Global Warming?

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There’s more than just heat at play too. E.g.,

The destruction of habitat.

Acidifcation of the oceans.

Industrial development of farmland.

Pollution of rivers and aquifers.

In our greed we tend to exploit rather than be “stewards” of the goods of the earth.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
That’s a loaded word, “hoax”. It implies that all the scientists at NASA that are claiming global warming are engaged in a deliberate deception. I could understand your saying that they are mistaken in their beliefs. But it is quite presumptuous to claim they are promoting a hoax.
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They are promoting a hoax to gain political power over those who don’t believe the hoax.😉
 
triumphguy said:
There’s more than just heat at play too. E.g.,

The destruction of habitat.

Acidifcation of the oceans.

Industrial development of farmland.

Pollution of rivers and aquifers.

In our greed we tend to exploit rather than be “stewards” of the goods of the earth.
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I’m going to leave acidification of the oceans aside, because that’s a MMGW argument, and it has been argued to the point of nausea on here before. No resolution.

But one of the things I don’t think people think about very much is the changing of the countryside that has gone on for decades, albeit slowly. I can’t speak about everywhere in the U.S., but I can speak of what has happened here.

Despite a lot of industrialization in a rather high poplation rural area, it has not affected the total farmland acreage to speak of. Housing has to some degree, and much more, but not disasterously.

Habitat preservation or development is almost entirely in the hands of farmers and ranchers here. They do a very good job of it. I grew up in this area and the wildlife habitat, ground water quality, rivers and aquifers have greatly improved from when I was a kid, and it wasn’t all that polluted a place to start with. The difference is that farmers and ranchers who actually own and take care of the land know a lot more than they did then. They’re much better capitalized and better educated as well. It makes a lot of difference.

The real “stewards” of at least this part of the earth are not the governmental people, but the farmers and ranchers. I readily grant that the University of Missouri has contributed a lot to the knowledge base of landowners. But so has better understanding of economics and the information sharing by agribusiness. But the government has also given us invasive species that should never have been introduced by them.

I trust the landowners a lot more than I trust active governmental measures.
 
StephenL said:
What is your opinion on this article by the New York Times?
nytimes.com/2013/10/10/science/earth/by-2047-coldest-years-will-be-warmer-than-hottest-in-past.html?src=recg
God Bless!
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We were biblical warned about altering the families of Creation.

What would be a biblical sign of global warming? What is happening as phenomena in our current global climate? UFO activity falling out of the sky.

Is there any greater biblical sign than these events?

If you believe in our Father’s creation, then obviously light sound or angelic sound is involved in the atmospheric harmonic bonds.

If you changed the harmonic bonds, such as what was singing to keep us safe from the “dust of man” uranium, then obviously the angelic sound bodies began to fall out of our atmosphere.

If you question the biblical term of man, it relates to the alpha and the Fallen in the story relate to the account of man/alpha as Adam and Eve as the first humans involved in causing Heavenly angelic fall out to occur regarding being enticed by “Satan”, the burnt and unholy spirit.

Therefore you would need to question where was Satan placed by our Father because fallout was created by human beings…if not inside the tombs of the dead, as the burnt Earth stone.

The Bible therefore has already demonstrated to us that these spiritual messages are real and correct and that Scientists have created global warming by altering our Father’s creation, where he placed the “dead spirit” of the fallen angels into the Earth’s stone.

For anyone of us to dispute this insight is to then imply that you do not truly believe in the Bible information. It states that Earth’s Heaven is associated to Father’s Heaven.

For anyone of us to dispute that evil spirits fall out of the sky, is to dispute that humanity is being attacked by alien types of devil possessions.

For anyone of us to dispute that alien spirits are now created in our atmosphere is to understand that never before has the dust of the Earth been converted.

Therefore this tells us that Satan himself has been destroyed, his own evil spirit, the burning falling angels that fell to Earth have been altered and converted into the now alien attacks involved in global warming of our atmospheric angelic sound.

This should be proof enough to Catholic Scientists that they too are involved in global warming and have also unintentionally caused the heating of our Father’s Earth Heaven.

