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ab75
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Can a Catholic work as a server or chef in an expensive restaurant?And not more than half of what the neighbor two doors down would spend on seventy-five percent of the same item.
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Joe_5859
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I donât see why not.
I think âexpensiveâ can be relative, to some degree. For me to eat âtoo expensivelyâ might be eating at Applebees. For Donald Trump, it might be something altogether different.
Itâs an interesting question, though. Iâll have to think about it some more.
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ab75
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I certainly believe they can
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Sailor_Kenshin
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Show me where it says in the CC that he can not.
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neusys
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you mean to tell me that i cannot enjoy my food from something that may taste so good?
i cook and bake a lot, and yes, i give thanks, but there are times where i may make something or even out in a public restaurant that the food tastes so good, that i just find it so wonderful. what is wrong with that? is the church that strict with sin that i am already committing gluttony? i apologize, i do not know what world St. Thomas lived in, but there is something wrong with the definition of those six ways of committing the sin of gluttony! ** eating too soon? according to what time and whose clock? eating too expensively! okay, i can give you that, along with eating too much! eating too eagerly? suppose your ravenous, hungry? what about those who have been starving? eating too daintily (with the pinky raised) and fervently? according to the Merriam-Webster dictionary: FERVENTLY: exhibiting or marked by great intensity of feeling! sounds like something from the Puritan days where everything is on a plane of heightened and forbidden sexuality â another sin! please! i welcome your comments!
i cook and bake a lot, and yes, i give thanks, but there are times where i may make something or even out in a public restaurant that the food tastes so good, that i just find it so wonderful. what is wrong with that? is the church that strict with sin that i am already committing gluttony? i apologize, i do not know what world St. Thomas lived in, but there is something wrong with the definition of those six ways of committing the sin of gluttony! ** eating too soon? according to what time and whose clock? eating too expensively! okay, i can give you that, along with eating too much! eating too eagerly? suppose your ravenous, hungry? what about those who have been starving? eating too daintily (with the pinky raised) and fervently? according to the Merriam-Webster dictionary: FERVENTLY: exhibiting or marked by great intensity of feeling! sounds like something from the Puritan days where everything is on a plane of heightened and forbidden sexuality â another sin! please! i welcome your comments!
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Kelfa28
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Too expensively?
Seriously?
So, that one time when my husband took me out for my 30th birthday to a really upscale restaurant that was clearly out of our budgetâŚthat was actually sinning?
WowâŚlooks like we canât ever do that again.
What in the world is wrong with treating yourself to an âexpensiveâ meal once for a milestone birthday or anniversary or to celebrate something special?
Seriously?
So, that one time when my husband took me out for my 30th birthday to a really upscale restaurant that was clearly out of our budgetâŚthat was actually sinning?
WowâŚlooks like we canât ever do that again.
What in the world is wrong with treating yourself to an âexpensiveâ meal once for a milestone birthday or anniversary or to celebrate something special?
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Oneofthewomen
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I work in food. Right now, with things they way they are in the US, eating a âbasicâ diet of fresh fruits & veggies, poultry, eggs and fish is âtoo expensiveâ for many people.
Itâs why we have a weight problem in America.
I bought 2 zucchini, a small head of lettuce, some cherries and a quart of fresh strawberries, all from local producers and it cost me over $10. Not enough to feed a family, for sure.
But I guess I am eating to âexpensivelyâ. Guess Iâll go back to my âLittle Debbieâ snacks, they only cost $2 a box.
Itâs why we have a weight problem in America.
I bought 2 zucchini, a small head of lettuce, some cherries and a quart of fresh strawberries, all from local producers and it cost me over $10. Not enough to feed a family, for sure.
But I guess I am eating to âexpensivelyâ. Guess Iâll go back to my âLittle Debbieâ snacks, they only cost $2 a box.
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SighGuy
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Gluttony is a sin. We can dismiss all of the notions that St. Thomas Aquinas lists and say, âthatâs all silly and relative,â and at the end of the day, weâre forced to admit weâve dismissed the whole concept of gluttony, or reduced it to some silly caricature like âonly eating a ton of food and forcing others into hunger is sinful.â
Gluttony is sinful. It requires a moderate and experienced eye to determine this kind of thing.
Eating thirty dollar steaks every week is a form of gluttony. That money belongs to the poor.
Eating a thirty dollar steak once, because some wonderful event has occurred, is a celebration and is not gluttony.
