Go To Hell You Evil Doer

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christcnection1 said:
😃 hehe… I should hope not.

how after after you remember it’s Friday?
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Well nothing is a mortal sin if you do it unknowingly! So if you’ve forgotten it’s Friday and ate a burger then you’re fine.

IF it’s the rule that you must abstain from meat on that particular day and you deliberately ignore the rule, that IS a mortal sin.

And the intent simply has to be to disobey. Poor old Uzzah just wanted to stop the Ark from falling over! And Ananias and Sapphira just wanted to keep a bit of their hard-earned for themselves.
 
Catchy thread title. Have you ever thought about writing greeting cards?
 
cpayne said:
Catchy thread title. Have you ever thought about writing greeting cards?
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I think it’s meant to be on a t-shirt.

What are your thoughts about deliberately eating meat on Friday when you remember you shouldn’t as an issue of pride? Let’s see, the Church says I can’t but I don’t see why I shouldn’t so the Church must be wrong and I right, so I go ahead and do it.

I always figure that if I don’t understand why the Church teaches something, that the problem is in my understanding and not in what the Church teaches, so I study and pray and so far, the Church has always been right.
 
Mack_II said:
I think it’s meant to be on a t-shirt.

What are your thoughts about deliberately eating meat on Friday when you remember you shouldn’t as an issue of pride? Let’s see, the Church says I can’t but I don’t see why I shouldn’t so the Church must be wrong and I right, so I go ahead and do it.

I always figure that if I don’t understand why the Church teaches something, that the problem is in my understanding and not in what the Church teaches, so I study and pray and so far, the Church has always been right.
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It is postulated that the greatest sin is that of pride. It was likely Lucifer’s first sin.

Dan
 
christcnection1 said:
I have problem accepting a Church teaching, and I’m trying to gain some insight. First of all, I’m a new, but faithful Catholic. I’m even discerning the priesthood/religious life, and plan on doing two-years of missionary work with the Capuchin Franciscans in Papua New Guinea.
My understanding is that eating meat on a Friday during Lent is a mortal sin. I have a very difficult time accepting this. I can’t see how the Lord of compassion and mercy would fling someone into an eternal lake of fire for eating meat on a Friday during Lent. It seems totally ridiculous and unreasonable to me.
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Eeating meat on a Friday of Lent is grave matter*, not inherently, but due to the legislation of the Church. There’s nothing even inherently wrong with eating meat on a Friday but the Church can establish obligations and also establish the gravity of obligations – gravity can arise not only from the nature of things, but also by virtue of an enactment of the legislator (so the Church could if she wanted to make it a non-grave obligation) Anyway here is some documentation for you:

ewtn.com/library/PAPALDOC/P6PAEN.htm

jimmyakin.org/2004/04/meat_on_lenten_.html
Jimmy Akin:
A common question at this time of year is whether or not deliberately violating the law of abstinence is a mortal sin. It is. The relevant law is found in Paul VI’s 1966 apostolic constitution Paenitemini, which provides that:
Paul VI:
The time of Lent preserves its penitential character. The days of penitence to be observed under obligation through-out the Church are all Fridays and Ash Wednesday, that is to say the first days of “Grande Quaresima” (Great Lent), according to the diversity of the rite. Their substantial observance binds gravely
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[Norm II §1, emphasis added].

That the keeping of abstinence (and fast on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday) is part of the substantial observance of these days is evident from the fact that the second half of Norm II names this as the chief requirement of observing these days:
Paul VI:
Apart from the faculties referred to in VI and VIII regarding the manner of fulfilling the precept of penitence on such days, abstinence is to be observed on every Friday which does not fall on a day of obligation, while abstinence and fast are to be observed on Ash Wednesday or, according to local practice, on the first day of ‘Great Lent’ and on Good Friday [Norm II §2, emphasis added].
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Thus one must substantially observe the law of abstinence on such days, and the obligation to do so is a grave one, meaning that it satisfies the condition of grave matter required for mortal sin. If one knowingly and deliberately fails in this obligation then one has committed mortal sin.
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While in traditional Catholicism it wouldn’t be doubted that this matter is grave, by virtue of legislative act (not inherently), there is the theory of “fundamental option” which holds that mortal sin only occurs when a man orients his whole being away from the love of God. There’s some interesting discussion by “traditional” Catholics about in what senses the fundamental option theory is true and in what senses (or variations) it is not true. Here’s one piece that is good:

ewtn.com/library/ANSWERS/MORTSIN.htm

*I’m not sure whether it would be considered grave matter if there was consumption of only a miniscule amount of meat.
 
Biblical support for fasting on Fridays: Mark 2:20 says when the bridegroom is taken away, “then they will fast on that day.” King James says “in those days,” but in the Greek it’s singular (as in the NIV, NASB, NAB, RSV, NRSV, etc.). The bridegroom was “taken away” on a Friday. So Christians fast on that day.

Legitimate application of that verse or not?
 
