Gloria

[Ad_Altare_Dei_1]

At our church we’ve started singing a different type of Gloria. The cantor sings verses related to the normal Gloria prayer but not exactly those words, and we respond after each stanza with “Gloria, gloria, gloria, el senor. Gloria, gloria, gloria mi Dios”. This is strange because we don’t have a large Hispanic membership, just a few small families at most. Is this form approved? I’ve decided if it’s not that I’m just going to pray the Gloria in my head and not sing.

 

[MarkThompson]

At our church we’ve started singing a different type of Gloria. The cantor sings verses related to the normal Gloria prayer but not exactly those words, and we respond after each stanza with “Gloria, gloria, gloria, el senor. Gloria, gloria, gloria mi Dios”. This is strange because we don’t have a large Hispanic membership, just a few small families at most. Is this form approved? I’ve decided if it’s not that I’m just going to pray the Gloria in my head and not sing.

No, not approved.

 

[JGMendes4049]

Is this form approved?

I have heard a couple Spanish Glorias before, and the refrain (which isn’t allowed, but that’s another discussion) usually is “Gloria a Dios en el cielo, y en la tierra paz a los hombres que ama el Señor.” I’m assuming that the one you spoke of doesn’t have those words. Take this with a grain of salt though, because I have virtually no knowledge of Spanish.

 

[Corki]

No, it’s not approved. The words of the Gloria are fixed, there are no optional adaptions.

I don’t think it’s forbidden to mix languages; we sometimes sing a version that is part Latin, part English. But the words you describe are not part of the Spanish Gloria either (see below).

Gloria a Dios en el cielo, y en la tierra paz a los hombres que ama el Señor. Por tu inmensa gloria te alabamos, te bendecimos, te adoramos, te glorificamos, te damos gracias, Señor Dios, Rey celestial, Dios Padre todopoderoso. Señor, Hijo único, Jesucristo. Señor Dios, Cordero de Dios, Hijo del Padre; tú que quitas el pecado del mundo, ten piedad de nosotros; tú que quitas el pecado del mundo, atiende nuestra súplica; tú que estás sentado a la derecha del Padre, ten piedad de nosotros; porque sólo tú eres Santo, sólo tú Señor, sólo tú Altísimo Jesucristo, con el Espíritu Santo en la gloria de Dios Padre. Amén.

I’ve decided if it’s not that I’m just going to pray the Gloria in my head and not sing.

That’s what I do whenever the cantor goes off the reservation.

 

[CatholicZ09]

Does it happen to be this version?: printandpraise.com/songprint/file/4225/preview/240374/113300.img

From what I’ve read, it’s not a licit version because it paraphrases the actual Gloria. For those of you who care, here’s the English version of it:

Refrain: Glory! Glory! Glory to God!
Glory! Glory! Glory to God!

1. Glory to God in the heights of the heavens.
   Peace to God’s people, all people on earth. (Refrain)

1. Son of the Father, all glory and worship;
   praise and thanksgiving, to you, Lamb of God. (Refrain)

1. You take away the sin of the world;
   have mercy on us, receive our prayer. (Refrain)

1. Seated in pow’r at the right of the Father,
   Jesus alone is the Lord, the Most High. (Refrain)

1. And with the Spirit of love everlasting,
   reigning in glory forever. Amen. (Refrain)

There’s several Spanish Glorias, but this is just for an example.

 

[benedictgal]

This is highly ilicit. Unfortunately, this is par for the course for a few OCP Spanish-language versions of the Gloria.

Redemptionis Sacramentum, the GIRM, the Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy and Liturgiam Authenticam make it quite clear that this is not allowed.

 

[quiet52]

Some choirs use Jesse Manibusan’s “Glory to God Most High” found in “Spirit and Song.” It’s catchy and upbeat, but illicit.
When are these days going to end, when musicians re-write our liturgical prayers and so-called Catholic publishers publish them as if they are approved?

 

[Ad_Altare_Dei_1]

Does it happen to be this version?: printandpraise.com/songprint/file/4225/preview/240374/113300.img

From what I’ve read, it’s not a licit version because it paraphrases the actual Gloria. For those of you who care, here’s the English version of it:

There’s several Spanish Glorias, but this is just for an example.

This is very close to the version we sing. This one seems a bit shorter but the words are almost identical. So sad that we cannot enjoy the normal liturgy in it’s entirety.

 

[DCNBILL]

Some choirs use Jesse Manibusan’s “Glory to God Most High” found in “Spirit and Song.” It’s catchy and upbeat, but illicit.
When are these days going to end, when musicians re-write our liturgical prayers and so-called Catholic publishers publish them as if they are approved?

Hopefully when the new Missal takes effect this Advent!

 

[japhy]

At our church we’ve started singing a different type of Gloria. The cantor sings verses related to the normal Gloria prayer but not exactly those words, and we respond after each stanza with “Gloria, gloria, gloria, el senor. Gloria, gloria, gloria mi Dios”.

Anything but Latin!

Hopefully when the new Missal takes effect this Advent!

I’m not so optimistic that the new translation will cause people to stop changing the words. If anything, they’ll change more of the words, because they won’t like any of the new ones.

 

[Phemie]

Hopefully when the new Missal takes effect this Advent!

I wouldn’t hold my breath

 

[Ad_Altare_Dei_1]

Well, I’ve changed parishes twice in the past 5 years due to liturgical abuses. Most were pretty severe such as having all kids up to the altar and doing a puppet show for them during the homily (during regular Mass, not a children’s liturgy), altering the words of consecration and other such nonsense. I suppose I can deal with this weird Gloria and remain at my current parish. Everything else about the liturgy is spot on and wonderful. As I said originally, I’ll just say the real Gloria quietly to myself and God while everyone else sings. I pray this will end with the new Missal, if not sooner.