God and natural disasters?

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What are your thoughts on this?

why create a world this way? does God intercede at all?

is it totally random?

does God use them for a purpose?

any other thoughts?
 
The answer that you are looking for is yes. He does use them, but as far as I know of from personal experience, it is his way of getting rid of his anger that the world causes through their sins. Haiti, China, Indionesia, and New Orleans for example, and soon to be…
 
The answer that you are looking for is yes. He does use them, but as far as I know of from personal experience, it is his way of getting rid of his anger that the world causes through their sins. Haiti, China, Indionesia, and New Orleans for example, and soon to be…
God has no anger to get rid of.
 
What are your thoughts on this?

why create a world this way? does God intercede at all?

is it totally random?

does God use them for a purpose?

any other thoughts?
Itullian:

Find Fr. Jean Baptiste Saint-Jure and his paper entitled, “Trustful Surrender to Divine Providence”. In it we are told, Nothing happens in the universe without God willing and allowing it. This statement must be taken absolutely of everything with the exception of sin. ‘Nothing occurs by chance in the whole course of our lives’ is the unanimous teaching of the Fathers and Doctors of the Church, ‘and God intervenes everywhere.’
All of this is either matter or we think it is. In either case, it is something that will decompose (or, we think it will) back into its former self. It will remain matter, just not the matter we’re used to seeing. In that process, humans may become entrapped. If we do, it is for a reason.

God bless,
jd
 
Homily for Luke 13:1-9

Given on Saturday October 23, 2010.

Catastrophes or accidents which take people’s lives constantly force people to ask, Why? or Why them? Why was President Kennedy shot in the prime of his career? Why did Princess Diana die so tragically at the age of 36? Why was Gandhi killed just when his country needed him most? Why did that young mother die giving birth to her child? Why did that young father die of cancer and leave behind a family struggling to survive? Why did my father die at the age of 66 while my mother lived to be 92?

In today’s gospel Jesus mentions two apparently recent incidents in which lives were lost. In one case, Pilate the Roman governor had some Galileans killed in the Temple precincts. Perhaps the Galileans had violated some Roman regulation about public order. In the other, eighteen people were killed when a tower in Siloam, inside the south-east section of Jerusalem’s wall, fell on top of them.

It seems that some people at the time were saying that this was a punishment of God on these people for moral wrongs they had done. Jesus disagrees. “Do you think they were more guilty than anyone else who lived in Jerusalem?” Jesus asks. “Certainly not!” he asserts.

In fact, he says, his hearers will all meet a similar fate unless they change their ways. The sins of the victims were not the cause of their death but they are certainly warnings to the rest of us to see if we are ready for such an eventuality. And he goes on to illustrate his meaning with a parable.

A man had a fig tree in his garden which did not produce fruit. Eventually he told the gardener to cut the tree down because it had not given fruit for three years in a row and it was only taking up space. However, the gardener urged that the tree be left for one more year and be given one more chance. In the meantime, he would hoe the ground and add fertiliser. If, after those efforts, there was still no fruit, let it be cut down.

The story can be linked to what Jesus has just said. In a sense the people he has been talking to are like fig trees that have not borne fruit. The three years mentioned in the story may refer to the length of Jesus’ own ministry. However, they still have a chance to turn their lives around, a chance which was not given to those who had died in those two incidents.

We, too, are being given a chance – For a day? A month? Several years? We have no idea. What is clear is that there is no time to waste; we have to start today. For God, the past is not what counts or the future but only the present. As long as I am with him NOW I have nothing to worry about.

From Fr. Doyle of the Irish Jesuits sacredspace.ie.
 
Theresa has already survived a year of crises,
and then something else happens…

**I made an accusing look up to Heaven again, much longer this time to show Him how mad I was. I let Him have it.
“What’s the purpose of this latest trial? Does it have a point? Didn’t I prove my courage last year? What more do you want from me?”
**
Later, when the crisis is over she tells her husband, “…I got angry with God. I asked him what the point of this was.”
“What did he say?”
“He said, ‘Look what you’ve done. You can do anything. Don’t let people down’”.
Theresa understands that God gives her the chance to do good things.
 
