Global Warming?

[Lapey]

So let’s summarize what just happened for the newcomers to this thread:

Global Warming Proponent: It’s obvious that global warming is real. There are mountains of evidence.

Global Warming Dissenter: Oh yeah? Give me a link.

Proponent: provides 13 links from a variety of sources

Dissenter: Nope, that’s not good enough.

Proponent: Umm…do you have any sort of rebuttal?

Dissenter: I don’t need one. God told me I’m right.

Hey Oreo, take the time to look at this thread and the many other ones on this topic and you will see that I am in no way a “newcomer”. The links which have been provided have also been refuted by others, many times over in other threads along with some in this one I am sure. Frankly I am not going drag the same things up again to show the opposite only to have you and Michael say they are not credible.

I have gone head to head with Michael Mayo many times, and as with most global warming alarmists just more charts graphs and “proven data” keeps entering into the argument which ignore the many opposing opinions and the data which shows that many of these old charts and graphs were calculated wrong at best and at worst manipulated for political benefit.

I have removed myself from the majority of these threads because they lack open mindedness and credibility unless your political ideology is left leaning; otherwise you are called a denier or worse. So I occasionally add my sarcasm to the fray to lighten the mood.

So get over yourself, put down your self righteous sword and and realize many people do not agree with these myths; including many many credible scientists.

Have a nice day!

 

[Lapey]

I was only illustrating the exchange between Lapey and Michael Mayo. If you thought I was making a general statement about “all who think like that”, then you must have been extrapolating from your own experience.

The fact that the weather was colder in some localized areas for the past couple of years in no way negates the trend that has been occurring on a global scale over the past few decades. You can’t just pick a small time interval or small region and extrapolate through decades or across the rest of the globe.

Careful how you address and discuss my posts. Please try your best to see a couple of facts; 1, there are differing opinions and credible evidence that refutes things you see as gospel; 2, look back at my comments and try your best to see the lightheartedness in which they were typed.

You believe MMCC is a real man made crisis, I do not. I believe God is in control of the overall planet’s climate and not man. I also believe we are in complete control of how we affect our environment, i.e. air pollution, water pollution and etc. We are bound to do our best to safeguard the environment, not to think we can burn enough fossil fuel to melt the ice caps and end all glaciers. Let’s try to put a little perspective here.

 

[Michael_Mayo]

I have gone head to head with Michael Mayo many times

Yes, and don’t we love it. :banghead:

Why do we keep doing this:shrug:

I guess it is kind of fun if we don’t pop our cork.
(that would make a good smilie)

 

[Sarcelle]

Right…Because as we all know, humans have always been so clairvoyant in the past. The fact that we haven’t destroyed ourselves yet proves that we never will!

Are you by any chance one of those that think the way to solve global warming is to eliminate people? I’ve met these types before. Of course it’s always someone else who has to die not them.
Familiar with the Human Extinction movement? If you do not subscribe to that idea I apologize. However what do you recommend we.do to ameliorate this global warming problem?

 

[Lapey]

Not with the loss of our rainforests and potable water. God will not deprive us the freedom to befoul the earth. That is on us.

God will and has undefiled what we have defiled. I live in the heart of the area affected by the BP oil spill from a couple of years ago. The only affects that remain are the countless lawsuits of people trying to take more money from BP.

Mother Earth has already healed herself from the spills affects. PS. Oil is made by nature…in other words God.

Show me how we have destroyed rainforests that cannot be replenished, the opposite is ridiculous. More propaganda. Where have we ended the supply of potable water?

I think the large rivers of the USA are great examples of how resilient the earth is. Take the Hudson for example, look at the vast improvements made in cleaning its waters. Alarmists have said basically it was dead forever. Lake Pontchartrain in Louisiana is another beautiful example of man working to help the earth recover. That is what we should be doing, not making new regulations to stop the mythical MMCC.

I have been staying away from these threads because you folks take yourselves way too serious and you judge in a negative way everyone who dares to dissent. sad.

 

[Lapey]

Yes, and don’t we love it. :banghead:

Why do we keep doing this:shrug:

I guess it is kind of fun if we don’t pop our cork.
(that would make a good smilie)

I tried to make my appearance on this thread silly, but Oreo called me out.

You and I just have to agree to disagree on everything MMCC, and find something that we can agree on and work together…deal?

 

[estesbob]

“Climate change” better captures the growing instability and extremes.

Except there isnt any growing instability and extremes… But using the term “climate change” does try to obscure the fact that everything the alarmists have been saying for the last 25 years turned out to be wrong.

 

[estesbob]

So let’s summarize what just happened for the newcomers to this thread:

Global Warming Proponent: It’s obvious that global warming is real. There are mountains of evidence.

Global Warming Dissenter: Oh yeah? Give me a link.

Proponent: provides 13 links from a variety of sources

Dissenter: Nope, that’s not good enough.

Proponent: Umm…do you have any sort of rebuttal?

Dissenter: I don’t need one. God told me I’m right.

One would think, however, for global warming to be true warming would have to be taking place?

 

[estesbob]

Are you by any chance one of those that think the way to solve global warming is to eliminate people? I’ve met these types before. Of course it’s always someone else who has to die not them.
Familiar with the Human Extinction movement? If you do not subscribe to that idea I apologize. However what do you recommend we.do to ameliorate this global warming problem?

Cows need to go first-and i am doing my part!

 

[Lapey]

Except there isnt any growing instability and extremes… But using the term “climate change” does try to obscure the fact that everything the alarmists have been saying for the last 25 years turned out to be wrong.

