God and knowledge

[edwest2]

Praise Darwin. Evolve beyond belief. The believers in this idea are here. God = no knowledge. Believing God was somehow involved in Creation creates no knowledge. Science is the way - the only way. Praise Science. Exalt the mind of man.

I’ll make it simple. Most institutions of higher learning in Europe and the United States were started by the Church or other religious organizations. Period. The fact that they’ve been infiltrated by anti-theists and their character subverted does not make that fact go away.

And I’ll ask the anti-theists this: Why do you post here? To criticize religion? It’s certainly not to educate but to call belief worthless and declare ‘science’ the new god.

Consider this: if the Atheist Technocracy takes over, only a priviledged few will be in charge and they will not have your best interests in mind.

Peace,
Ed

 

[hatsoff]

Praise Darwin. Evolve beyond belief. The believers in this idea are here. God = no knowledge. Believing God was somehow involved in Creation creates no knowledge. Science is the way - the only way. Praise Science. Exalt the mind of man.

Who holds to these “ideas”? Not I.

I’ll make it simple. Most institutions of higher learning in Europe and the United States were started by the Church or other religious organizations. Period. The fact that they’ve been infiltrated by anti-theists and their character subverted does not make that fact go away.

First of all, I highly doubt that is true. Where are your stats? How did you come to this conclusion? Or are you just guessing, as I suspect? My own university was founded by the state government.

Second, let’s suppose it is true. Great. So what?

And I’ll ask the anti-theists this: Why do you post here? To criticize religion? It’s certainly not to educate but to call belief worthless and declare ‘science’ the new god.

It’s most assuredly not the latter bit. But yes, I am here primarily to criticize religion—politely. However, I also hope to learn something of Catholic dogma. Already I have become more familiarized with Thomism, for example.

Consider this: if the Atheist Technocracy takes over, only a priviledged few will be in charge and they will not have your best interests in mind.

What in the world is the Atheist Technocracy?

On a positive note, I think your OP really captures the spirit of the creationist movement.

 

[edwest2]

Thank you for your reply. What is the creationist movement? I just want to let you know that I am not a card carrying member of any movement or political party. I am only trying to promote Church teaching and contrast that with the highly organized campaign going on against religious belief. A campaign that is going on here as well.

I am being told, for example, that in light of what some consider to be facts, I have no choice but to accept them. This worldview strongly conflicts with the Catholic view of creation and the identity of man. In a few cases, regardless of the number of explanations of the Catholic position, the statements are simply repeated over and over that certain scientific interpretations are true and must be accepted. A lack of acceptance on my part has resulted in attacks on the Bible, attacks on Christian beliefs and religious beliefs in general.

It makes me wonder why some posters don’t simply stop wasting their time with rank and file Catholics and simply bring their complaints to the attention of the Vatican.

Peace,
Ed

 

[edwest2]

Some background on the relationship of the Catholic Church with the university:

vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/cultr/documents/rc_pc_cultr_doc_22051994_presence_en.html

Peace,
Ed

 

[James_S_Saint]

Praise Darwin. Evolve beyond belief. The believers in this idea are here. God = no knowledge. Believing God was somehow involved in Creation creates no knowledge. Science is the way - the only way. Praise Science. Exalt the mind of man.

I’ll make it simple. Most institutions of higher learning in Europe and the United States were started by the Church or other religious organizations. Period. The fact that they’ve been infiltrated by anti-theists and their character subverted does not make that fact go away.

And I’ll ask the anti-theists this: Why do you post here? To criticize religion? It’s certainly not to educate but to call belief worthless and declare ‘science’ the new god.

Consider this: if the Atheist Technocracy takes over, only a priviledged few will be in charge and they will not have your best interests in mind.

As an outsider to ALL of the churches and their anti’s, I have to say that your report complies with my own observation over many years except for one small detail;

“Consider this: if the Atheist Technocracy takes over, only a privileged few will be in charge and they will not have your best interests in mind.”