What are your thoughts on this?

why create a world this way? does God intercede at all?

is it totally random?

does God use them for a purpose?

any other thoughts?
  1. Natural disasters have natural causes which are essential for the existence of life.
  2. It is absurd to expect an accident-free world in which no one is ever hurt or killed.
  3. Sooner or later some one is bound to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
  4. Purposeless coincidences are inevitable in an immensely complex system.
  5. God intervenes but constant intervention would defeat the purpose of life.
  6. We would know we are being protected from harm and death.
  7. We wouldn’t be free to choose what to believe, how to live or who to love.
 
  1. Natural disasters have natural causes which are essential for the existence of life.
  2. It is absurd to expect an accident-free world in which no one is ever hurt or killed.
  3. Sooner or later some one is bound to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
  4. Purposeless coincidences are inevitable in an immensely complex system.
  5. God intervenes but constant intervention would defeat the purpose of life.
  6. We would know we are being protected from harm and death.
  7. We wouldn’t be free to choose what to believe, how to live or who to love.
  1. couldnt god think of a better way?
  2. true, but thousands or millions?
  3. ditto
    4.maybe not if designed differently?
    5.hmmmm?
  4. i dont think so, we’d find a way to explain it.?
  5. even the israelites with Moses SAW miracles and still were free not to believe?
 
http://www.cbs12.com/news/top-stories/stories/vid_1530.shtml

This happened in a town an hour away from me recently…

we on the Gulf Coast constantly pray for safety from hurricanes every year,

i can see how one would think God sends his wrath to us through natural disasters as humanity can not control nature…

but scripture time and again tells us how this is not so, we hear time and again how God is slow to anger and rich in kindness.

so then one naturally asks “why”, and to be fair God could spare humanity from natural disasters, but then again how would one know if He did or not ?

hopefully instead of getting angry at God when something horrible happens to us, be it a hurricane, lightning strike, what ever, we find the strength to not blame God and hate him, and pray for the strength to be willing to accept tragedy and turn it into an opprotunity.
 
since the church seems to be regarding A and E as a metaphor, hmmmm?
Adam and Eve were real people who started the human race. They were parents of all of mankind. Original sin is transmitted to each one of us because of them. That is why we are infected by this first sin, because we are from the line of Adam and Eve. This is church teaching.

“Revelation gives us the certainty of faith that the whole human history is marked by the original fault freely committed by our first parents.” CCC 390
 
What are your thoughts on this?

why create a world this way? does God intercede at all?

is it totally random?

does God use them for a purpose?

any other thoughts?
Before Adam and Eve sinned we know that they were in some kind of paradise. Life was good. Was the world free from natural disasters at that time? We don’t know. But it is taught that they were free from dying. So if they had occurred, they would somehow be protected from death by those disasters.

We do not know exactly all about the garden of paradise, but it was a place where Adam had control over it. He also had exceptional knowledge and an intelligent mind. He was given this to start with. With all his talent and ability, and his control over his passions, it would be difficult not to see that life would be very good for all his desendents as well as for himself. Adam and Eve must have been very happy. They had such a great future and a promise at the end of it to see God in all his glory forever.

However sin became their middle name and they lost the natural gifts as well as the supernatural gifts God gave to them in the beginning. They also lost control over animals and plants, and in addition maybe that is when the world also became violent as well.

St. Paul says that the whole world groans and waits for its newness. Maybe this is what he meant. That in the end of days, the beginning of a renewed universe, the world too will become once again beautiful and peaceful as it was in the beginning with Adam and Eve. All of the details we will only know when all of us arise to meet Christ in all his glory.

Just a thought.
 
1. Natural disasters have natural causes which are essential for the existence of life.
2. It is absurd to expect an accident-free world in which no one is ever hurt or killed.
3. Sooner or later some one is bound to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
4. Purposeless coincidences are inevitable in an immensely complex system.
5. God intervenes but constant intervention would defeat the purpose of life.
6. We would know we are being protected from harm and death.
7. We wouldn’t be free to choose what to believe, how to live or who to love.
Can you - and implement it?
  1. true, but thousands or millions?
  2. ditto
Why not?
4.maybe not if designed differently?
Such as?
?
  1. i dont think so, we’d find a way to explain it.?
How?
  1. even the israelites with Moses SAW miracles and still were free not to believe?
It wasn’t constant intervention.
 
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