God and Math

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My personal beliefs are rather complicated, but revolve around math and science more then a god figure. Actually, i’d say math and science ARE my god figures. I’m not Athiest exactly, since believe math and science are worthy of worship.

I just wanted to see what some other opinions on the relationship between math and god were.
 
“I Am Who Am” With these words God described himself to Moses. Think about what that means. He is that which is, i.e. existence itself. God is perfect, because only God exists. There can be nothing outside God.

Four aspects, the transendentals, can be used to describe all things: the One, the Good, the True, and the Beautiful. Because God is the fullness of everything, He is fully one, good, true, and beautiful.

We, however, do not contain the fullness of the transendentals. I, like you, am primarily a seeker of the truth. That does not mean we are not affected by the other transendentals (I find unity to be almost as important), God is Truth itself (or Himself). He is responsible for all the order that we see. Could any of that order have come of its own accord? Possibly, but not without the Laws of Physics. Tell me, how did those come about? We know that matter is not eternal, so there had to be a beginning (Big Bang).

I hope you’ll take a chance to look into Catholic theology. Obviously you’re at least considering at since you’re here. Hopefully you’ll take delight in the objective truths about God and about life that can be found in the Church’s teachings. Then you can go from worshipping the craft (math/science) to worshipping the craftsman (God).
 
If you like math, you’ll love the Guy who invented it! 😉
 
do we have multiple threads with the same title or did some of yesterday’s discussion get deleted? please stick to forum rules, it is very confusing for us old folks to follow multiple threads
 
A love of math is, in my opinion, a love of beauty, which is highly commendable. But we are persons and are designed to relate to other persons. Without that relationship, a person becomes dwarfed and twisted.

God is personal. As such, he is far more beautiful than mathematics, music, nature, or other things of exquisite beauty. As persons, our highest good is to relate to the highest person.
 
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Vydao:
My personal beliefs are rather complicated, but revolve around math and science more then a god figure. Actually, i’d say math and science ARE my god figures. I’m not Athiest exactly, since believe math and science are worthy of worship.

I just wanted to see what some other opinions on the relationship between math and god were.
I thought, judging from the title, that it would be about Allah’s inheritance math (fraction) which didn’t add up! 😃
 
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Ching_PBUH:
I thought, judging from the title, that it would be about Allah’s inheritance math (fraction) which didn’t add up! 😃
Allah loves men more than woman. 😦
 
I ask you like I ask myself before posting…what is my intention here? Is it to guide to the truth or is it to anger/upset others? If it is the latter than I try my hardest not to post…sometimes I’m unable to do so right away, and return to edit my post.

Please, if you have proof for your statement, open another thread and we will discuss it InshAllah (God willing).

O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). B]Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you]. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things). (The Holy Quran 49:13)
 
As a graduate math student, I can attest to the marvels of math, but it is very apparent, as it was to the majority of the great mathematicians and thinkers that only an all-knowing God could think this stuff up. There is no random chance in mathematics.

The more I study math, the more my belief in God is cemented.
 
In 1623 Galileo Galilei dedicated his book *Il saggiatore * (The Assayer) to Pope Urban VIII. This is from the book:
Philosophy is written in this grand book, the universe, which stands continually open to our gaze. But the book cannot be understood unless one first learns to comprehend the language and read the characters in which it is written. It is written in the language of mathematics, and its characters are triangles, circles, and other geometric figures without which it is humanly impossible to understand a single word of it; without these one is wandering in a dark labyrinth.
God created the universe and gave us the science of mathematics to discover it.

'thann
 
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Vydao:
My personal beliefs are rather complicated, but revolve around math and science more then a god figure. Actually, i’d say math and science ARE my god figures. I’m not Athiest exactly, since believe math and science are worthy of worship.

I just wanted to see what some other opinions on the relationship between math and god were.
I think it is through math that God allows us a glimpse of himself.

And Einstien, one of the most brilliant mathematicians in the world was not atheist, nor did he make math a god.
 
