Global Warming?

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Not true, look back in the long thread and you will see data, provided by the MMCC proponents that show the earth’s oceans have cooled recently.

This is all about politics and money; not necessarily in that order.
Global warming isn’t the claim that everything is getting hotter all the time. It’s the idea that, historically, temperatures haven’t fluctuated this dramatically over a period of a few mere decades. THAT is what the fuss is about–the rate of change, not the change itself.
 
Much of the heat is actually absorbed by oceans, and they are noticeably warmer. A couple of degrees may not inconvenience us humans, but it could mean life or death for some fish, coral, and algae, which would correspond to higher prices at your local Long John Silver’s. 😉
Not true, look back in the long thread and you will see data, provided by the MMCC proponents that show the earth’s oceans have cooled recently.

This is all about politics and money; not necessarily in that order.
But of course you know a corporation is not going to miss an excuse to raise prices.
Cooling or warming.

I will be disappointed, but not surprised if the cost of fish at my local restaurant goes up.
 
Global warming isn’t the claim that everything is getting hotter all the time. It’s the idea that, historically, temperatures haven’t fluctuated this dramatically over a period of a few mere decades. THAT is what the fuss is about–the rate of change, not the change itself.
Not true, again. Climate fluctuates abruptly all the time. Always has and always will.

You claimed an untrue about oceans warming, now back that up please.
 
But of course you know a corporation is not going to miss an excuse to raise prices.
Cooling or warming.

I will be disappointed, but not surprised if the cost of fish at my local restaurant goes up.
Sorry 71, this is not corporate America driving these myths. This is purely governments and left wing radicals.
 
I’m not sure whether this has been pointed out yet, but it’s misleading to just look at the temperature of the atmosphere. Much of the heat is actually absorbed by oceans, and they are noticeably warmer.
The problem with this assertion is that it ignores the mechanism by which the oceans warmed. It is certainly possible for the oceans to warm while the atmosphere does not … but in such a case the cause of the warming could not be from the greenhouse gas effect, the physics of which requires the atmosphere to warm.

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The fact that the Earth is warming, or, more accurately, warmed, says nothing about the cause of the warming. Even if all of your references are scientifically accurate it doesn’t mean that CO2 was the culprit. The real issue is not whether there was warming but what caused it.

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So let’s summarize what just happened for the newcomers to this thread:

Global Warming Proponent: It’s obvious that global warming is real. There are mountains of evidence.

Global Warming Dissenter: Oh yeah? Give me a link.

Proponent: provides 13 links from a variety of sources

Dissenter: Nope, that’s not good enough.

Proponent: Umm…do you have any sort of rebuttal?

Dissenter: I don’t need one. God told me I’m right.
 
So let’s summarize what just happened for the newcomers to this thread:

Global Warming Proponent: It’s obvious that global warming is real. There are mountains of evidence.

Global Warming Dissenter: Oh yeah? Give me a link.

Proponent: provides 13 links from a variety of sources

Dissenter: Nope, that’s not good enough.

Proponent: Umm…do you have any sort of rebuttal?

Dissenter: I don’t need one. God told me I’m right.
Nice strawman you got there. We don’t all think like that, though some do.
Maybe you should pay attention to the reason WHY we reject your ‘evidence,’ rather than just the fact that we do. I can speak from experience (and the experience of other people around the world) that the weather is significantly colder than it was last year or the year before, and with research I can find plenty of studies that clarify just why it is getting colder.
 
Nice strawman you got there. We don’t all think like that, though some do.
I was only illustrating the exchange between Lapey and Michael Mayo. If you thought I was making a general statement about “all who think like that”, then you must have been extrapolating from your own experience. 😉
I can speak from experience (and the experience of other people around the world) that the weather is significantly colder than it was last year or the year before, and with research I can find plenty of studies that clarify just why it is getting colder.
The fact that the weather was colder in some localized areas for the past couple of years in no way negates the trend that has been occurring on a global scale over the past few decades. You can’t just pick a small time interval or small region and extrapolate through decades or across the rest of the globe.
 
The fact that the Earth is warming, or, more accurately, warmed, says nothing about the cause of the warming. Even if all of your references are scientifically accurate it doesn’t mean that CO2 was the culprit. The real issue is not whether there was warming but what caused it.

Ender
BINGO!..👍
 
My source is God. He is in control.👍
“Bear this well in mind, and you will immediately perceive that nature is free and uncontrolled by proud masters and runs the universe herself without the aid of gods.” —Lucretius, On the Nature of the Universe
Not exactly a Christian view point…and a bit on the pagan side…but I think it goes right along with your statement.

Until they can install a thermostat and keep our planet at an agreeable climate…I think it is about time our alarmists friends admit that it** IS **God/Mother Nature who is running the show.
 
Not exactly a Christian view point…and a bit on the pagan side…but I think it goes right along with your statement.

Until they can install a thermostat and keep our planet at an agreeable climate…I think it is about time our alarmists friends admit that it** IS **God/Mother Nature who is running the show.
Not with the loss of our rainforests and potable water. God will not deprive us the freedom to befoul the earth. That is on us.
 
Not with the loss of our rainforests and potable water. God will not deprive us the freedom to befoul the earth. That is on us.
Oh, come on, Mike.

God gave us ALL the resources of the Earth for us to use as we see fit. He gave us the intelligence and ability to use his gifts to make our lives better.

When potable water begins to run short, man will devise a way to find more or sanitize it. If there was a pressing need to maintain rain forests, man would preserve them, rather than harvest those renewable resources for current needs.

Man does not “befoul the earth”. Man is a natural occupant of this planet. Whatever is man’s nature is acceptable. A beaver builds a dam. That is natural. Man builds a dam, that is natural also. Man uses oil (a natural resource) to keep himself warm…that is natural.
 
When potable water begins to run short, man will devise a way to find more or sanitize it. If there was a pressing need to maintain rain forests, man would preserve them, rather than harvest those renewable resources for current needs.
Right…Because as we all know, humans have always been so clairvoyant in the past. The fact that we haven’t destroyed ourselves yet proves that we never will! :rolleyes:
 
Oh, come on, Mike.

God gave us ALL the resources of the Earth for us to use as we see fit. He gave us the intelligence and ability to use his gifts to make our lives better.
Yes, be we do not always use our intelligence. We sometimes take the gifts for granted and abuse them.
When potable water begins to run short, man will devise a way to find more or sanitize it. If there was a pressing need to maintain rain forests, man would preserve them, rather than harvest those renewable resources for current needs.

Man does not “befoul the earth”. Man is a natural occupant of this planet. Whatever is man’s nature is acceptable. A beaver builds a dam. That is natural. Man builds a dam, that is natural also. Man uses oil (a natural resource) to keep himself warm…that is natural.
Is there a river near you that you would care to bathe in or drink from?
 
Right…Because as we all know, humans have always been so clairvoyant in the past. The fact that we haven’t destroyed ourselves yet proves that we never will! :rolleyes:
Not entirely right…

Firstly, mankind is feeding more people today with less agri land than ever before. Better crop yields due to man’s ingenuity.

But don’t think that man cannot destroy himself. He can! But when he does, the earth will go right along surviving. Man can destroy himself…but not the earth.
 
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