Gluttony

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Confession of Sins. Venial Sins. If that was the case, there would be 100 people every Saturday waiting in line out the door because they said NO! to their mommy or eating that extra piece of cake while no one was looking…And your mother said NO!..

100 people every Saturday? More like 100 people a day or more! Just to confess a Venial sin(s) My Priest will be very busy and need to hire extra help and more Confessional Booths…

Or, people will need to start taking notes or have a big personal logbook of sins committed thru the day. Due diligence. And take this log book and spend an hour with your Priest. While 100 people of the same are waiting in line…

If one wants to obey the “Letter of the Law”.

The 10 Commandments again. Do not break any of these, you will be fine.
vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/command.htm

Break one of them, and one must go to that Confessional Booth…
 
Confession of Sins. Venial Sins.
Yes venial sins may be forgiven in many ways. It is good when one goes to confession to confess at least some --and it is good to go to confession frequently – but yes can be forgiven in many ways.
 
The 10 Commandments again. Do not break any of these, you will be fine.
vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/command.htm

Break one of them, and one must go to that Confessional Booth…
Yes if one lusts, or commits adultery, or murders, or misses Sunday Mass, or robs a bank etc one must confess such.

But there are many venial matters that yes fall under the Commandments. Which as you noted need not be confessed. Such as venial lies, venial anger, venial gluttony…

Catechism

The obligation of the Decalogue

2072 Since they express man’s fundamental duties towards God and towards his neighbor, the Ten Commandments reveal, in their primordial content, grave obligations. They are fundamentally immutable, and they oblige always and everywhere. No one can dispense from them. The Ten Commandments are engraved by God in the human heart.

2073 Obedience to the Commandments also implies obligations in matter which is, in itself, light. Thus abusive language is forbidden by the fifth commandment, but would be a grave offense only as a result of circumstances or the offender’s intention.

scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s2.htm

(mortal lies, mortal anger or mortal gluttony would need of course be confessed).
 
Yes venial sins may be forgiven in many ways. It is good when one goes to confession to confess at least some --and it is good to go to confession frequently – but yes can be forgiven in many ways.
well said, very important to remember some of your venial sins. Venial sins ignored could easily translate into grave sins I would have to believe.

Eagle1937; 11517566 said:
100 people every Saturday? More like 100 people a day or more! Just to confess a Venial sin(s) My Priest will be very busy and need to hire extra help and more Confessional Booths…

Imagine if the Church reinstated the way the ancient church used to practice reconciliation.
 
However, practicing Catholics must go to confession regularly. I agree with this…

I am way over due…6 months over due…

To confess a few Venial Sins…🙂

I am not perfect.

“But there are many venial matters that yes fall under the Commandments”

I disagree…

Now, if one is angry (Venial Sin) at one and commits murder (Mortal Sin)…Then, I can see where you are coming from. Kind of works together.

But, there are Venial Sins and there are Mortal Sins. Not the same.

Sins. A whole science it seems!

followthissite.com/list-of-sins.php

That list. Take “You Shall Not Kill”. And then it gives a whole list of offenses that has nothing to do with killing another person! That link I gave is unreal. A list under development?…Makes life more complex than necessary.

“Did you unjustly Injure another verbally?” - Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me…

“Serious Matter”, “Sufficient reflection” “free will”…A score card?

Folks, keep it simple…Only these. Anything else is a lesser offense.
vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/command.htm
 
well said, very important to remember some of your venial sins. Venial sins ignored could easily translate into grave sins I would have to believe.
Repeated Deliberate venial sin that is* not repented* of -yes can dispose one to commit mortal sin (not that they “translate” into mortal sin).

Venial sins that are repented in other ways though are not ignored.

But yes the Sacrament comes with its particular graces and helps!
 
To get back to the subject of the thread:
Reason, the virtue of temperance, and good judgement of conscience can guide one in ones eating. Though it is to be noted that what is contrary to temperance for one is not for another and as at least one Saint reminds us–this is a area that is a difficult one where many struggle.

Also note that often one is dealing with venial sin --not serious (an example of serious gluttony is loosing ones reason via being drunk…). It is important to note this for some get confused on this subject.

We should seek to live by virtue here and to eat reasonably…

Individual acts of overeating…intemperance (gluttony in this sense) are “ordinarily” a “venial matter” for venial sin…

(Now certain uncorrected habits that cause at least in the* short term* serious problems can become grave…like perhaps your doctor tells you if you keep eating 7 pieces of cake a day you will seriously harm your health or drop dead…in three months)

An example of gluttony that are grave matter…being drunk to the point of one losing ones reason …
 
Yes gluttony is a capital sin and is against the virtue of temperance. It is also very linked to the sin of lust and disordered sexual behavior as the virtue of temperance is having control over ourselves. When we let sexual desires run our life and when we are victim of sex then it is also against the virtue of temperance. Both gluttony and lust/ sexual sins have the same origin lack of control over your own self and letting your passions run your life.
 
A question these condemnations of gluttony raise: Are we too lax in condemning gluttony, or too strict in condemning lust within marriage?