Atheism is clearly an invented and designed “anti-Christ” religion. But they do all of what they accuse, thus they cannot realize that they are the programmed cult. So what do you do?

 

[Detales]

ew~The fact that they’ve been infiltrated by anti-theists and their character subverted does not make that fact go away. I would hazard to guess that for you the category “anti-theist” includes those who deliberately or not just don’t care, know better, or believe or know a God other than the anthropomorphic christianist god which is prophylactic to spiritual growth.

ew~Why do you post here? To criticize religion? It’s certainly not to educate but to call belief worthless and declare ‘science’ the new god. Speaking as someone who was considering becoming a priest at one time, and who was a distinctly well catechized and proselytizing RC, I post here in the hope of finding someone who has a spark of intellectual depth and honesty as a crack in their acquired religiosity or lack thereof. Religion, historically, is the corruption of original revelation. Original Revelation has been consistent and universally True in all times, places, and cultures independent of religion, education, economics, politics, gender, etc.

ew~Consider this: if the Atheist Technocracy takes over, only a privileged few will be in charge and they will not have your best interests in mind. Newsflash:::: That is already the case, even in the Church. Consider that movement of capitalism from the ownership of the means of production as machinery to the means of production as money itself. This is manifested in the economic horrors perpetrated by banks and corporations as outsourcing of costs, eg www.storyofstuff.com

ew~I am only trying to promote Church teaching and contrast that with the highly organized campaign going on against religious belief. Contrast is the stuff of drama. The more contrast, the more drama. Your contrasting is exactly the activity that keeps the other, polar, view alive. Good going, you will have a sustained fight for your whole life. The point of Original Revelations is to precipitate your awareness into a place of no contrast so that you can actually diffuse both your belief system and your reaction to what you believe others’ to be, so that you can actually thereby reduce conflict and drama, thus precipitating Peace. Unfortunately, the drama inherent in your stance is far more attractive to you than deflating belief, any belief, into the nothingness from which it came.

ew~This worldview strongly conflicts with the Catholic view of creation and the identity of man. So do other world views. They, including yours as a Catholic, are identical in that they are all views, not fact.

ew~A lack of acceptance on my part has resulted in attacks on the Bible, attacks on Christian beliefs and religious beliefs in general. It would be natural for you to interpret the modification of facts outside you acquired belief system as an attack. Until you gain a psycho-spiritual integrity that complety accounts for all data, this will remain the case and you will be hopelessly Catholic in your views. That is normal and natural; don’t feel bad or angry about it. Just enjoy, and it will pass.

James~*Atheism is clearly an invented and designed “anti-Christ” religion. But they do all of what they accuse, thus they cannot realize that they are the programmed cult. So what do you do? *Clearly “anti-Christ” to who? Atheists don’t distinguish between your version of an anthropomorphic god and other versions East or West. Grow up. Who said "It is great luck for leaders that men don’t think!’ ? It was Adolph Hitler. I bet he would have loved you.

 

[Leela]

And I’ll ask the anti-theists this: Why do you post here? To criticize religion? It’s certainly not to educate but to call belief worthless and declare ‘science’ the new god.

For one thing, I’m here to try to find out why the non-belief of others is so threatening to you. No one can enforce the view “that certain scientific interpretations are true and must be accepted.”

Relax. No one can steal your beliefs from you. There is no “highly organized campaign going on against religious belief” to match the highly organized campaign known as Christianity in support of belief. We don’t need such an organization since we have the Constitution to defend our right to not believe. Don’t worry. Atheists don’t get together every Sunday morning to plot against Ed West.

Best,
Leela

 

[Oreoracle]

Your usual pithy introductions and charming stereotypes aside (not to mention your lack of basic historical knowledge), I noticed an amusing threat:

Consider this: if the Atheist Technocracy takes over, only a priviledged few will be in charge and they will not have your best interests in mind

Gasp! Y-You mean the world will be like it is now?!? That’s terrible!

EDIT: Dang, I guess Detales beat me to the joke.

