Glory and Praise Hymnal

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When I played in our parish folk group, we used the Glory and Praise Hymnal extensively. I always enjoyed it and much to the chagrin of some folks in here, it was very appropriate for Mass.

Of course, this and other Hymnals were approved by the Bishops in various dioceses across the US, as the Church had lawsuits brought against them, for copy right violations, as people in music ministries across the country, having a lack of modern material, began photo copying hymns from various places, and using them as hymnals in their local parishes.

Glory and Praise, as well as Gather, helped put a stop to copy right violations, as musicians found the songs to be well done and appropriate.

Thanks for posting the link to the article!

Jim
 
I hate when the priest chooses hymns from the Glory and Praise hymnal because I have to explain it to the parish when I lector in a little speech that makes me feel like a flight attendant.

Otherwise I like the hymns.
 
I hate when the priest chooses hymns from the Glory and Praise hymnal because I have to explain it to the parish when I lector in a little speech that makes me feel like a flight attendant.

Otherwise I like the hymns.
I’m curious, what’s there to explain?

Jim
 
Well I have to make it quite clear that the hymn is in the brown Glory and Praise hymnal and not in the back of the “Celebrating the Eucharist” missalette. On more than one occasion I’d step back from the ambo just as the organ started blaring the music and see half the parish thumbing through the missalette or looking at me like I told them a lie.
 
If I read the author correctly, then The Brady Bunch, Welcome Back, Kotter and Three’s Company would then be far superior than William Shakespeare. :eek:

The SLJ didn’t raise any bar as far as Sacred Music is concerned. In fact, they lowered it worse than the limbo. Not only did the seventies give us Disco, the Village People and bell-bottom trousers, the decade gave us the worst in liturgical music.

The theological depth of the SLJ lyrics, while taken from biblical sources, does not even reach the beauty of what St. Thomas Aquinas wrote.
 
I will agree with the author that some of the pre-V II music was sentimental - particularly the Marian hymns. But there were far better hymns that got thrown out and are very rarely if ever heard.

I am not a professional musician. I sang in my high school choir in the years immediately after Vatican II and I saw the changes first hand. “And They’ll Know We are Christians by Our Love” is not superior to “To Jesus Christ Our Sovereign King”.

In the years that followed, the calibre of music plummeted. I quit going to any sung Mass because the music was horrid and played just like a bunch of kids in a garage. That usually meant the earliest Mass on Sunday morning - and then the singing started at the earliest Mass too.

In 1983 I joined our cathedral choir. My only musical training I got singing in my high school choir fifteen years earlier. We had copies of Glory and Praise, of course, but the only time we ever used it was for diocesan events. We got our copies of Worship III sometime in the mid-to-late 80s and we have been using it since to great success. The hymns in Worship III are equally singable and have the added advantage of having four part harmony. The hymns are equally scriptural.

I won’t talk about the music selected for diocesan events which is composed by most of the authors in Glory and Praise. What I will say is that I have had more visitors come up to me after a normal Sunday Mass and tell me they wished their parishes would do what we do. There are alternatives but they are never pointed out.
 
Any music minister who is worth their salt will recognize that each musical genre has its good and bad representations, and will choose the best from each, assuming that they are litugically sound, of course. The MM shouldn’t limit themselves (or their parish) to strictly one genre unless lack of resources prevents it.
 
Any music minister who is worth their salt will recognize that each musical genre has its good and bad representations, and will choose the best from each, assuming that they are litugically sound, of course. The MM shouldn’t limit themselves (or their parish) to strictly one genre unless lack of resources prevents it.
Not necessarily, especially, if there are questionable hymns associated with that genre. The SLJ aren’t known for being the pantheon of great Sacred music. I wouldn’t put them on the level with Gregorian music, nor would I put them on par with St. Thomas Aquainas. They simply aren’t at that level. In fact, most of their collection, which is now owned by OCP, is under sub-par.

Brotherhrolf makes some very valid points in his posts. Unfortunately, a lot of the Glory and Praise stuff is sentimental, much worse than what came before it.
 
A cathedral lchoir directore (with whom I studied music) calls it “Gory and Puke”.
 
I think the author makes a good point, that the G&P hymnal, while modern, bridged over the 70’s stuff that brotherhrolf has referred to in the past, “Sons of God”, They will know we are Christians", etc.

