God and space.

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God is everywhere present in created space. (De fide.)

http://www.catholicfirst.com/thefaith/churchdocuments/dogmas.cfm

People say God is spaceless.
“People” say a lot of things. Sometimes its the truth.
How is this notion compatible with catholic dogma?
I don’t know. What is meant by “spaceless”?
How can God be both spaceless and present in created space?
Depends on what “spaceless” and “present” mean in this context.
 
I did some reasearch and found out that St Aquinas held that God is present in created space in three ways by sustaining, having power over and knowing created objects.

Is this the current Catholic position?
 
my opinion:

the concept of space and time are human limitations.
they don’t really exist as we know it.

god has no limitations, thus he is spaceless and timeless.
he has no need for those concepts. they don’t exist to him.
 
I think that Aquinas’s formulation is still accepted.

This sort of issue can be a bit problematic. There are those of the Agnostic persausion who will demand that the believer ‘show him god’ as though he is a star that could be seen, perhaps with a telescope. Even Fulton Sheen had to warn us that we shouldn’t think of the acension like a rocket launch, with Christ moving further from us in a physical sense, passing the orbit of the moon and planets.

But when discussing God’s presence in created reality, it’s wise to understand that while he permeates creation, he also exceeds it.

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I think that Aquinas’s formulation is still accepted.

This sort of issue can be a bit problematic. There are those of the Agnostic persausion who will demand that the believer ‘show him god’ as though he is a star that could be seen, perhaps with a telescope. Even Fulton Sheen had to warn us that we shouldn’t think of the acension like a rocket launch, with Christ moving further from us in a physical sense, passing the orbit of the moon and planets.

But when discussing God’s presence in created reality, it’s wise to understand that while he permeates creation, he also exceeds it.

This is central to why we think of God in masculine terms. Most religions with a female deity come to think of the material of creation as being the very stuff of the goddess who created it. And if we [and everything else, animate or otherwise] are of the same flesh as the goddess, then we are essentially equal in worth and dignity.
While the ‘everything is sacred’ routine dovetails nicely with today’s real and laudable concern to safeguard the environment, in practice a world where everything is sacred is very much like a world where nothing is sacred-- sacrifice a bushel of corn, sacrifice a bull, sacrifice a baby-- all pretty much the same. A difference in degree at most, not a difference in kind.

Sorry, I seem to have gotten a bit off the track…
Sam, i think you are of those who looked too deeply
into books written my man and not enough into nature,
written by God.

Religions (much older than christianity) with a female deity
usually are refering to nature (e.g. Mother Nature). And yes,
we are of the same flesh as her. Might i remind you we are
all made of the same “stuffs” as animals and plants. We
even share 90% of our genes with apes and mice. It doesn’t
take a theologist to see that we bleed just like them.

In fact, it was the animals who taught us how to survive.
Animals taught human beings how to hunt, wear fur, find water,
even fly. Don’t be so fast to put us above nature. It was not
created for us, but rather with us.
 
my opinion:

the concept of space and time are human limitations.
they don’t really exist as we know it.

god has no limitations, thus he is spaceless and timeless.
he has no need for those concepts. they don’t exist to him.

👍

Another suggestive idea is of God as heavy - C.S. Lewis uses it very creatively, perhaps taking it from the Hebrew, in which kabodh can mean:
  • wealth
  • weight
  • glory
    Which suggests that where God’s Glory is, time & space do not exist at all. From an Acosmist POV, God is the only Reality there is - & this fits nicely with what St. Thomas says. So Saints are in fact “heavies” 🙂
 
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