Consider the spikenard and Our Lordâs anointing. If the spikenard were being wasted flippantly, Judas would be right in exclaiming âthat should have been sold and given to the poor!â Thereâs no reason to be wasting food and money flippantly, for silly reasons, for meaningless reasons beyond mere entertainment. Occasionally there are events which are worthy of those resources.
Again, consider a wedding. Cutting every corner to be as cheap as possible is not necessarily right, especially if it impacts the holy character of the wedding (supposing that the couple could afford to pay for the bells and whistles) by making it look cheap, and failing to properly honor the bride on such a momentous occasion. But these same expenses for another day would be absurd and wasteful and sinful.
We have to keep things in perspective.
Gluttony is sinful. It requires a moderate and experienced eye to determine this kind of thing.
Eating thirty dollar steaks every week is a form of gluttony. That money belongs to the poor.
Eating a thirty dollar steak once, because some wonderful event has occurred, is a celebration and is not gluttony.
Consider the spikenard and Our Lordâs anointing. If the spikenard were being wasted flippantly, Judas would be right in exclaiming âthat should have been sold and given to the poor!â Thereâs no reason to be wasting food and money flippantly, for silly reasons, for meaningless reasons beyond mere entertainment. Occasionally there are events which are worthy of those resources.
Again, consider a wedding. Cutting every corner to be as cheap as possible is not necessarily right, especially if it impacts the holy character of the wedding (supposing that the couple could afford to pay for the bells and whistles) by making it look cheap, and failing to properly honor the bride on such a momentous occasion. But these same expenses for another day would be absurd and wasteful and sinful.
We have to keep things in perspective.
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TypesAndShadows
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Before people mock the very idea that gluttony is even a thing, pause and consider.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthorexia_nervosa
And so on, and so forth.
I wonder if part of why people are finding this difficult to accept is that a big part of society tells us that there are good and bad people, and that good people do good things, and bad people do bad things. As long as you arenât one of those bad people doing completely wicked things, you are a good person, and so it follows that nothing you do is a sin. It cannot be that something you would normally do could be sinful, even contextually. But that isnât how it works: everyone sins. We know this. I do things that I know are wrong: I sin. Everybody does: we are all sinners, and all called to be saints.
The Church does indeed tell us that lots of things we might casually do, and nobody around us would have any problem with, are sins. Thatâs not a reason to beat ourselves up: itâs a reason to reflect on our thinking and behaviour, to bring it up in Confession, and continually work to purify and sanctify ourselves.
We should expect the Churchâs rules to be different from the surrounding culture, because it is permanently true.
I have just eaten my lunch, and my dinner (one of my favourite things) is in the fridge. I eat it now, rather than wait, because I just donât see any reason why I shouldnât eat things I like straight away. I regret it, as I then am too full and feel ill. I could have eaten it at dinner time with no ill effects, but I was too gluttonous to wait.
[independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/news/chelsea-restaurant-creates-worlds-most-expensive-burger-with-gold-leaf-and-caviar-9778782.html]](http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...burger-with-gold-leaf-and-caviar-9778782.html])
I think this goes without saying.
If I sit down for a meal with my family, and throw myself into grabbing what I want and eating it quickly so Iâm done as soon as possible, rather than enjoying the food and my family, looking out for their needs, that is gluttonous, surely?
theguardian.com/news/2014/dec/03/-sp-trouble-with-fruitarians
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthorexia_nervosa
And so on, and so forth.
Eating wildly is not a way to enjoy the food, or show respect for it and yourself, surely?
I wonder if part of why people are finding this difficult to accept is that a big part of society tells us that there are good and bad people, and that good people do good things, and bad people do bad things. As long as you arenât one of those bad people doing completely wicked things, you are a good person, and so it follows that nothing you do is a sin. It cannot be that something you would normally do could be sinful, even contextually. But that isnât how it works: everyone sins. We know this. I do things that I know are wrong: I sin. Everybody does: we are all sinners, and all called to be saints.
The Church does indeed tell us that lots of things we might casually do, and nobody around us would have any problem with, are sins. Thatâs not a reason to beat ourselves up: itâs a reason to reflect on our thinking and behaviour, to bring it up in Confession, and continually work to purify and sanctify ourselves.
We should expect the Churchâs rules to be different from the surrounding culture, because it is permanently true.
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Bookcat
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Yes I would think so.
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Joe_5859
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