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Hi I’m new here, this will be my first time posting. My boyfriend and I (both of us Catholic) have been talking about marriage lately. We’ve been together over a year now and we both know that we want to be together forever. I’m ready to be married, but he says he’s not ready to be married yet (though he does want to marry). However he says he is ready for us to live together if I would want to move in. So my question is, if he’s ready for us to be living together, wouldn’t he be ready for us to be married?? The only things missing is commitment to one another and God, a ring, and a piece of paper saying we’re married.
 
My advice? Ask him. Only he can tell you what aspect of marriage it is that he’s not ready for. It may be the commitment, it may be the responsibility, or it may just be an irrational fear of losing his identity, or it could be any number of other things. For me, it was the fear of losing my identity. Luckily, my husband was very patient.
 
Hi I’m new here, this will be my first time posting. My boyfriend and I (both of us Catholic) have been talking about marriage lately. We’ve been together over a year now and we both know that we want to be together forever. I’m ready to be married, but he says he’s not ready to be married yet (though he does want to marry). However he says he is ready for us to live together if I would want to move in. So my question is, if he’s ready for us to be living together, wouldn’t he be ready for us to be married?? The only things missing is commitment to one another and God, a ring, and a piece of paper saying we’re married.
Marriage is a lot more than a “piece of paper” if the two honestly and truly mean it.

He’s afraid of commitment.

Everything’s there but the marriage…the sex, etc. To me, the most important thing is absent, though.
 
Yeah if he’s not ready for marriage then I wouldn’t push it. I certainly don’t recommend living together before marriage either. Definitely do ask what he’s apprehensive about.
 
Living together and having sex before marriage is a mortal sin. I just thought someone should point that out. He must not be a very good Catholic if he’d ask you to compromise yourself that way.
 
For a number of men, they want a sexual relationship and all the rest but without the other accompanying responsibilities.
 
Hi I’m new here, this will be my first time posting. My boyfriend and I (both of us Catholic) have been talking about marriage lately. We’ve been together over a year now and we both know that we want to be together forever.
From what you describe below, I don’t think he really does know for sure. 🤷
I’m ready to be married, but he says he’s not ready to be married yet (though he does want to marry). However he says he is ready for us to live together if I would want to move in. **So my question is, if he’s ready for us to be living together, wouldn’t he be ready for us to be married?? **
No, because he realizes, even if you seem to be a bit confused on the matter, that with cohabitation he won’t have to give 100% commitment. He wants to keep the door open a crack and be able to “slip out the back, Jack / make a new plan, Stan” etc. if he has second thoughts. He may have you and even himself talked into thinking he won’t have those second thoughts, but his wishes speak louder. You must read between the lines and listen to what he’s not saying, what he’s not willing to surrender.
The only things missing is commitment to one another and God, a ring, and a piece of paper saying we’re married.
You said it, honey. Do you realize these are the essential things, the things that truly matter?

Let me make an analogy. You and he board an airplane. It has a fuselage, seats, a pilot and crew, beverage cart service, and other amenities. However, it lacks wings, an engine, and fuel. But you think you’re going to be able to fly in that thing?
 
Do you really want to marry a man who would encourage you to commit a mortal sin? Do you want a man with no self control? Don’t you want someone who will protect you, physically and spiritually, even at a cost to himself? You’re going to have to live with this man at his best and his worst. Try and make sure that his worst is something you can tolerate.

If he is ready to move in then he’d better be ready for marriage. That’s the deal in the Catholic faith. If you want to commit your body to someone then you commit the rest of yourself. If you are not ready to commit the rest of yourself then you’re not ready to commit the body. You can live together. It’s premarital sex that’s the sin.

But I don’t think he’s offering you your own room.

Look at the statistics- couples who live together are far more likely to divorce. That’s before the number of couples living together who break up and move on to the next relationship. And imagine your wedding day. Don’t you want to stand up in church and be able to look God in the face and say, ‘Here we are, Lord, ready to do Your will.’

I think the fact that you are asking this here is telling. You ask a Catholic forum if you should commit a mortal sin? I think you know what your answer should be. Know that we are here to support you in prayer.
 
I think the issue is that you guys are still on separate tangents. You are ready for marriage and he isn’t quite as ready. Instead of moving in together or pushing him for marriage, just keep the status quo for now and let time handle everything. If you are patient, good things will come.

The only thing to be cautious about is that he says he wants to be with you forever yet doesn’t want to marry you any time soon. It could mean he likes what he can get out of the relationship but not really into you yet for the long term. I think there is a chance he may be simply saying what he thinks you want to hear. I think there is definitely a gap in how you feel about him and how he sees you.

