Gore. Do you think we’re stupid? Apostolic Christians are Ambassadors of Christ and are driven by the truth. No, we will not be silent. Jesus tells us that your are neither hot or cold and you make him want to spit you out of his mouth. That desribes you ‘social’ Christians. Jesus tells us the father of lies is Satan and certainly Satan would be proud of you spreading the lie that global warming has been spread by humans.

By the way for the Canadian I’m writing this to should realize that when you take the sunspots out of the formula for global warming there is a good chance we are heading for a little ice age as experienced during the medieval times. This would certainly be a lot worse for Canadians than global warming. Read the global temperatures as measured by the leading four testers for global temperatures. Even without adjusting for the sunspots the temperature of the globe for 2008 has alarmingly went down.