I see G&P as a compromise of sorts. Modern music for modern instruments that does give a sense of being in Church as opposed to a Jesus Party of sorts.
 
If I read the author correctly, then The Brady Bunch, Welcome Back, Kotter and Three’s Company would then be far superior than William Shakespeare. :eek:

The SLJ didn’t raise any bar as far as Sacred Music is concerned. In fact, they lowered it worse than the limbo. Not only did the seventies give us Disco, the Village People and bell-bottom trousers, the decade gave us the worst in liturgical music.

The theological depth of the SLJ lyrics, while taken from biblical sources, does not even reach the beauty of what St. Thomas Aquinas wrote.
This of course is your opinion, which isn’t necessarily grounded in reality.🙂

Jim
 
A cathedral lchoir directore (with whom I studied music) calls it “Gory and Puke”.
Mine in the late 80s called it “sacro-pop” and had a rule of thumb that if you could envision Kemit and Miss Piggy singing it, it probably came from Glory and Praise. 😃
 
😉 The director of our Schola in college used to call us (the ‘folk’ group) the “Hum and Strum.” Course, he was just jealous because our masses were better attended. 😃 (Then again, since his mass was at 11am on a Sunday morning probably had a lot to do with it. 😉
 
Having now finally read the article (it’s a long one), the most interesting thing about it are the slew of comments afterwards. Some of the posts there are remarkably similar to some posted on this site (though not necessarily this thread). I think this is one of those subjects that will never be fully resolved - too many people have too strong an opinion on it.
 
This of course is your opinion, which isn’t necessarily grounded in reality.🙂

Jim
Of course, there are some of us who have actually read the Holy Father’s books, so, we live in the same cosmos as he does. 😃 At least, we agree with him when he writes that certainly, as far as the Mass goes, certainly not one song is as good as another.

Unfortunately, the SLJ came about like the Fifth Dimension, singing about the Age of Aquarius, which, has, thank God, come and gone.
 
In regards to the actual article, although I don’t really agree with the author, I did see in the comments that the author clarified his stance on the music a little more. He admitted that most of the music in the G&P was not great, but believed that there were a few “gems” within the muck. He was referring to someone’s comment as the baby being thrown out with the bathwater and he agreed that there was a lot more bathwater than baby. Further clarification in what he was trying to suggest is in his quote of the comments section:
It’s a truth of the human condition that you can’t legislate quality. More basically, you can’t force people to do well. You can urge, intimidate, cajole, threaten, and inspire. I think the Roman approach recognizes this.
The institutional church can make some inroads in omitting the bad. But mediocrity is pretty well entrenched from top to bottom.
My sense is that the bulk of the G&P repertoire as usually presented in parishes, is mediocre. Not unlike chant or most any other form of music. Occasionally, one will find a parish or religious community with brilliant music. That’s more often because the pastor is committed, a skilled person or people are engaged, and the people support the operation. Mozart (and others) wrote brilliant music not because the Church told him to do so, but because interior inspiration was aided by patrons and circumstances.
The bold was mine. These things are key. In the past, many of the brilliant and very gifted composers had patrons to support them within the Church and outside. They didn’t have to rely on publishing houses to say “Yay” or “Nay” if they didn’t think the music was going to sell or pander to the general public. The Church or the private patron commissioning these works only expected the best from these composers and artists of all other genres. Although some of these composers might have created music that others of that time and subsequent generations may debate whether or not it was appropriate for mass, there is rarely a debate as to whether the music was brilliantly composed. And if they didn’t produce compositions worthy of their brilliance, genius or best talents, they’d be laughed out of town.

As I read more about it and look into musical compositions from various centuries, I believe it is obvious that poorly written music or music written in bad taste did not just begin with Vatican II. It has been around for many centuries, except that the Church at different points in history had an easier time of controlling the infiltration and over time was able to get rid of much of the muck that we don’t hear today when listening to the best of our sacred musical heritage. When you look at the compositions and listen to a really horrible time of organ music literature (really sentimental fluff) it’s no wonder many people of our grandparents’ and parents’ generation, then subsequently my generation were turned off to the organ, which led to less people taking up the instrument. If we didn’t have the brilliant genius of an organist (he’d blush if he knew I called him that) at our cathedral, I probably wouldn’t have thought much about the organ and would have never known the beautiful repertoire from past and present composers.

