Gloria and Creed Omitted at Sunday's Mass

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Yesterday, our newly ordained parochial vicar omitted both the Gloria and Creed at Sunday’s Mass. I suspect it was to make time for the pitch for a new money campaign for parish improvements the pastor made after Holy Communion. This gets tiresome. Surely there were less important things to omit (i.e. intentions, kiss of peace etc.) rather than two key and vital parts of Holy Mass?

Does anyone here know how this affects the validity of the Mass? Or does omitted these two prayers simply make the Mass illicit?

Thank you.
 
Lormar said:
Yesterday, our newly ordained parochial vicar omitted both the Gloria and Creed at Sunday’s Mass. I suspect it was to make time for the pitch for a new money campaign for parish improvements the pastor made after Holy Communion. This gets tiresome.
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Are you quite sure it was deliberate? It’s absolutely impossible that he could have made a mistake?
 
Lormar said:
Yesterday, our newly ordained parochial vicar omitted both the Gloria and Creed at Sunday’s Mass. I suspect it was to make time for the pitch for a new money campaign for parish improvements the pastor made after Holy Communion. This gets tiresome. Surely there were less important things to omit (i.e. intentions, kiss of peace etc.) rather than two key and vital parts of Holy Mass?

Does anyone here know how this affects the validity of the Mass? Or does omitted these two prayers simply make the Mass illicit?

Thank you.
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Sorry if I’m being dense… but what is the kiss of peace?
 
Lormar said:
Yesterday, our newly ordained parochial vicar omitted both the Gloria and Creed at Sunday’s Mass. I suspect it was to make time for the pitch for a new money campaign for parish improvements the pastor made after Holy Communion. This gets tiresome. Surely there were less important things to omit (i.e. intentions, kiss of peace etc.) rather than two key and vital parts of Holy Mass?

Does anyone here know how this affects the validity of the Mass? Or does omitted these two prayers simply make the Mass illicit?

Thank you.
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He might have just forgotten? 🤷
 
Is there anyone here that can just answer my primary question? Is the validity affected? Ir is the Mass just illicit?
 
Lormar said:
Is there anyone here that can just answer my primary question? Is the validity affected? Ir is the Mass just illicit?
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The only thing that would make it invalid would be messing with either the matter of the Eucharistic species or the form of the prayer of Consecration (in a substantial way). Anything else is not going to make the Mass invalid.

So either he forgot (which I suppose is possible with him being new) or else it was an illicit removal of those non-optional parts of the Mass. But either way, it was still valid. Jesus was still Present in the Eucharist.
 
The parochial vicar at the parish I sometimes attend (they have a Sunday evening Mass), ALWAYS skips the penitential rite, at least every time I go. The first time I thought it was an accident, but I’m glad I saw this thread because it reminds me to write the pastor and ask why.
 
Reclaim said:
The parochial vicar at the parish I sometimes attend (they have a Sunday evening Mass), ALWAYS skips the penitential rite, at least every time I go. The first time I thought it was an accident, but I’m glad I saw this thread because it reminds me to write the pastor and ask why.
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Could you clarify what you mean by “skips the penitential rite”? The priest starts our by making the Sign of the Cross and then the next thing he says is “Glory to God in the highest…” Because that would mean he really had skipped the penitential rite.

Or do you mean that he doesn’t use the Confiteor and instead uses one of the other options such as “You were sent to heal the contrite” and everyone responds with “Lord have mercy.” That’s one of the options for the penitential rite and it’s completely proper.

I’m just trying to understand how a priest could skip an entire section of the Mass.
 
SuscipeMeDomine said:
Could you clarify what you mean by “skips the penitential rite”? The priest starts our by making the Sign of the Cross and then the next thing he says is “Glory to God in the highest…” Because that would mean he really had skipped the penitential rite.

Or do you mean that he doesn’t use the Confiteor and instead uses one of the other options such as “You were sent to heal the contrite” and everyone responds with “Lord have mercy.” That’s one of the options for the penitential rite and it’s completely proper.

I’m just trying to understand how a priest could skip an entire section of the Mass.
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Actually, he doesn’t skip it entirely, he does say “Brethren (brothers and sisters), let us acknowledge our sins, and so prepare ourselves to celebrate the sacred mysteries.” He then gives absolution and we go to the Kyrie. We don’t use the Confiteor, the “Have mercy on us, O Lord” or the invocations with the Kyrie.
 
I’m wondering in this particular situation if a baptism was occurring during Mass. In these cases, the Creed (though not the Gloria) is omitted. Anyway the OP is happy with the answer that Mass was still valid and licit.
 
About three weeks ago the priest at the parish I was visiting gave one looooong sermon. And then said since it was so hot that we would not say the creed. I’m thinking “you just spoke for 20 minutes but now it is too hot for a one minute creed?”
 
ProVobis said:
The local Spanish Mass redoes the Gloria (they sing a variation) and usually skips the Creed.
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Yep. Widespread problem in my experience…substituting the Gloria with a “Gloria-like” Spanish hymn. Drives. Me. Completely. Absolutely. Nuts. My confessor said the Cardinal Archbishop of Santo Domingo will sometimes recite the actual Gloria himself when he visits a parish where the choir does this.
 
twf said:
Yep. Widespread problem in my experience…substituting the Gloria with a “Gloria-like” Spanish hymn. Drives. Me. Completely. Absolutely. Nuts. My confessor said the Cardinal Archbishop of Santo Domingo will sometimes recite the actual Gloria himself when he visits a parish where the choir does this.
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Did you mean to say, “…the Cardinal…will sometimes recite the* Creed*…?”-- Since the previous poster said they skipped the Creed altogether and did the Gloria twice.
 
Fr. Lived-a-Long-Time, the fill-in at a local parish, only uses the Apostle’s creed at Sunday Mass. Never the newly-worded Nicene Creed. Maybe he’s got a thing against consubstantiation? Heck, I mastered “supercalifagilisticexpialidotius” after a few weeks.

He also customizes other sections of the Mass. Headache. Oh, well.

I guess we should be grateful we’ve got any priest willing to show up to celebrate.
 
retire_early said:
Did you mean to say, “…the Cardinal…will sometimes recite the* Creed*…?”-- Since the previous poster said they skipped the Creed altogether and did the Gloria twice.
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The OP said the priest skipped BOTH the Gloria and the Creed. I was responding to another poster who noted that the Spanish mass at his parish tends to replace the Gloria with a “Gloria-like” Spanish hymn. This is sadly very widespread in the Dominican Republic…where I reside part of the time.
 
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