Glory be to God!

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(OCA) - His Beatitude, Metropolitan Jonah, Primate of the Orthodox Church in America, and His Eminence, Metropolitan Hilarion, First Hierarch of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia, concelebrated the Divine Liturgy for the first time at the Synodal Cathedral of the Sign, New York, NY, on Saturday, December 10, 2011.

The celebration marked the first time in nearly 70 years that the primates and hierarchs of the OCA and ROCOR have concelebrated. It is noteworthy that the Liturgy was celebrated on the cathedral’s Patronal Feast of the Kursk-Root Icon of the Mother of God, which was present during the Divine Liturgy.

 
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(OCA) - His Beatitude, Metropolitan Jonah, Primate of the Orthodox Church in America, and His Eminence, Metropolitan Hilarion, First Hierarch of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia, concelebrated the Divine Liturgy for the first time at the Synodal Cathedral of the Sign, New York, NY, on Saturday, December 10, 2011.

The celebration marked the first time in nearly 70 years that the primates and hierarchs of the OCA and ROCOR have concelebrated. It is noteworthy that the Liturgy was celebrated on the cathedral’s Patronal Feast of the Kursk-Root Icon of the Mother of God, which was present during the Divine Liturgy.

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Resumption of Communion between ROCOR and the ROC, and there by extension the OCA is still a marvel to me. I hurt for those who did not make the transition with ROCOR. I pray for them and their spiritual and ecclesial journey. I am sure they were on the minds of the bishops during this liturgy as well as the celebration of shared communion with once disaffected brothers and sisters.

M.
 
Hopefully this can be seen as a precursor to eventual resumption of full communion between those of us who call ourselves “Catholic” and those of us who call ourselves “Orthodox”. By itself, that is without it being such a precursor, it is a wonderful thing. If it is, indeed, such a precursor its wonder increases manifold!

If the Orthodox are able to eventually be in full communion with themselves, that bodes especially well, I believe, for the possibility of the resumption of full communion between Catholics and Orthodox–some divisions within the Catholic Church notwithstanding.

Jeff
 
I was getting ready for a nap when I opened this thread. I am wide awake now. 😃 Wow! 👍 Gaudete, gaudete!

Bishop Benjamin was for hours at the altar feast for St. Nicholas I attended, DL and the festal Trapeza after. I heard no buzz there about this in the offing.

Met. Jonah is a truly remarkable guy. 👍 And big praise and thanksgiving also to His Eminence, Met.Hilarion. What a fantastic Christmas gift this is.

Truly, all glory to God!
 
Sounds like you guys are pretty stoked.

Could someone give a little background and quick explanation? Maybe a sentance or two for this ignorant Roman Catholic? 😃

-Tim-
 
Wow! I’ll try…and will trust to others to correct my mistakes 🤷.

Once upon a time there was the Russian Orthodox Church. Then came the 1917 Revolution and all that ensued. Some Russian laity and clergy left Russia, fell out with the Patriarchate of Moscow, and formed what became the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia. Phew!

Russian Orthodox in the U.S., were, I believe, affiliated with either Moscow or ROCOR. Some wanted an autocephalus American Orthodox Church. That became the OCA, which was mainly but not exclusively Russian, and became less “Russian” as time went on. ROCOR and Moscow were not in communion with each other. This changed when ROCOR and the MP re-united recently. The OCA is still an autocephalus church, so when the two (which were three, which had been one–are you confused yet :D:eek::D?) concelebrated it signaled resumption of full communion between all of them. I think.

I’ve no doubt whatsoever that someone else (like Mickey or Mary or…just about anyone) can tell it better and perhaps more succinctly–leaving you less confused than I have probably made you 🤷.

Jeff
 
MrPip said:
Wow! I’ll try…and will trust to others to correct my mistakes 🤷.

Once upon a time there was the Russian Orthodox Church. Then came the 1917 Revolution and all that ensued. Some Russian laity and clergy left Russia, fell out with the Patriarchate of Moscow, and formed what became the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia. Phew!

Russian Orthodox in the U.S., were, I believe, affiliated with either Moscow or ROCOR. Some wanted an autocephalus American Orthodox Church. That became the OCA, which was mainly but not exclusively Russian, and became less “Russian” as time went on. ROCOR and Moscow were not in communion with each other. This changed when ROCOR and the MP re-united recently. The OCA is still an autocephalus church, so when the two (which were three, which had been one–are you confused yet :D:eek::D?) concelebrated it signaled resumption of full communion between all of them. I think.

I’ve no doubt whatsoever that someone else (like Mickey or Mary or…just about anyone) can tell it better and perhaps more succinctly–leaving you less confused than I have probably made you 🤷.

Jeff
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Well then, Glory be to God indeed!