 

[Oreoracle]

Contrast is the stuff of drama. The more contrast, the more drama. Your contrasting is exactly the activity that keeps the other, polar, view alive. Good going, you will have a sustained fight for your whole life. The point of Original Revelations is to precipitate your awareness into a place of no contrast so that you can actually diffuse both your belief system and your reaction to what you believe others’ to be, so that you can actually thereby reduce conflict and drama, thus precipitating Peace. Unfortunately, the drama inherent in your stance is far more attractive to you than deflating belief, any belief, into the nothingness from which it came.

Beautifully said, Detales. I think most philosophies have more commonalities than differences. And the minds devising those philosophies are still more like each other than the philosophies they spawn. Philosophy and politics have the nasty habit of causing us to zoom in to inspect differences *and stay zoomed in *so that we can never see the big picture.

 

[AlbertBall]

Atheism is clearly an invented and designed “anti-Christ” religion.

eh?

 

[AlbertBall]

Praise Darwin. Evolve beyond belief. The believers in this idea are here. God = no knowledge. Believing God was somehow involved in Creation creates no knowledge. Science is the way - the only way. Praise Science. Exalt the mind of man.

I’ll make it simple. Most institutions of higher learning in Europe and the United States were started by the Church or other religious organizations. Period. The fact that they’ve been infiltrated by anti-theists and their character subverted does not make that fact go away.

And I’ll ask the anti-theists this: Why do you post here? To criticize religion? It’s certainly not to educate but to call belief worthless and declare ‘science’ the new god.

Consider this: if the Atheist Technocracy takes over, only a priviledged few will be in charge and they will not have your best interests in mind.

Peace,
Ed

Oh how i envy you an pity you at the same time.

 

[AlbertBall]

Also could you be so kind as to explain the difference between belief and knowledge. Thanks .

 

[Detales]

AlbertBall~*Also could you be so kind as to explain the difference between belief and knowledge. Thanks * Yes, that is a question I have, also. I don’t know if there is a search function on here that could be used to catalog all of the instances in these fora, thousands, likely, where religionists were asked to make exactly this distinction. One would almost believe (heh, heh) that there is a gene active in some that prevents the ability to differentiate between verifiable evidence, and the vague cloud of acquired world views, religious especial, psychosocial certainly, that constitute belief.

For my part I have never received an adequate answer to this frequently asked question, the one being questioned on this point usually leaving the “room” in a smoke screen of unresponsiveness that smells vaguely of frankincense. I really like frankincense, by the way, so resent it being used this way.

Hey Oreo, como esta?

 

[AlbertBall]

AlbertBall~*Also could you be so kind as to explain the difference between belief and knowledge. Thanks * Yes, that is a question I have, also. I don’t know if there is a search function on here that could be used to catalog all of the instances in these fora, thousands, likely, where religionists were asked to make exactly this distinction. One would almost believe (heh, heh) that there is a gene active in some that prevents the ability to differentiate between verifiable evidence, and the vague cloud of acquired world views, religious especial, psychosocial certainly, that constitute belief.

For my part I have never received an adequate answer to this frequently asked question, the one being questioned on this point usually leaving the “room” in a smoke screen of unresponsiveness that smells vaguely of frankincense. I really like frankincense, by the way, so resent it being used this way.

Hey Oreo, como esta?

Exactly… Haha i’m waiting for if they reply you REALLY REALLY believe something it makes it true …

everyone one should watch this video…

youtube.com/watch?v=80nhqGfN6t8

 

[Detales]

Excellent treatment, AB! Thanks. Looking forward to viewing theothers.

 

[Oreoracle]

Hey Oreo, como esta?

I’m doing well, thanks. I haven’t heard from Rob for quite a while, so I guess he’s either still on vacation or he’s busy. But it’s nice to see that you’re still active.

I notice that every time I read your posts they make more sense. I guess I’ve had a lot of time to digest what you guys have been discussing with me. Good luck getting others to understand it, though.

 

[Detales]

Rob is OK, and I owe him an e-mail. Good to see you on here.