The arguments for why contraception is never acceptable within marriage. it only satisfies the pleasurable aspect of sexual relations between husband and wife, not the natural purpose of the act (procreation) sound similar to these condemnations of gluttony. One reason gluttony is called sinful by the saints listed in the first post is that it only satifies the pleasurable aspect of eating, not the natural purpose (nourishment).
 
More accurately than “lust within marriage” is “sex where pregnancy is prevented (contraception, or other necessarily sterile methods) within a marriage.”
 
More accurately than “lust within marriage” is “sex where pregnancy is prevented (contraception, or other necessarily sterile methods) within a marriage.”
Regarding contraception and the like:
  1. When is it moral to regulate births?
2368-2369
2399

The regulation of births, which is an aspect of responsible fatherhood and motherhood, is objectively morally acceptable when it is pursued by the spouses without external pressure; when it is practiced not out of selfishness but for serious reasons; and with methods that conform to the objective criteria of morality, that is, periodic continence and use of the infertile periods.
  1. What are immoral means of birth control?
2370-2372

Every action - for example, direct sterilization or contraception - is intrinsically immoral which (either in anticipation of the conjugal act, in its accomplishment or in the development of its natural consequences) proposes, as an end or as a means, to hinder procreation.

vatican.va/archive/compendium_ccc/documents/archive_2005_compendium-ccc_en.html

Such is objectively gravely sinful. There is no “parvity of matter” (smallness in matter) in such - it is always gravely sinful matter.

With gluttony…intemperance…as I noted above there is “parvity of matter” that is there is venial matter in such.
 
What do you think of these quotes about gluttony from saints? We don’t hear about this sin often.

In my opinion, the descriptiopns of gluttony and why it is a sin sound similar to the arguments we hear today for why some kinds of sexual activity are unacceptable within marriage.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gluttony

Pope Gregory I, a doctor of the Church, described four ways by which one can commit sin of gluttony, and corresponding biblical examples for each of them:[3]
  1. Eating before the time of meals in order to satisfy the palate.
    Biblical example: Jonathan eating a little honey, when his father Saul commanded no food to be taken before the evening.[1Sa 14:29]
  2. Seeking delicacies and better quality of food to gratify the “vile sense of taste.”
    Biblical example: When Israelites escaping from Egypt complained, “Who shall give us flesh to eat? We remember the fish which we did eat in Egypt freely; the cucumbers and the melons, and the leeks and the onions and the garlic,” God rained fowls for them to eat but punished them 500 years later.[Num 11:4]
  3. Seeking to stimulate the palate with sauces and seasonings.
    Biblical example: Two sons of Eli the high priest made the sacrificial meat to be cooked in one manner rather than another. They were met with death.[1Sa 4:11]
  4. Exceeding the necessary quantity of food.
    Biblical example: One of the sins of Sodom was “fullness of bread.”[Eze 16:49]
  5. Taking food with too much eagerness, even when eating the proper amount, and even if the food is not luxurious.
    Biblical example: Esau selling his birthright for ordinary food of bread and pottage of lentils. His punishment was that the “profane person . . . who, for a morsel of meat sold his birthright,” we learn that “he found no place for repentance, though he sought it carefully, with tears.” [Gen 25:30] The fifth way is worse than all others, said St. Gregory, because it shows attachment to pleasure most clearly. To recapitulate, St Gregory the Great said that one may succumb to the sin of gluttony by: 1. Time (when); 2. Quality; 3. Stimulants; 4. Quantity; 5. Eagerness
In his Summa Theologica (Part 2-2, Question 148, Article 4), St. Thomas Aquinas reiterated the list of five ways to commit gluttony:
Laute - eating food that is too luxurious, exotic, or costly
Nimis - eating food that is excessive in quantity
Studiose - eating food that is too daintily or elaborately prepared
Praepropere - eating too soon, or at an inappropriate time
Ardenter - eating too eagerly.

Aquinas notes that the first three ways are related to the nature of the food itself, while the last two have to do with the time or manner in which it is consumed

St. Alphonsus Liguori wrote the following when explaining gluttony:

“Pope Innocent XI has condemned the proposition which asserts that it is not a sin to eat or to drink from the sole motive of satisfying the palate. However, it is not a fault to feel pleasure in eating: for it is, generally speaking, impossible to eat without experiencing the delight which food naturally produces. But it is a defect to eat, like beasts, through the sole motive of sensual gratification, and without any reasonable object. Hence, the most delicious meats may be eaten without sin, if the motive be good and worthy of a rational creature; and, in taking the coarsest food through attachment to pleasure, there may be a fault.”
I’m not sure how a post which started out with specific food-related gluttony ended up with contraception, but – getting back to the OP: It seems to me that Pope Gregory’s dictums had a meaning in a specific time and place. Else, #1 can be interpreted as snacking in between meals; #2 as choosing hamburger that is only 10% fat instead of 20% fat, or choosing to feed your family a steak instead of hamburger; #3 as using salt, pepper, and gravy; #4 - what, maybe taking 2 slices of bread instead of one? Pending further guidance from the Church, I really don’t think using salt and pepper is a matter for confession. I’m guessing that at the time these were written, the vast majority of people - Church prelates excepted - didn’t have enough to eat to begin with.
 
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