-Tim-
 
MrPip said:
Amen!!

And may it, by the Grace of God, eventually lead to full reunification of all Orthodox and Catholic Christians!

Jeff
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Oh it will happen. No doubt about it.

So he said to them, “Cast the net over the right side of the boat and you will find something.” So they cast it, and were not able to pull it in because of the number of fish. So the disciple whom Jesus loved said to Peter, “It is the Lord.” When Simon Peter heard that it was the Lord, he tucked in his garment, for he was lightly clad, and jumped into the sea. The other disciples came in the boat, for they were not far from shore, only about a hundred yards, dragging the net with the fish. When they climbed out on shore, they saw a charcoal fire with fish on it and bread. Jesus said to them, “Bring some of the fish you just caught.” So Simon Peter went over and dragged the net ashore full of one hundred fifty-three large fish. Even though there were so many, the net was not torn. (John 21:6-11)*

The net is the church and we are the fish. Peter, the leader of the Church, drags the net full of fish to Jesus’ feet at the end of time and presents him with the catch, you and I. Then they all sit down to a meal. It’s a beautiful picture of the end of time, written by John very early in the life of the universal Church.

The Greek word for tear is scism. The net was without tear as the Church will be without scism. “Even though there were so many, the net was not torn.” There will be one Church, no doubt about it. And many will bring gifts into the Church - imagine 17,000,000 Southern Baptists venerating the Holy Mother of God. Imagine all those Jehovah’s Witnesses going door to door convincing people that they need to be baptized and recieve the sacraments. Imagine all of those Bible thumping Evangelicals proclaiming that the Word of God became flesh for us to consume in the Holy Eucharist.

It will happen. How it happens in time and space, I don’t know, but Christ’s prayer for unity in John 17 will not go unanswered. All will be united, not just Orthodox and Catholic.

-Tim-
 
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Oh it will happen. No doubt about it.

So he said to them, “Cast the net over the right side of the boat and you will find something.” So they cast it, and were not able to pull it in because of the number of fish. So the disciple whom Jesus loved said to Peter, “It is the Lord.” When Simon Peter heard that it was the Lord, he tucked in his garment, for he was lightly clad, and jumped into the sea. The other disciples came in the boat, for they were not far from shore, only about a hundred yards, dragging the net with the fish. When they climbed out on shore, they saw a charcoal fire with fish on it and bread. Jesus said to them, “Bring some of the fish you just caught.” So Simon Peter went over and dragged the net ashore full of one hundred fifty-three large fish. Even though there were so many, the net was not torn*. (John 21:6-11)

The net is the church and we are the fish. Peter, the leader of the Church, drags the net full of fish to Jesus’ feet at the end of time and presents him with the catch, you and I. Then they all sit down to a meal. It’s a beautiful picture of the end of time, written by John very early in the life of the universal Church.

The Greek word for tear is scism. The net was without tear as the Church will be without scism. “Even though there were so many, the net was not torn.” There will be one Church, no doubt about it. And many will bring gifts into the Church - imagine 17,000,000 Southern Baptists venerating the Holy Mother of God. Imagine all those Jehovah’s Witnesses going door to door convincing people that they need to be baptized and recieve the sacraments. Imagine all of those Bible thumping Evangelicals proclaiming that the Word of God became flesh for us to consume in the Holy Eucharist.

It will happen. How it happens in time and space, I don’t know, but Christ’s prayer for unity in John 17 will not go unanswered. All will be united, not just Orthodox and Catholic.

-Tim-
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Well said, Tim, and I agree. I was just referring to something a little more “immediate”, as in within the next few hundred years (???) , before the Parousia ;). But yes, I’ve no doubt that it will happen.

Jeff
 
MrPip said:
Well said, Tim, and I agree. I was just referring to something a little more “immediate”, as in within the next few hundred years (???) , before the Parousia ;). But yes, I’ve no doubt that it will happen.

Jeff
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LOL, yea, I hope we live to see it. Come Lord Jesus! I hope it happens tonight…

But based on past history and our ability to screw things up, it probably isn’t going to happen in our lifetime.

I’ll let you guys get back to your party. 🍰

-Tim-
 
TimothyH said:
LOL, yea, I hope we live to see it. Come Lord Jesus! I hope it happens tonight…

But based on past history and our ability to screw things up, it probably isn’t going to happen in our lifetime.

I’ll let you guys get back to your party. 🍰

-Tim-
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“You guys”?? Hey, everybody’s invited to the Feast, last I heard 👍:D!

(Btw, I’m ByzCath attending an RC parish, and love both Latin and Byzantine Catholicism equally–I know…I’m weird 🤷)
 
Orthodox Catholics should all rejoice at this resumption of communion.
 
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