I think the most important thing is to get on the same page. Its never good to have two people with separate level of expectations on what they want out of a relationship. If you were to move in with him, he may wait years to be married and during that time you may feel like you aren’t getting what you want from the arrangement. Likewise, if you were to marry now he might felt resentful that you pushed him to get married before he was ready.
 
What’s the name of that book? “He’s Just Not That Into You”?

I’ve had friends who had to practically beg/issue ultimatums to/etc their boyfriends to propose, and they are all divorced now. When a guy really intends to be with you forever, you know it. You don’t mention how long you have been together. If it’s one month, you’re the crazy one 😛 but if it’s a couple of years, he probably likes you enough but is stringing you along.
 
Marriage is a lot more than a “piece of paper” if the two honestly and truly mean it.

He’s afraid of commitment.

Everything’s there but the marriage…the sex, etc. To me, the most important thing is absent, though.
Other than marriage being a commitment and a sacrament marriage also offers legal protections that simply living together does not. If I had a dime for every time I’ve heard about a couple setting up a household while unmarried, one of them leaving, and the other being in a bad spot financially and emotionally I’d be rich. At least when a marriage ends there are legal responsibilities the parties must live up to. Alimony, a portion of retirement savings, responsibility to pay a portion of shared debts, etc. Not to mention that people die unexpectedly. If a couple is married, the surviving spouse has the ability to get their deceased spouses retirement and Social Security. Not so for a couple merely living together. What about incapacitation or a lengthy hospital stay? Married couples have more rights to make decisions for each other and even to visit longer than unmarried couples.
Living together and having sex before marriage is a mortal sin. I just thought someone should point that out. He must not be a very good Catholic if he’d ask you to compromise yourself that way.
Very true!
For a number of men, they want a sexual relationship and all the rest but without the other accompanying responsibilities.
A lot of women want the sexual relationship without the responsibility, too. The problem is that birth control is not 100% guaranteed (and is also a mortal sin), so sometimes those responsibilities happen anyway. Trust me, I have a Pill baby and a condom baby. It does happen. And then what? Would he stay and marry you out of obligation? Would he leave and you’d be on your own with a baby or two? Would he divorce you later because he wasn’t willing to marry, felt obligated to, and then wants out? Would he remind you every argument that he only married you because you got pregnant?

What if you didn’t get pregnant accidentally and he simply married you because he felt guilty about living together and not being married? Same results there, too. Him either leaving because marriage wasn’t what he wanted or throwing it in your face every argument.

Talk to him about his reasons for not being ready to marry and see if you two can work on resolving whatever issues are there. But don’t live with him until after you marry. If he wants a committed relationship then he needs to make a commitment.
 
He might want to consider this:

“…“…Yes, it is so true that it takes courage to form a family. It takes courage! And your question, young spouses, is linked to the question of vocation. What is marriage? It is a true and authentic vocation, as are the priesthood and the religious life. Two Christians who marry have recognized the call of the Lord in their own love story, the vocation to form one flesh and one life from two, male and female. And the Sacrament of Holy Matrimony envelops this love in the grace of God, it roots it in God himself. By this gift, and by the certainty of this call, you can continue on assured; you have nothing to fear; you can face everything together!
Let us think about our parents, about our grandparents and great grandparents: they married in much poorer conditions than our own. Some married during wartime or just after a war. Some like my own parents emigrated. Where did they find the strength? They found it in the certainty that the Lord was with them, that their families were blessed by God through the Sacrament of Matrimony, and that the mission of bringing children into the world and educating them is also blessed. With this assurance they overcame even the most difficult trials. These were simple certainties, but they were real; they were the pillars that supported their love. Their lives were not easy; there were problems, many, many problems. However, these simple assurances helped them to go forward. And they succeeded in having beautiful families, and in giving life and in raising their children.
Dear friends, this moral and spiritual foundation is necessary in order to build well in a lasting way! Today, this foundation is no longer guaranteed by family life and the social tradition. Indeed, the society in which you were raised favors individual rights rather than the family — these individual rights. It favors relationships that last until difficulties arise, and this is why it sometimes speaks about relationships between couples, within families and between spouses in a superficial and misleading way. It is enough to watch certain television programs to see these values on display! How many times parish priests — sometimes I myself also heard it — hear a couple that comes to get married say: “But you both know that marriage is for life?” “Ah, we love each other so much, but… we’ll stay together as long as the love lasts. When it ends, we’ll each go our separate way”. This is selfishness: when I feel like it, I’ll end the marriage and forget the “one flesh” that cannot be separated. It is risky to get married: it is risky! It is this egoism which threatens it, because we each have within us this possibility of a dual personality: the one that says, “I am free, I want this …” and the other which says, “I, me, to me, with me, for me …”. Selfishness always returns and does not know how to open up to others. The other difficulty is this culture of the temporary: it seems as though nothing is definitive. Everything is provisional. As I said before: love, as long as it lasts. I once heard a seminarian — a good person — say: “I want to become a priest, but for ten years. Then I’ll rethink it.” This is the culture of the temporary, and Jesus didn’t save us temporarily: he saved us definitively!
However, the Holy Spirit is always stirring up new answers to new needs!.. The imagination — if I may use that word — the imagination of the Holy Spirit is infinite but very practical! And so I wish to tell you to not be afraid to take definitive steps: do not be afraid to take them…Do not be afraid to take steps which are permanent, like getting married: deepen your love by respecting its seasons and expressions, pray, prepare yourselves well; and then trust that the Lord will not leave you alone! Let him come into your home like one of the family, He will always sustain you!..”