This is why I question some of the ethics involved in religious scientific pursuits and don’t you believe yourselves in Biblical information, inscribed purposely so that we would not break the Laws of God…Creation.

Why do you think alien attacks are similar in information to devil possession and why they now differ. Has the Catholic Scientists proposed a biblical theory for the alien spirit, and if not why not? Weren’t we warned with the Christ stigmata once a rarity now occurring as an increase. If Satan’s unholy spirit was changed, then wouldn’t the Christ stigmata also alter and become ebola just as the devil has become an alien?
 
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We were biblical warned about altering the families of Creation.

What would be a biblical sign of global warming? What is happening as phenomena in our current global climate? UFO activity falling out of the sky.

Is there any greater biblical sign than these events?

If you believe in our Father’s creation, then obviously light sound or angelic sound is involved in the atmospheric harmonic bonds.

If you changed the harmonic bonds, such as what was singing to keep us safe from the “dust of man” uranium, then obviously the angelic sound bodies began to fall out of our atmosphere.

If you question the biblical term of man, it relates to the alpha and the Fallen in the story relate to the account of man/alpha as Adam and Eve as the first humans involved in causing Heavenly angelic fall out to occur regarding being enticed by “Satan”, the burnt and unholy spirit.

Therefore you would need to question where was Satan placed by our Father because fallout was created by human beings…if not inside the tombs of the dead, as the burnt Earth stone.

The Bible therefore has already demonstrated to us that these spiritual messages are real and correct and that Scientists have created global warming by altering our Father’s creation, where he placed the “dead spirit” of the fallen angels into the Earth’s stone.

For anyone of us to dispute this insight is to then imply that you do not truly believe in the Bible information. It states that Earth’s Heaven is associated to Father’s Heaven.

For anyone of us to dispute that evil spirits fall out of the sky, is to dispute that humanity is being attacked by alien types of devil possessions.

For anyone of us to dispute that alien spirits are now created in our atmosphere is to understand that never before has the dust of the Earth been converted.

Therefore this tells us that Satan himself has been destroyed, his own evil spirit, the burning falling angels that fell to Earth have been altered and converted into the now alien attacks involved in global warming of our atmospheric angelic sound.

This should be proof enough to Catholic Scientists that they too are involved in global warming and have also unintentionally caused the heating of our Father’s Earth Heaven.

This is why I question some of the ethics involved in religious scientific pursuits and don’t you believe yourselves in Biblical information, inscribed purposely so that we would not break the Laws of God…Creation.

Why do you think alien attacks are similar in information to devil possession and why they now differ. Has the Catholic Scientists proposed a biblical theory for the alien spirit, and if not why not? Weren’t we warned with the Christ stigmata once a rarity now occurring as an increase. If Satan’s unholy spirit was changed, then wouldn’t the Christ stigmata also alter and become ebola just as the devil has become an alien?
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One of the strangest posts I have ever read.
 
TARRAT said:
They are promoting a hoax to gain political power over those who don’t believe the hoax.😉
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Collussion on the part of climate scientists to that massive extent is beyond belief. Not to mention that it is very uncharitable to accuse them of such evil without certain cause. Or are you just engaged in hyperbole to make a point about politics? I’m not too good at reading emoticons, and I see you did put a blue winky at the end of your post.
 
Ridgerunner said:
Actually, it is controversial among scientists. Scientists are definitely not in agreement on MMGW. This appeared previously in a previous thread in which citations from thousands of scientists and the majority of meteorologists were cited who either do not believe in MMGW at all, or believe there is some effect so minimal as to be unworthy of draconian measures threatened by this administration. Some even believe there is MMGW but that it’s due to man-made causes like desertification.

This has been debated on CAF so many times, and with so many competing sources, no one who has seen them in the past could doubt that there is definitely disagreement among scientists. But now and then a true believer pops up on CAF and it starts all over again.