Intent is everything. We should remember that everything should be done for the love of God. If we remove legalism and insert love then we might better grasp why our abstaining from meat is important. Will we go to hell?? It depends on the extent of our resistance to love. All mortal sin exhibits our selfish lack of love; which in essence is our lack of God, who is indeed infinite Love…God Bless…teachccd
 
Hello!

I am just going to say my opinion and understanding on this matter.
First of all, eating meat on a Friday is against the rules of the Church.
Next, I would say that avoiding meat especially during the Great Lent is very important. Meat is considered a more of a “luxury” product that causes one to desire more to satisfy the body.
If we think about it, monks (at least in orthodox church) do not eat meat, they only eat vegetables. That is because they learn how to care more about the soul rather than satisfying earthly pleasures.
Moreover, on the Friday before Easter day many people fast all day of food and water. That is because Jesus was crucified. It would be really inappropriate to eat meat to satisfy our body, rather than contemplating on Christ’s sufferings for us.
Lastly, I think not eating meat on Fridays is a good exercise for the soul. We learn to be obedient and to be less concerned with pleasing the body. And like others said: all the little things we do for our salvation matter alot in front of God.
 
Romans 13:8-9 - love fulfills the law and any other commandment there may be.

That said, I want God to know He can count on me to follow
whatever He says, regardless if I understand properly or agree.
If He sees I won’t even listen to the littlest thing, how can He
trust me with something bigger? The first thing I want God to
know about me is that I will listen, especially on an easy thing
like this. Plus, I’m always looking for a new way to make God
happy or honor Him. It’s fun.
 
I hope this helps…
We live in an area where there wasn’t too many Catholics and the KKK was active in NJ. Unfortunately, some of the residue still exists.

I am not originally from this area. I come from an area where we are proud to be Catholics.

So, it is Friday during lent and we went out to lunch at this place in town. I reminded my husband that it was Friday and no meat. We had to listen to" so…you are one of those Catlicks?". even people we knew and had gone to our wedding were putting down the Catholic Church…saying hurtful things like
Catholic weddings are long and talking about the scandals of our diocese when knowing my husband’s brother is a Catholic priest who is seriously ill with cancer. These people are our neighbors. We just left. That’s one of the reasons to eat no meat on Friday’s too.
 
As with any grave sin, terror of hell should not be one’s main motive of avoiding it. The Church calls this imperfect contritition. Love of God should be the main reason for avoiding any grave sin, whatever it may be. One should never despair at God’s mercy and if confession is not available, prayer to God for forgiveness combined with genuine sorrow for the sin committed is generally accepted as enough for salvation even up to the moment of death. Nevertheless, one should not be presumptuous and do something gravely against the moral laws of the faith.
 
christcnection1 said:
I have problem accepting a Church teaching, and I’m trying to gain some insight. First of all, I’m a new, but faithful Catholic. I’m even discerning the priesthood/religious life, and plan on doing two-years of missionary work with the Capuchin Franciscans in Papua New Guinea.

My understanding is that eating meat on a Friday during Lent is a mortal sin. I have a very difficult time accepting this. I can’t see how the Lord of compassion and mercy would fling someone into an eternal lake of fire for eating meat on a Friday during Lent. It seems totally ridiculous and unreasonable to me.

Let me also say that I think the practice of not eating meat on Friday is a great spiritual practice, just not a grave matter. I personally try to abstain from meat and fast every Friday; I take it seriously, but it’s born out of love, not some grave obligation.

I am having a terribly difficult time accepting that God would view eating meat on a Friday during Lent a grave matter. At worst, I see it as a venial sin, and the worst it would do to a soul after death is extend their stay in purgatory.

This is only partly an issue of the intellect for me. It’s primarily a “gut” issue. Please help me out.
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I think the following has bearing on your question:

**"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. **
**Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place. **Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do so will be called least in the kingdom of heaven. But whoever obeys and teaches these commandments will be called greatest in the kingdom of heaven. I tell you, unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter into the kingdom of heaven. "

I would put the issue of eating meat on Fridays of lent in the “law” category reather than the “righteousness” category. I think Jesus would also. He speaks elsewhere of the fact that we are not defiled by what enters into our mouths but by the actions that come out of us.

By not following the law we may be of some diminished stature in God’s kingom but at least we are in the kingdom.

Hope that helps

Jim
 
cpayne said:
Catchy thread title. Have you ever thought about writing greeting cards?
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It gets my vote for the:thumbsup: 👍 " Best Thread Title Since the Last Time".
cpayne said:
Biblical support for fasting on Fridays: Mark 2:20 says when the bridegroom is taken away, “then they will fast on that day.” King James says “in those days,” but in the Greek it’s singular (as in the NIV, NASB, NAB, RSV, NRSV, etc.). The bridegroom was “taken away” on a Friday. So Christians fast on that day.

Legitimate application of that verse or not?
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I think you sound like a 😉 Baptist.😃
 
Zooey said:
It gets my vote for the:thumbsup: 👍 " Best Thread Title Since the Last Time".

I think you sound like a 😉 Baptist.😃
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Ha! No, but I have an uncle who’s a Southern Baptist minister. That’s where I must get my exegetical skills.
 
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