Come on Bob…don’t say that without having proof to back that up!!! Oh, wait, we have actual historical data to prove it…sorry…

A little trivia for you all, what was the claim before the claims which we have heard in the most recent 25 years? Was it;

A. a new ice age
B. a hole in the ozone layer
C. Ronald Reagan with his finger on the button for nuclear war is just unbearable!!!

 

[Lapey]

Cows need to go first-and i am doing my part!

Now this is something I can sink my teeth into!!!

 

[JB_Dugan]

Yes, be we do not always use our intelligence. We sometimes take the gifts for granted and abuse them.

What do you mean…“WE”??

You may lack intelligence…but mankind is the most intelligent life form on this planet.
The USE of natural resources is not abuse. When resources are depleted, mankind adapts…or finds another resource. “WE” are like that.

Is there a river near you that you would care to bathe in or drink from?

There is, and I do. I also fish there and occasionally pan for gold.

 

[Lapey]

Yes, be we do not always use our intelligence. We sometimes take the gifts for granted and abuse them.

Is there a river near you that you would care to bathe in or drink from?

How did I miss this ridiculous question? Do you even have any clue how many people in the USA bathe and drink in water taken directly from rivers? Come on Michael, you are much smarter than this, I think your mind is clouded with ideology.

Your underlined statement makes me think the statement which is in bold type was an autobiography written by you.

 

[Michael_Mayo]

How did I miss this ridiculous question? Do you even have any clue how many people in the USA bathe and drink in water taken directly from rivers?

Untreated? Please name a few.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

God gave us ALL the resources of the Earth for us to use as we see fit.

Not exactly. He gave us all the resources of the Earth for us to manage as stewards of creation. He expects us to be good stewards, using them as He sees fit - not as we see fit. That means the resources must be managed according to justice. If I remember rightly, you know first-hand what happened in the Gulf. I’m sure you agree that the way BP used the resources of the Gulf was not exactly just toward the other users of that resource.

I understand that you dispute the facts of global warming, and that is fine. But in the support of your position, you should not make blanket statements about man having the right to do whatever he wants, and trust that God will clean up after him and protect him from the consequences of his actions. If the claims of global warming are true (and you are certainly free to dispute them on their merits), the earth will not end. Creation will go on. But it could be a much worse and unjust creation than we have now.

Yes, God is in charge, but that does not absolve us from taking care not to damage what He has given us.

When potable water begins to run short, man will devise a way to find more or sanitize it.

That is true. The very rich will always have the means to make potable water. But when expensive equipment is needed to do it, how just is it to the vast throngs of people who, through their poverty, must rely on what falls from the sky and collects in their rivers?

If there was a pressing need to maintain rain forests, man would preserve them

Don’t underestimate man’s stupidity. Some people theorize that the civilization on Easter Island perished because they cut down their last tree.

Man does not “befoul the earth”.

He can, or he can choose not to.

 

[YADA]

Global warming isn’t the claim that everything is getting hotter all the time. It’s the idea that, historically, temperatures haven’t fluctuated this dramatically over a period of a few mere decades. THAT is what the fuss is about–the rate of change, not the change itself.

I wonder … Just how dramatic was the climate change that was caused by meteors striking the earth, … setting in motion the Younger Dryas Period … was that more or less dramatic then the rate of change we are experiencing now

Or the drastic swings of temperatures both warmer and colder [which are measurably far greater and faster then the man made carbon caused warming] that is directly related to volcanic activity and solar activity?

In truth - there are combinations of many factors that impact the world around us …

In the past - before man and the internal combustible engine - the earth has been far warmer and far colder - several times …

Before man - species came into being and became extinct - a cycle that continues …by many and varied causes …

We should be good stewards of our world and all that is in it as our God intends for us… At the same time - we are to be mindful that our Creator - the One God, One Lord, the Alpha and the Omega is ultimately in charge and in control

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Younger_Dryas
geotest.tamu.edu/userfiles/88/abrupt_climate_change_1988.pdf
geo.umass.edu/faculty/bradley/lean1995.pdf
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1883_eruption_of_Krakatoa

 

[Oreoracle]

Are you by any chance one of those that think the way to solve global warming is to eliminate people? I’ve met these types before. Of course it’s always someone else who has to die not them.
Familiar with the Human Extinction movement? If you do not subscribe to that idea I apologize. However what do you recommend we.do to ameliorate this global warming problem?

No, I don’t subscribe to such a movement. I think our main goal should be to seek alternative energy sources and encourage vegetarianism as much as possible, or at least weaken the meat industry.

 

[Lapey]

Untreated? Please name a few.

That’s not what you asked.

 

[Lapey]

No, I don’t subscribe to such a movement. I think our main goal should be to seek alternative energy sources and encourage vegetarianism as much as possible, or at least weaken the meat industry.

What gives you the right to dictate to the rest of us what type of fuel we can use and what to eat?

Are you a communists?

How arrogant of you to think you are so much smarter than anyone else including God? God has given all of the resources for our use, from crude oil to cattle, who are you to think you know better? Even if you are one who thinks there is no God or not sure, from a human perspective; who do you think you are???

What a telling statement on your part.

 

[Michael_Mayo]

That’s not what you asked.

I asked, “Is there a river near you that you would care to bathe in or drink from?”

and it was actually you who said, "How did I miss this ridiculous question? Do you even have any clue how many people in the USA bathe and drink in water taken directly from rivers?

“Directly” means untreated.

Please name a few such unbefouled rivers.