But I will agree with you that the push to make utility bills “skyrocket” is entirely political. Obama, himself, promised he would try to do that. Also, his promise to kill the coal industry is political as Joe Manchin’s protest makes clear.
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No. It isn’t. Saying that it is, is merely repeating spin by political/business interests who are trying to form perception of the issue to coincide with their short term interests. A less polit way to put it would be to say that those who espouse the view that the theory is controversial are being “tools”.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
Resident landowners, like farmers and ranchers, yes. But impersonal corporations, like mining and power generation, not so much. They are the ones that need regulation.
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As always “global warming” distills down to higher taxes and more regulation.
 
weller2 said:
Let’s play. Propose an alternative theory which explains the following observations:
  • increase in the atmospheric content of CO2
  • corresponding decrease in the atmospheric content of oxygen
  • change in 13C/12C isotopic ratios in atmospheric CO2
  • cooling of the stratosphere
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God…nature.

Do you think these fluctuations are new to this time in history? Man cannot tell what will happen 10, 20 , 120 years from now. But we can see the devastation being caused on man right now in the name of MMGW.

Even more so, we can see the billions of dollars being made on the GW scare by people like Al Gore.

You want to buy into this stupidity, you go right ahead; but who gives governments the right to end industries which provide good jobs to people? No, we are doing harm alright, but in the name of GW, not because of it.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
That’s a loaded word, “hoax”. It implies that all the scientists at NASA that are claiming global warming are engaged in a deliberate deception. I could understand your saying that they are mistaken in their beliefs. But it is quite presumptuous to claim they are promoting a hoax.
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Alright, I’ll give up the word hoax…how about myth?

Although, many are participating in an effort to “convince”, I would say deceive, the general population of the world.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
Resident landowners, like farmers and ranchers, yes. But impersonal corporations, like mining and power generation, not so much. They are the ones that need regulation.
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They already have more regulation than needed, I am in the electric utility industry. All of you GW “experts” seem to want to end generation of power; please explain you vision.

How do we supply the power needed for all facets of society?

What fuel will we use for everyday life if not fossil fuel?

What are the answers??? Tell me, if we are so evil, why did God create us?

How do we provide food for the world? I’m at a loss trying to converse with you people, but I keep trying to use common sense and it’s not working.😦
 
Lapey said:
They already have more regulation than needed, I am in the electric utility industry. All of you GW “experts” seem to want to end generation of power; please explain you vision.

How do we supply the power needed for all facets of society?

What fuel will we use for everyday life if not fossil fuel?

What are the answers??? Tell me, if we are so evil, why did God create us?

How do we provide food for the world? I’m at a loss trying to converse with you people, but I keep trying to use common sense and it’s not working.😦
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As I already explained, my comment was to Ridgerunner’s comment about stewardship generally - not just global warming. We were talking about who is better suited to take care of the environment. I was agreeing with Ridgerunner that ranchers and farmers who are close to the land do in fact take good care of it. And I am not saying that utilities need more regulation, but I am saying that they need more regulation than farmers and ranchers.
 
Lapey said:
How do we supply the power needed for all facets of society?

What fuel will we use for everyday life if not fossil fuel?

What are the answers??? Tell me, if we are so evil, why did God create us?

How do we provide food for the world? (
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Well we are fallen sinful creatures and so do need to repent and that includes what we have done to the environment.

So then how do we get the energy we use?

We need to keep working on ways to clean fossil fuel even as we explore other “greener” sources.

We need to be more consious of our waste and how we manage it in all forms.

Now we are addicted to it and any abrupt change will be painful. We need to think long term.
 
There are simple ways to clean up our air pollution (whether or not you believe in MMCG)

e.g., replace coal fired electricity plants with natural gas powered plants.

This would have the biggest impact on air quality.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
As I already explained, my comment was to Ridgerunner’s comment about stewardship generally - not just global warming. We were talking about who is better suited to take care of the environment. I was agreeing with Ridgerunner that ranchers and farmers who are close to the land do in fact take good care of it. And I am not saying that utilities need more regulation, but I am saying that they need more regulation than farmers and ranchers.
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Not sure all farmers and ranchers do.

Farms and ranches only make money if the land is productive - which involves lots of chemicals, and using the land in an industrial way.

Keeping the land “productive” is not the same as keeping it in good condition ecologically.


http://naturallyearthfriendly.com/w...03/monoculture-farmer-spraying-fertilizer.jpg
 
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