Maria

And Einstien, one of the most brilliant mathematicians in the world was not atheist, nor did he make math a god.

True, but let’s be fair to Einstein. He was not a Christian either, nor did he believe in personal relations between God and Man. If anything, like Pythagoras and Spinoza, he believed in a mathematical god of pure Intellect … you know (ahem), perhaps a god in whose image and likeness Einstein thought he himself was created.
 
How do you explain love with math and science? And how do you explain miracles? Not all things can be explained with math and science.

Consider two cases: God exists and God doesn’t exist.

If God exists and we believe in God (and behave accordingly), then we will be rewarded with eternal happiness. If we believe God doesn’t exist, then we will be condemned to eternal damnation.

If God doesn’t exist, and we believe in God, then we would have spent our small lifetime in selfless service to others. If we didn’t believe in God, then we would have spent our small lifetime building up knowledge, treasure, etc. that we won’t be able to use once we’re gone.

Therefore, it seems that the best thing for us, is to believe in God.

Why do you not believe in God?
 
I came across this link the other day searching for something else. I think it is a wonderful way of using the beauty man has created to glorify God to teach geometric shapes.

A very interesting use of Hagi Sophia, St Basils, and many others to help kids with shapes for math.

thesoundwave.com/mathproject2001/andy_m/index.htm
thesoundwave.com/mathproject2001/pat_j/index.htm
thesoundwave.com/mathproject2001/josh_b/index.htm
thesoundwave.com/mathproject2001/greg_p/index.htm

And many more interesting buildings and cathedrals. Such a neat idea, excellent resource for homeshoolers. Bravo to the creator!
Welcome to The Internet Mathematics Challenge!
thesoundwave.com/mathproject2001/
 
I can see myself in you, a couple of decades ago. But where did the laws of mathematics and science come from? Why does the universe have the rules it does? Why is there even a universe at all? And why can we comprehend and appreciate the laws of the universe, to the point of even feeling them worthy of worship?

Essentially you have two answers. Either all of this is “luck”, a random ordering of laws and matter and energy, or all of this is a design, an artwork, a creation. In which case, there is a Creator.

If you believe the former, as I did for a very long time, you need to believe in an almost unlimited series of lucky accidents. If you believe in a Creator, you only have to believe in one lucky accident. The odds are strongly in favor of the Creator. 🙂

And if you believe in a Creator rather than in an unlimited series of lucky accidents, you get the bonus that He loves you and the ones you love infinitely, and has offered you all eternal life with Him. The lucky accidents universe doesn’t give a fig about you or the ones you love, and offers you all only eventual oblivion, and that pretty quickly!
 
The number 3 had a mystical significance in ancient Pythagorian mathematics.

Likewise this is true in mystical Christian theology since 3 represents the Trinity, in whose image and likeness we were created (Genesis). Come to think of it, the foundation of our material being, the atoms, consist of three parts … proton, neutron, electron.

God loves the number 3.

Jesus, Mary and Joseph.

Three Wise Men.

Three denials of Peter.

Three crucified men.

Three days in the tomb.

Faith, Hope, and Charity.
Etc.
 
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Maria

And Einstien, one of the most brilliant mathematicians in the world was not atheist, nor did he make math a god.

True, but let’s be fair to Einstein. He was not a Christian either, nor did he believe in personal relations between God and Man. If anything, like Pythagoras and Spinoza, he believed in a mathematical god of pure Intellect … you know (ahem), perhaps a god in whose image and likeness Einstein thought he himself was created.
No, he was not a Christian. But the Catholic Church acknowledges that truth can be found outside of the Catholic Church.

And I think Einstein, through his math, caught a glimpse of God.

The problem is when people worship the creation, (nature, math, science, etc.) instead of the creator who can be seen in His creations.

God Bless,
Maria
 
Ok, I’m way behind on replying, so far so that I’m not going to bother doing it here. If anyone would like to discuss the matter further you can IM me at: childofthewyvern
 
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