I see where the author is trying to say that making the G&P got rid of more of the junk from that chaotic time of music liturgy and that it was trying to rein in the youth and younger adults from straying too far. But I believe the need to pander to that generation is over. They are older now and they are now in the Church for the long haul whether or not the music was inspiring to them and have grown from that point in their lives. My parents, although they used to like “Prayer of St. Francis” and some of the other folksy type of music of their time, they have actually admitted to me that they can’t stand that music any longer for mass and find it superficial and offensive. I asked them what changed. For them it was the novelty of the music and a product of their time. They needed something lighter and feel-good. Not that they didn’t like chant and other music from various periods. But now, they see, appreciate and love even more that music. My father was so inspired and spiritually touched by the music of our cathedral choir last Sunday, in which they take advantage of the best of the musical heritage from the past and present (no G&P hymnals at our parish), he really can’t see ever going to that state of his youth.

This can probably be said about some of the newer pop-like and P&W music we hear today for some people of my generation and the younger generation. Although, I can’t stand it and will never agree that it is appropriate for mass, perhaps for some of these people they need to get through that state of sacred music before transcending deeper. But that deeper state can’t be achieved unless they receive proper leadership and education. My parents had that education and leadership in the past - plus they had a daughter who is a classically trained musician to help them along. So they were able to harken to it. Many people of my generation don’t have that.
 
I see where the author is trying to say that making the G&P got rid of more of the junk from that chaotic time of music liturgy and that it was trying to rein in the youth and younger adults from straying too far. But I believe the need to pander to that generation is over. They are older now and they are now in the Church for the long haul whether or not the music was inspiring to them and have grown from that point in their lives. My parents, although they used to like “Prayer of St. Francis” and some of the other folksy type of music of their time, they have actually admitted to me that they can’t stand that music any longer for mass and find it superficial and offensive. .
Would that that were true everywhere. The choir in my parish, consisting of nobody under 40, has just dug out the old G&P, G&P 2 and G&P 3. We’re now singing Carey Landry’s horrible Gloria from “Young People’s Mass” & “The Mass is Ended”
every Sunday. It makes me want to wear my bite plane each time I go to Mass, such is the grinding of teeth that occurs each time I hear that garbage.
 
Would that that were true everywhere. The choir in my parish, consisting of nobody under 40, has just dug out the old G&P, G&P 2 and G&P 3. We’re now singing Carey Landry’s horrible Gloria from “Young People’s Mass” & “The Mass is Ended”
every Sunday. It makes me want to wear my bite plane each time I go to Mass, such is the grinding of teeth that occurs each time I hear that garbage.
It can’t be any worse than at my diocese where the music for the flagship school’s First Holy Communion Mass consisted of They’ll Know We are Christians and This Little Light of Mine, truly the worst of the bunch. This was really bad stuff, and, all courtesy of the Gory and Blase book.
 
benedictgal
Of course, there are some of us who have actually read the Holy Father’s books, so, we live in the same cosmos as he does. 😃 At least, we agree with him when he writes that certainly, as far as the Mass goes, certainly not one song is as good as another.
But the Pope speaks from a frame of reference of having been not only the Pope for the past three years, but as a Cardinal, in Rome, for at least the past 3 decades.

When do you think the Pope sat in a a pew of a Mass at a little American Parish like mine? Do you think he’d expect to hear the classical Cathedral Music that he’s been accustom to for more than half his life, or would he understand the cultural difference between small town America and the Vatican? I think he’d understand. He sure seemed to during his recent visit to the US.
Unfortunately, the SLJ came about like the Fifth Dimension, singing about the Age of Aquarius, which, has, thank God, come and gone.
Of course the SLJ hymns don’t sound anything like the Fifth Dimension, nor any of the other derogatory terms you like to use against them.

I wouldn’t want to see Glory and Praise Hymns used at a Cathedral, but it fits well in smaller parishes where the people
in the pews are actually sing.

I knew the article the OP posted, wouldn’t go by without great wailing and gnashing of teeth by the Trads of this forum. 😃

Jim
 
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