From remarks by Pope Francis in a meeting with young people of Umbria, at Assisi, Oct. 4, 2013
Complete text may be found at vatican.va/holy_father/francesco/speeches/papa-francesco_20131004_giovani-assisi_en.html
 
Note these specifics in the Holy Father’s advice:

*Do not be afraid to take steps which are permanent, like getting married: deepen your love by respecting its seasons and expressions, **pray, prepare yourselves well; and then trust *that the Lord will not leave you alone! Let him come into your home like one of the family, He will always sustain you!

A friend of mine who is a CPA said she thinks her male clients worry a lot more about the future than their wives do. If your boyfriend is hesitating because he is concerned about whether he can support a family, try to find him ways to get help to discern that. Sometimes that is fear talking, but OTOH sometimes it is prudence talking. Do not move in with him, though. If you are not ready for marriage and children, you are not ready to live in the same house.
 
Hi I’m new here, this will be my first time posting. My boyfriend and I (both of us Catholic) have been talking about marriage lately. We’ve been together over a year now and we both know that we want to be together forever. I’m ready to be married, but he says he’s not ready to be married yet (though he does want to marry). However he says he is ready for us to live together if I would want to move in. So my question is, if he’s ready for us to be living together, wouldn’t he be ready for us to be married?? The only things missing is commitment to one another and God, a ring, and a piece of paper saying we’re married.
I hope you’re not offended by my question but are you having sex with him already? If that were so, he may see living together more as a practical extension of what you already have rather than the step towards marriage.
 
So my question is, if he’s ready for us to be living together, wouldn’t he be ready for us to be married??
Not one bit. It means he is willing to take everything he can from you and not give anything back in return. Unless he is still a student, there is not reason to say ‘I want to marry you just not now’. After a year, a man knows whether or not he can spend the rest of his life with a woman and he if isn’t proposing when he knows it is important to you, it is because he knows you are not the one for him.
 
What’s the name of that book? “He’s Just Not That Into You”?

I’ve had friends who had to practically beg/issue ultimatums to/etc their boyfriends to propose, and they are all divorced now. When a guy really intends to be with you forever, you know it. You don’t mention how long you have been together. If it’s one month, you’re the crazy one 😛 but if it’s a couple of years, he probably likes you enough but is stringing you along.
I was in the position myself many years ago of begging, and wondering whether I should do the ultimatum thing. I wasted way too much time on Mr. Not Right. We weren’t sexually active but he got the benefit of having me for emotional support when it suited him, but making me feel like a fool for wanting a future. Pooh! :mad: It was not a fun place to be and I’ll never make that mistake again! :nope: I should’ve ditched him long before I did. :sad_yes: Those I’ve known who did get the guy with the ultimatum, I’m sure had to compromise in other ways and always wonder if the guy really loved them or just didn’t have the (male component parts) to be honest.
 
Lets take the spiritual and religious implications out of this for a second (because so many covered those bases fully) The IRS and The Morgue only recognize single and married. There is no box for “In a Relationship”, “In Love”, “Living together” or “Working On It”. If something happens to this man, you get nothing and depending on how his next of kin (assumably his parents) feel about you, you may not even be welcome at the services. Thats harsh but not rare, during my brief stint working in HR there were many girlfriends who were loved and cared for very much but have nothing to show for their time together. Its deeper than money, you would not be able to make arrangements for your beloved in the case something should occur, similarly if he should be in the hospital you will be unable to make decisions. In some states if a child or children come out of your union, the hoops you would have to jump through just to get their own father’s name on the birth certificate without the benefit of marriage is a chore.

Lets not forget that it is a rare woman who will not end up playing wife when living together. Do you really want to cook meals, wash clothes, nurse colds and illnesses etc with nothing to show for it? You will become resentful because unlike a woman who has no interest in being married, you want to be. You and he right now are not on the same page. The cure for that is not to give up whatever living arrangements you currently have to be where he is.
 
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