God and satan

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Something is troubling me. With God being all-knowing and Him having known the end from the beginning why do you think He created satan knowing how much havoc & suffering he would give mankind?

Why did God create an angel He knew would rebel and turn on us?
 
Something is troubling me. With God being all-knowing and Him having known the end from the beginning why do you think He created satan knowing how much havoc & suffering he would give mankind?

Why did God create an angel He knew would rebel and turn on us?
Part of the Master Plan By God! Even the Demons obey!
 
Something is troubling me. With God being all-knowing and Him having known the end from the beginning why do you think He created satan knowing how much havoc & suffering he would give mankind?

Why did God create an angel He knew would rebel and turn on us?
There cannot be free will if we only have a choice for the good. If we lived in a perfect world, with no evidence of evil and no creature that epitomizes a total absence of the divine how could we ever choose to turn away from God?

The devil exists to give man a choice - if there was no evil before the fall of Adam then Adam would not have had a free choice in sinning as it would have been impossible for him to choose something he could not know beforehand. Genesis shows us that the snake was present in the garden as tempter, as an example of evil. Yes, God could have created man in a perfect world with no devil but he choose to offer us more than simple creature-hood, we are offered deification and for us to be able to accept or refuse such an offer there must first be something to choose other than God.
 
But I thought God was all good with NO evil in Him…but then how can He create evil?
God has no evil within him. Evil is the privation of good, not a force in it’s own right. God simply created a being that was capable of existing with an absence of grace.
 
But I thought God was all good with NO evil in Him…but then how can He create evil?
God did not create evil, he gave them free will.

When God created his angels he could have given them a will only to love and serve Him, however in his goodness he gave them the greatest gift, and the most dangerous: Free Will. The knowledge and ability to love or reject Him because they wanted to, not because they *had *to.

Knowing this, Satan and a portion of the angels chose to reject God and His love (why is the real eternal question). If you reject God, the only thing left in your life, even your immortal life, is emptiness. This lack of God is what we call “evil”.

There are a number of threads you can search on “why did God create people He knew would reject him” and the same logic applies, because God in His infinite grace chose to also bestow free will upon us.
 
http://payingattentiontothesky.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/satan.jpg?w=450&h=510

"Satan is a Hebrew term that means “the accuser.” The two terms — diabolos and satan — can be seen as the two complementary manifestations of the forces of delusion, despair, and violence. The diabolos sows discord by arousing mimetic passions and then exacerbating the social tensions and the psychological apprehensions that accompany such passions.

The diabolos produces all the psychosocial complications for which Rene Girard’s mimetic theory so ably accounts. The fundamental tool of the diabolos is what the author of the book of Wisdom called “the devil’s envy,” the mimetic incentives that generate the delusions and distractions of the social melodrama.

At the critical moment, when these passions have sown enough frenzy and reduced a society to pandemonium, the diabolos changes its modus operandi. The diabolos becomes the Satan. Suddenly, the accusing finger points, and a violent avalanche is set in motion, the end result of which is a pile of stones, a glorious memory, and the rudiments of yet another of the kingdoms of “this world.”

What Hamerton-Kelly calls the Generative Mimetic Scapegoating Mechanism — a synonym for diabolos/satan — “generates” such kingdoms, but if its spellbinding myths were ever shattered, “this generation” would have to account for all the blood it shed since the foundation of the world.

What the diabolos divides, satan unites, minus the victim that makes the union possible. It makes sense, then, to say that in the desert Jesus discovered that social division and social unanimity had the same source, and that it was demonic. By recognizing both the essential link between the diabolos and satan and the subtle difference in their roles, Jesus of the synoptic Gospels accomplished an unparalleled anthropological breakthrough, and much of his ministry can be understood in light of it."

More from an essay by Gil Bailie on who Satan, the devil and the Girardian theory that explains the violence they provoke in man here:

payingattentiontothesky.com/2010/02/15/diabolos-and-satan/

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Grace & Peace!

I love Rene Girard.

Just saying.

Under the Mercy,
Mark

All is Grace and Mercy! Deo Gratias!
 
I love Rene Girard.
http://payingattentiontothesky.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/girard.jpg?w=450&h=294

I found this great little essay by Fr. Edward Oakes the other day (reading selections here) that summarizes a lot of Girard’s theories and gives some great background on this great Catholic scholar.

For those who wish to learn more of his theories of violence, check out the category “Understanding Violence.” I think Girard almost proves a cultural theory of original sin and the basis of the Jesus’ ministry.
 
Let’s look at an example. Since I don’t know if you are a parent or not, let’s pretend that you are. Which would you prefer a child that loves you and chooses to obey you due to love of you plus the desire to maintain a happy relationship with you or a robot that has no choice? If there was no evil in this world, how would we ever have the opportunity to love God and choose him over our own desires or worldly attractions? Once it was explained to me in that manner it put the question to rest for me; hope it does the same for you 👍
 
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