GLORIA: American Catholic Bishops Deal Leftism A Holy Smackdown

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josh987654321 said:
Then they would deny communion to those who are openly pro-choice such as politicians.
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Abortion actually invokes canon 1398: “a person who procures a successful abortion incurs an automatic (latae sententiae) excommunication.” Being openly pro-choice is not as serious as obtaining an abortion.
 
But voting pro-choice is enabling abortion. For Catholic politicians, it is even more direct. They are providing funding for it. What is the difference in sin for someone who has an abortion versus the person who paid for it?
 
jfz178 said:
But voting pro-choice is enabling abortion. For Catholic politicians, it is even more direct. They are providing funding for it. What is the difference in sin for someone who has an abortion versus the person who paid for it?
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Paying the money directly to the doctor for a specific person to have an abortion is more direct, and not as serious a sin as voting for a funding package which included the possibility of paying for an abortion. Actually having an abortion or performing an abortion is the most direct sin and results in excommunication.
 
Last I heard there were two kinds of sins: Venial and Mortal. I get the impression The Church would say if you have enabled abortion in any way, since we consider abortion to be murder, it would be the latter. So your levels of “seriousness” are distinctions without differences. Substitute the word “murder” for “abortion” in your post I am responding to, then clean up the grammar and you get this:

“Paying money to directly commit murder is more direct, and not as serious a sin as voting for a funding package which included the possibility of paying for murder. Actually having someone murdered or committing a murder is the most direct sin and results in excommunication.”
 
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jfz178 said:
. So your levels of “seriousness” are distinctions without differences.
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From the Catechism"

“The gravity of sins is more or less great: murder is graver than theft. One must also take into account who is wronged: violence against parents is in itself graver than violence against a stranger.”

Catholic moral theology recognizes the difference. If you do not believe me, then it would be a good question for your priest, all of whom are trained in moral theology.
 
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One must also take into account who is wronged: violence against parents is in itself graver than violence against a stranger.”
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I agree with you (the catechism) but it would be an interesting exercise or meditation in teasing out exactly why.
 
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